Kara Swisher · 41:52
I think they're just letting people... And, interestingly, you know, I think the doge thing is just fucking nonsense. It's just ridiculous. And, you know, you can't really, there's not gonna be a government department, which is kind of ridiculous, and you need to be created by... With congress' authorization. They're not wasting their time on that, and they're not... They're gonna cut what they want. Right? So one of the things that's interesting is that he's been down in Mar A Lago, and as I said, was an issue, everyone's now reporting how irritating he is. And NBC News quoted a source saying, Elon is behaving as if he's co president. People are irritated by him, the guests that won't leave. I think this is just... They're frittering away with with a clear and definitive win, and I'm not sure why they're doing it. Suicidal nature? I don't know. I'm not... I have no idea.
Scott Galloway · 42:43
I don't know. I do think that the appointment of the Bass Pro Shop swimmer guy as head of US Fish and Wildlife Service makes sense. I know.
Kara Swisher · 42:50
I mean, just
Scott Galloway · 42:53
It's... Oh, and Roman Roy will be the new deputy administrator of NASA. Yeah. Yeah. I just don't I don't get... Hannibal Lecter is the new secretary of health and human services. I don't I don't get... By the way, I'm I'm still on BuzzFeed right now.
Kara Swisher · 43:07
Kristi Noem, what a laughable, ridiculous personality she is. They're all Fox News people. It's
Scott Galloway · 43:13
like You know who I like, though, who's now the new senate majority leader is Thune. Thune.
Kara Swisher · 43:19
He's very reasonable.
Scott Galloway · 43:20
I like him. I think he's reasonable. And not only
Kara Swisher · 43:23
He that pushes back on Trump.
Scott Galloway · 43:24
But And I that. He's very handsome, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 43:27
Yeah. You like a hand... Did you go out for drinks with him?
Scott Galloway · 43:29
I don't know if he'd be up for impromptu drinks with me and George Hahn. I'll try, but I'm not sure.
Kara Swisher · 43:35
Yeah. Alright. I'm gonna give I'm gonna give you a word of the day. It's called cactusocracy, government by the least suitable or competent citizens of the states, a state or society governed by the least suitable or competent citizens. It's... The modern regime is at once a plutocracy and a cactus ocracy. That is the word of the day here at Pivot.
Scott Galloway · 43:56
Okay. No joke. I heard that word an hour ago. Scott Burns, who's the showrunner and the writer on this this show I'm working on, said, was talking about rebranding the Democratic Party, and someone suggested cachistocracy. And he's like, are you crazy? No one's gonna... No one can spell that word. Anyway, I... No joke. I feel like I should throw salt over my shoulder or whatever it is you do when you're when you're, I don't know, superstitious. But I heard that word, no joke, ninety minutes ago, kekastocracy.
Kara Swisher · 44:26
It's the word of the day. It's the word of the week. Well, we'll see what happens. Alright. Let's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about Blue Sky's big week.
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Kara Swisher · 46:47
Scott, we're back with our second big story. Ex competitor Blue Sky has gained over 1,200,000 new users in the past week following the election. Users has been announcing their exits from eggs due to Elon's Musk support of Donald Trump, but also a change in terms of service, which we talked about earlier this week, which means you can only sue Elon in this dumbass Texas area. One of, those users is our friend Don Lemon. Let's listen to his announcement.
Speaker · 47:12
I once believed that it was a place for honest debate and discussion, transparency, and free speech, but I now feel it does not serve that purpose. In addition, starting this Friday, November 15, X is implementing new terms of service, which among other things states that, quote, all disputes be brought exclusively in the US district court for the Northern District Of Texas or state courts located in Tarrant County, Texas, end quote.
Scott Galloway · 47:39
Who is that again?
Kara Swisher · 47:40
Don Don Lemon.
Scott Galloway · 47:41
Don Lemon. Was Di Lemon.
Kara Swisher · 47:43
Yeah. You didn't invite him last night. He's another handsome man.
Scott Galloway · 47:45
I'm intimidated by Don. Don always bitches at me when he hears about something that's cool and says, you didn't invite me. And then I invite him. He's like, I'm sorry. I'm busy.
Kara Swisher · 47:52
Oh, now he's gonna know. Now he's gonna know.
Scott Galloway · 47:54
He wants to be invited, he doesn't wanna say yes.
Kara Swisher · 47:56
Oh, I see. He didn't even try. He didn't even reach out. Anyway, he's talking about what we've talked about last week. This is something. But what's interesting is the departures. And, you know, despite the huge jump in use, Blue Sky is still... I I I I I had a account on there, and I I like it. It's quite good. I'm still also on Threads, which I also like too. And Threads is really killing it with numbers in the close to to 275,000,000. Right now, Blue Sky is, 15,200,000 users, while Threads has 275,000,000, and X has 600,000,000. I think some... It's an interesting... I like that there's competition. I don't know what to say. I like the service. It's quite good. It's free. It's run by, you know, very calm people, it seems. Reporters love Blue Sky. My man in particular shows up at cool bar, and I'm at the Cheesecake Factory over at Threads. I like Threads. As some as some users leave ads, advertising agencies are reportedly expecting some advertisers to return to the platform for political leverage given Musk's closeness to Trump. I think that's not gonna last. It's not effective as an advertising platform. You know? And that... What a way to get ads, like, because people are scared of you. And by the way, over at Meta, they plan to introduce ads. You knew this was gonna happen early next year. So, Scott, if you're in advertising deciding where to spend money as a business versus anything else... Versus a cactusocracy, which of these platforms do you spend on? And and they don't have advertising on Blue Sky, I believe. I think that's correct.
Scott Galloway · 49:27
So I know nothing about Blue Sky. I'm not on it other other than George Hahn, who's really gone social, said, you need a presence on Blue Sky. And I trust your judgment, but I'm not on... Are you on Blue Sky?
Kara Swisher · 49:36
Yes. I am.
Scott Galloway · 49:37
And can you describe for the listeners out there what what is it? Why do you like it? What's different about it?
Kara Swisher · 49:43
Because they have different things. Like, it's, with Threads, you get weird suggestions of who to look at. It doesn't have, you know, in order of time, you know, it doesn't do that. So it's... You you... You're always seeing things that are days old. It's... They defocus news and politics, although I get a lot of it. My my feed on threads is quite vibrant. Amanda looked at mine versus hers, and hers was, like, a lot of, like, you know, come ons and weird, you know, edge edge lordy kind of stuff. Not edge lordy, more like marketing kind of stuff. It's more like Facebook is, I guess, versus the the way Twitter used to be, I guess that would be. And blue sky's cool. They're very funny. I enjoy it very much. Although on threads, I really like the foods. There's a lot of food videos and planting plants videos that I like. It's a little more like Instagram. I I like them both, and they're... I like them differently. It's like liking... Like she said, it's like a cool bar in Brooklyn versus a Cheesecake Factory, and I like a Cheesecake Factory. So I don't I don't have a problem with it. Some people might. So I think they're both really very good platforms. Obviously, Blue Sky is much smaller, but it's cooler. It's definitely cooler. And... But it's not snotty either, I would say. I like it. But where would you go if you're an av... You wouldn't go on X. It's it's literally... Go over there. It is a Nazi porn bar. There's so much white supremacy. It's so nasty. It's... The the Rick Wilson left Twitter. Polled by... Guardian left Twitter. It's just useless as a marketing platform, as an advertising platform, as a place not to feel sick to your stomach about humanity, essentially.
Scott Galloway · 51:19
Yeah. There's no doubt about it. But you said this. So from an advertiser standpoint, you gotta bet on Meta. Meta's people talk about the algorithms as it relates to the consumer and serving you up content and putting you literally in your own reality. And I I think Reels has gotten better and better. The the gap between TikTok and Reels, I think, is narrowing in terms of Reels. I can't get over how good Instagram and Reels are right now. I think they're doing... I think they're
Kara Swisher · 51:46
I agree.
Scott Galloway · 51:47
Think they're doing a great job. I think Threads is fantastic. The thing that doesn't get enough attention is the ad stack that Facebook has assembled. I mean, the things they can do for advertisers and how efficiently they can do it for you. And they basically... The biggest brands have the advantage of being able to hire media agencies to plan and allocate their media spend. And this has always been kind of L'Oreal's and Unilever's core competence was always media spend. And that is, it's not that their creative was any better, I would argue it wasn't that their products were any better, but they had the smartest people figuring out how to spend their marketing dollars, their 12 or 15% of top line revenue, more efficiently, more elegantly, more strategically than any other firm. Because they have these amazing media planning and buying agencies. Now essentially, what the ad stack at Facebook has been able to do is like, okay, you're a small business doing $10,000,000 a year selling beard oil, Jack Dorsey, we can give you kind of the media planning capabilities and targeting of a L'Oreal or a Unilever with our ad stack. And so when they turn that ad stack on advertisers who wanna now run it across threads and with how robust the information, real time information, and sentiment, and activity is gonna be, people literally tell you what they're doing on threads. I think it's... If you're betting on advertising dollars and efficiency and who wins and who gets the most ad dollars per person, I would think threads is immediately gonna... The first quarter that threads really get serious about monetization, threads will be a bigger business than Twitter or X overnight. The thing you pointed out, though, is that quite frankly, that's not Musk's probably primary objective. He has bought the ultimate propaganda machine to serve his aims that's not costing him a lot of money because he fired 80% of the people. So it it... To use... And you pointed this out to me. To use ad revenue or business fundamentals as the metric for whether this $44,000,000,000 acquisition by Musk made any sense, by the way, which was financed three quarters of it or two thirds of it was financed by other people's money or debt from
Kara Swisher · 53:55
Who aren't gonna complain.
Scott Galloway · 53:57
Yeah. Who all wanna be in the SpaceX IPO IPO or all wanna, like, hang... Have proximity to Elon Musk. You pointed out that I've been looking at the wrong metrics. Oh my god. This is a stupid business. He's lost so much money. No. It's increased his sphere of influence, and that's worth 10% of his net worth. So, like... But in terms of your question around where does an advertiser go, an advertiser's gonna go where everyone goes reluctantly, and that is to Meta.
Kara Swisher · 54:24
Yep. That's correct. A 100%. Meta's gonna benefit from this. And let me just say, Instagram is a very good product. Threats is a very good product. I know people don't have... Journalists always, like, bellyache, but for most people, it's actually pretty enjoyable. They never think of it like a Love it. Like a regular person. It's very enjoyable, and so is Instagram. And it's well done. I always find something to look at. I don't feel bad after using it. I don't feel bad. It's very... I like... It's like I... It's replaced, I don't know, television to me, I guess. I I watch a lot less television. I don't watch very specifically, you know, streaming. And so I I... Journalists get like, there's no politics here. There's no this. I'm like, shut the fuck up. Like, you're not the user they're looking at. Right? You're not the user they're thinking. So they put in a very good effort here, and I see... I know exactly what their issues are, and I... They should have something where the timeline is much more current. Right? It's... But let me just tell you kids, all you journalists, it's not Twitter. I'm sorry. Your girlfriend became a a junkie. I don't know what to tell you. You can't... It's it's never happening again. Twitter's gone, and it's... And you need to move on. You need to move on with your life. And and and by the way, blue sky is lovely. Have to say it's funny. I'm... I... There's there's there's a little too many lecture lecture people on threads, like, when... The the the comments. All I'm saying is great to have choices, and I like that there's different businesses, and you can have different things. I've always thought that the dissipation of social media was a good thing, not a bad thing. And advertisers aren't really gonna move back to x. They... Maybe they'll buy $30 just to have their name there so Linda Yaccarino can swat around New York and pretend she's an actual CEO. And so whatever. Like, whatever. That's my that's my rant. Thank you very much. In any case, I I think you should go on blue sky. I do.
Scott Galloway · 56:11
Yeah. I should start it, but just some numbers. According to a report released by Cantor, a net 26% of marketers, one in four, plan to decrease their spending on x in 2025. And then Blue Sky is up now at 15,000,000. Threads is now at 275,000,000. I mean, it's
Kara Swisher · 56:30
It's gonna catch x in seconds.
Scott Galloway · 56:32
Yeah. Although, I will say Twitter still... I'm... I haven't been on Twitter in two years. It does still seem to
Kara Swisher · 56:39
Attract news.
Scott Galloway · 56:40
You know, inspire a lot of water cooler conversation. I still get a ton of text messages with links to an ex an ex tweet or whatever it is, and I have to write back, I'm not on X. I can't see this. Can you send me a screenshot? It it does hold still a lot of what I'd call
Kara Swisher · 56:56
because of journalists.
Scott Galloway · 56:56
And and the other thing that's sort of sad about what's happened here, and it's happening everywhere, is I would argue Twitter... I mean, Twitter's just gone red pill, and I would argue threads is pretty blue pill. Because if I put out a tweet saying saying, an American hero in a picture of Biden, he'll get 2,000 likes. And if I say, we shoulda had a competition, not a coronation, my feed is filled with, look. Either sign up for your PBS subscription or commit Harry Carey, but you don't understand the assignment. I think threads
Kara Swisher · 57:26
is Yeah. They don't like argument.
Scott Galloway · 57:28
Not an argument. Discussion. Threads is very left. The thing I like about threads and the thing I especially love about LinkedIn is the vibe is just less ugly. It's less angry. I don't know if it's fewer bots or there's fewer trolls, but I don't have some, like, little dick failed venture capitalist tweeting about me 450 times on threads because I made the... You know, I committed the the crime against humanity of saying his shitty portfolio companies were were not worth anything.
Kara Swisher · 58:00
How is that Keith your boy? Yeah. That's
Scott Galloway · 58:03
Keith. No. It's not Keith. It's someone it's someone who's who's who's anyways, it doesn't matter. I I... Now I'm turning into fucking Twitter. Anyways, but threads is a little more... People push back. I still get all these bots who are out there. I don't know if it's a GRU or CCP just trying to start a fight in my in my feed saying stupid things with a dog picture and 22 followers, but there's less of that on threads. Is. Threads so far
Kara Swisher · 58:27
Twitter always had that, by the way. Twitter always had that for years and years. It's just a question of what's an enjoyable user experience. And I do think it's just die... It's dying. It's clearly dying. And people who I never... I keep... Just get off of it. You'll feel better. I've had... I agree there's a lot going on there, but I think it's in the specific areas, and it's not a pleasant place to be. And a lot more people I thought would never come off are off. And then once you go off, you're like, why was I there? I can find this information on blue sky. I can find it on x. I can find it on blank.
Scott Galloway · 58:56
But you can just real quickly. You you can see an environment where he lets Trump fold true social into Twitter. And in exchange, he says, all government agencies have to release all data, including information on when you're getting your Social Security check or everything through x. And so you can see now the full weight
Kara Swisher · 59:16
Cachistocracy.
Scott Galloway · 59:17
Well, they're... A 100%. A 100%. So... And that's where we are. The the the markets... I'm being redundant. The market should move based on the consumer economy, not on the expectations of a kleptocrat.
Kara Swisher · 59:29
Right. So it was a... Actually, that would be kleptocracy. Anyway, they're all bad words. Anyway, one more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 1:00:49
Okay, Scott. Let's hear our predictions except the fact that you'll probably go on blue sky. What's your prediction?
Scott Galloway · 1:00:54
So just a couple quick ones. I've always been fascinated by the fact that all these local... Do you ever watch local
Kara Swisher · 1:01:03
news? Sometimes. Not really.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:06
Yeah. If you ever want a throwback, if you wanna know what it's like to be 80, just watch local news. And I would describe
Kara Swisher · 1:01:12
Hey, Jim. What's up with the weather? That kind
Scott Galloway · 1:01:14
of We could have hail the size of golf balls.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:16
Killer bees. It could happen to you.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:18
Yeah. It's it's a mix between an older guy that has a grandfatherly comfort and a hot young woman who is still waiting to be on the Today show. They basically hemorrhage money or make no money for twenty months, and they get to underpay their talent because everyone's hoping to get elevated to, you know, Brian Williams' old seat at NBC News. They don't make any money, or they make very little money, the talent. And then for four months, every twenty four months, they triple or quintuple their ad rates, and they just get totally this tsunami of cash from elections. Because the general conventional wisdom, which is no longer that wise anymore, is that old people vote, and this is the place where you can reach a ton of old people in a local area for either the local congressional race, a ballot initiative. So a lot of smart companies, I think including Hearst, went and bought a bunch of local TV news stations and said, this might be a shitty business, but four months... Every twenty four months, it's an unbelievable business. What I believe is gonna happen is that that... Those good times and that unearned income is about to come to an end, and I think you're gonna see a lot of that capital flow to the new arbiter who get... Who who gets elected, and that is podcasts. And I know I'm talking... We're talking our own book here, but you're about to see local TV stations start to reflect the economics that foots to the actual value of these companies. And this
Kara Swisher · 1:02:45
Oh, are we gonna have to read Matt Gaetz ads? Not doing it.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:48
I think political advertising is gonna is gonna wash over podcasts based on what happened in this election to the same extent it happens when you watch the local news. And then my just second real quick prediction is these tariffs are not gonna happen at nearly the scale that, Trump is threatening because you're gonna see, given that Trump is a lame duck president, given that a lot of Republicans do have a business background, and I do think a lot of them understand economics, are gonna decide to go out on a limb and say, if you wanna increase the price of 88% of the toys under the Christmas tree by 60%, I am not down with that, and I have concerns. Republicans
Kara Swisher · 1:03:29
Yes. They all have their line in the sand, don't they? And it's usually a financial one.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:33
It's money. Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:34
Do you know what you know what a a very prominent Republican told me who's like a fake Trumper, like, pretends to like him and hates him behind the scenes? I said I said, are you gonna put up with this craziness? And he goes, we only need him for two more years. Literally. I was like, it was so sinister. It was so sinister, Scott. I was like, what? They're like, we only need him for two more years. I was like, oh, good gods. Poor Trump in some weird way. I mean, not really. I don't care.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:59
But but this is how tariffs work. Have you noticed Mexico has already announced reciprocal tariffs if Trump does anything along the lines of what he's threatening? They're like, okay. If you wanna put... Mexico and Canada are now our biggest trading partners. They've now replaced China. Trade is still a function of proximity. Mexico is a fantastic trading partner, they said, look. If you're gonna if you're gonna put 20, 40, 60% tariff on our products, guess what, boss? We're gonna do the same thing. Our consumers are gonna see prices go up. Your consumers are gonna see prices go up. It's just... When I first moved to New York, I was bored, and I used to do yoga, which was fine. I did it to What? There are a few things I'm worse at than yoga, but I like the vibe. It helped with stress, and there was a lot of hot women. But I also thought, alright. But I need to hit something. So I started boxing, and my trainer, who I'm paying, who's like, you should enter this tournament. You're pretty good at what you go... Do. You have good hand speed. So I'm six two, a hundred ninety. And when you enter a six two, one ninety, this fun little boxing tournament at a gym, you end up finding... Fighting a guy who's five nine and literally looks like Mike Tyson. And all I remember was I've got out there, and the next thing I remember... Literally, the next thing I remember is a bright light. And it was because I was on my back staring up at bright light.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:13
I don't even remember I could beat you up.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:15
I don't even remember him taking his fist back to throw a punch. And I don't know if for the viewers at home, see how my nose see how my nose goes to the right? That's my souvenir for my one boxing tournament. My nose goes permanently to the right.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:31
Oh, I wish. Oh, I wish you could go back in time. I'd love to
Scott Galloway · 1:05:34
see that. Is the fatal flaw in strategy or when people are trying to determine a strategy, and that is they assume in business that their competitors are a speed bag and don't hit back. I'm gonna place 60% tariffs on China. Well, guess what? China is not a speed bag. It will hit you back. And they too will go, fuck you, boss. We're putting 60% tariffs on everything that comes into China. And by the way, everyone from Estee Lauder to North Face, you're gonna take away Chinese consumer revenue from these companies?
Kara Swisher · 1:06:10
You know, Alibaba. A lot of US products go to China via Alibaba. Like like, honestly, we have... We... There's a lot of businesses here in this country.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:19
The only place we're selling Buicks is China. I mean, China China loves American brands. They love Ralph Lauren. They love they love our beauty products. They love Estee Lauder products. Beauty... Anyways, Starbucks? Starbucks
Kara Swisher · 1:06:35
Can I ask you a separate question? RFK. Like, the... He's the last crazy on the train... On the on the clown train. You know, I would imagine he gets pushed back from the mayonnaise groups, I think, seed oils. I was like, he's gonna get Trump's gonna get a call from the mayonnaise people, and they're gonna be, like, stand down on him. Like, you know? And in that way, you vaguely are like, well, he's right. Mayonnaise is bad for you. That's true.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:58
He is literally the definition of sweet and savory in the sense that, occasionally, I hear three or five minutes from RFK, and I think this guy is fantastic. Let let him tell you about the food industrial complex and what this shitty food is doing for our kids. And you're like, you know what? This guy is a leader. I I think it's... When he talks about the environment, he is really good. Quite frank... When he talks about Israel, I think he is fantastic. It's when he
Kara Swisher · 1:07:28
comes too far down the RFK train, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:30
But then we stop at the vaccine station, and he says the best thing you can do for a new mother who has a baby is come up next to her and whisper, don't get her vaccinated. And you're like, what?
Kara Swisher · 1:07:42
He's so crazy. He brings the whole crazy with him. He doesn't... It does not... He brings his whole self to work, and that's the problem. I mean, I think that it's very good to focus. I'd rather have Michelle Obama do it by let's all eat salads, but let me just tell you
Scott Galloway · 1:07:55
I heard she's not up for anything in the Trump administration.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:57
Speaking of people punching back, do you think the mayonnaise people aren't gonna punch back? Do you think the pharmaceutical people... Do you think the people that don't own... And Scott... And I call it this, the diabetic industrial complex isn't gonna punch frigging... They're not they're not speedbags either. And in fact, they are the person who knocked you out, Scott. Right? So that's the that's the problem he's gonna have with RFK.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:19
Yeah. I don't know how much money they gave, but it's interesting. I mean, granted, we're lowering the bar so forward. So so... But, like, for example, I really did not want Mitt Romney or w to be president. I really thought these would be bad presidents. Looking back
Kara Swisher · 1:08:33
Oh my god. They look like
Scott Galloway · 1:08:34
I think senator Romney seems like a wonderful president.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:38
Yeah. I know. It's... Our our expectations are so alright. We're... We have to end soon, but I have one short predictions now. I would dearly love Kamala Harris to run for governor of California for 2026. Gavin Newsom gets termed out. She would drive Trump crazy in those last two years because the power of California, I think it's the fourth or fifth biggest economy now. In charge of California would be spectacular. It would be... Because, by the way, California is on the return. Like, the the... I gotta say San Francisco. You know, I always say this, but all these cities are are starting to see openings of stores. You're starting to see restaurants. San Francisco's elected Daniel Murray as as mayor. Things are turning around, including in New York, by the way. New York is as lively as can be.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:21
New York didn't need to be turned around. New York... New York
Kara Swisher · 1:09:24
I know. But it had it had its moment that it went through the sad. It went through the sad for a little bit. It did. I'm just saying her running California, if they start to really address, which they have been the homeless problems, the fentanyl problems, I think her being governor would be sweet, sweet revenge in a lot of ways because that's a powerful position in this country, the governor of California.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:44
I don't know. I'm I'm gonna go off from the assignment. I wonder if her political career's over, and she's gonna go be the head... The chair of a private equity firm and just make bank. I don't think she's... If I'm vice president Harris, why wouldn't she go be, like, chairman of the Carlyle Group, make a lot of money, and just enjoy her life? She might...
Kara Swisher · 1:10:02
She wants to not for two years. It's not for... She could do that. She could do both. Because I do think she's got another punch in her speaking of
Scott Galloway · 1:10:08
But to what end? California is the most ungovernable nation. It's the fifth largest economy in the world with a lot of special interest groups that make it impossible.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:16
I like the storyline. I... You're right. You're right. I just like the storyline.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:19
I wouldn't be surprised, Kara, if her... Okay. And this is what I think her next stop is. I think under the next democratic president, she becomes a supreme court justice. I think that is what her
Kara Swisher · 1:10:29
political future is. That could be. Make some money until then. And then
Scott Galloway · 1:10:33
Does she really wanna run another campaign? What if she loses?
Kara Swisher · 1:10:36
I I...
Scott Galloway · 1:10:36
If I were her, I wouldn't wanna subject myself to that bullshit
Kara Swisher · 1:10:39
I don't think she'd lose. I think people have a lot of affection for her. Anyway, just an interesting little idea to think about. That's why I like it. You know why I like us versus cable news? I like us because we consider everything. We have problems. We discuss them. We have issues. We talk about them.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:54
Sort of. We're a little bit biased. We... We're a little bit biased ish.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:58
I know. But we kinda... I think we like each other more recently. I've just... I have I great affection for you recently. I don't know why.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:04
I appreciate that. I need that. Hold that thought. Well, whatever it is I'm doing, could you please tell me so I could do more of it?
Kara Swisher · 1:11:09
We had a rough time over the summer, but I feel much better. This. Anyway
Scott Galloway · 1:11:13
Well, you came to your senses.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:14
No. I did not. You did. Came to
Scott Galloway · 1:11:16
your senses.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:16
No. It's not true. You came to your senses. Anyway, once again, fuck you.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:20
You stopped abusing whatever meth you were you were doing in the closet. Whatever.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:25
And and I made... And you made my career. I got it. People come up to me and say, can Scott stop saying that? I said, no. Just let him say it because it makes him feel better.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:32
Oh, yeah. You're turning into Trump.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 1:11:34
People say. Sir? People Okay. We gotta go first. If we wanna hear from you, send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. This is gold, by the way. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 And now listeners, time for this week's threads poll. We may put it on blue sky if Sky goes over there. The question this week is, who is the worst pick so far? Representative Matt Gaetz for attorney general. I can't even say that out loud without laughing. Senator Marco Rubio for secretary of state, Fox News host Pete Hegseth, who's such a douche nozzle for sec... Go watch some of his stupid videos for secretary of defense. He wears those dumb glasses that, like, douche nozzle men wear, those those weird... Anyway. And Elon Musk and Vivek Ramoswani for, government efficiency. Find us on threads at pivot podcast official to vote, and we'll be doing another call in show soon. We love those. Submit your voice mails with questions you'd like to ask us live on air, and let us know where to reach you. Okay, Scott. Elsewhere in the Kara and Scott Multiverse this week on this week's Prophecy Market, Scott, you and Ed spoke with Josh Brown, cofounder and CEO of Ritholtz Wealth Management, about the accuracy of the prediction markets.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:43
Super impressive guy.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:46
Bitcoin hitting an all time high and advice to people who are concerned about a second Trump term. Let's listen really briefly.
Speaker · 1:12:52
Spend the next four years, put your head down, make fucking money, focus on how you can improve your own life, and the pendulum will swing back. And if you're horrified by some of the things like the overturning of Roe v Wade or the way we're gonna see very cruel deportations of of immigrants. Like, if you're horrified by those things, and rightly you should be, the wealthier you are, the more opportunity you will have to do something about it. Screaming on Twitter, crying into a TikTok, all that does is make the people on the other side, feel even more emboldened. My advice is arm yourself with money. It is the only way to make change. You you don't have to like that what I'm saying is true. You just have to accept it because everyone else has.
Kara Swisher · 1:13:44
Wow. Is he a brother from another mother? Jesus. That's Scott Galloway with a He and I
Scott Galloway · 1:13:49
are the... Yeah. Wow. We're of like minds. Wow. Yeah. We're of like minds.
Kara Swisher · 1:13:52
That's amazing.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:52
He and his partner, Barry Ritholtz, both listen to our show. And by the way
Kara Swisher · 1:13:56
up there.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:57
They're they're such Long Island. They are. They're like the best of Long
Kara Swisher · 1:14:01
I'm a... I bet
Scott Galloway · 1:14:02
they're the best. Who, like, have a Trans Am in their front parking lot and throw a throw a beer at you when you're on your way to high school, and then on your way back, they invite you in for your first bong load. They're, like, such
Kara Swisher · 1:14:14
Trans Am.
Scott Galloway · 1:14:15
Good guys. They're such Long Island men. They are. And they're super smart. By the way, they have 5,000,000,000 under management in their business.
Kara Swisher · 1:14:21
Very funny. That's real... I love that. That's really good. Anyway, go listen to it. Before we go, happy birthday to our best friend, George Hahn, who Scott went out with us. Jeehaw. Who is sexy years old today. I don't know how old he is, but he looks fantastic. Happy birthday, George. Happy birthday. And by the way, I'm gonna put out a happy birthday. My son, Saul, turns three on the day this publishes. Oh, nice. Saul, let me just tell you.
Scott Galloway · 1:14:43
Wow. That's been three years? Let me see. You had him you had him when you were 73. That makes you... Wait. What's saying?
Kara Swisher · 1:14:49
04/25/1976. Anyway, happy birthday, Saul. Speaking of balls out kids, he is one of them. I'll tell you. He's like, let's go. And we're gonna have an exciting birthday party for you this weekend, and I love you. Okay. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot. Read us out, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:05
Today's show is produced by Lara Nayman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Intertaud engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows, Mia Savario, and Dan Shulan. Nishat Kerouwah is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to PIVOT New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown all things tech and business breaking new secretary of the interior, David Hasselhoff.
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