Kara Swisher · 16:43
Make money and stop stop complaining and and go back to your massage chair immediately kind of thing.
Scott Galloway · 16:49
Yeah. Become a journalist. Run from there.
Kara Swisher · 16:52
That's right. That's what I'm saying, for example. Yeah. But even at journal... Even at companies, if you complain too much. I used to complain a lot about things at The Wall Street Journal. I can tell you they didn't like it too much.
Scott Galloway · 17:02
Yeah. But I don't... I just don't think that's I don't think that's surprising, and I don't think I don't think that's gonna change. And I think that's the world we live in, and that's part of our economic model. And it sucks to be a grown up.
Kara Swisher · 17:11
I thought you're Breanne of Tarth. Breanne of Tarth wouldn't say this. She would go in with a Oh
Scott Galloway · 17:15
my god. That's unfair. You're right.
Kara Swisher · 17:18
You know what?
Scott Galloway · 17:18
You're right.
Kara Swisher · 17:19
You're not Breanne of Tarth. You're like,
Scott Galloway · 17:20
I don't know. Of truth. In the name of the mother.
Kara Swisher · 17:22
Who's the guy who owns all the the the the the whorehouses? The lay... The guy. What's his name?
Scott Galloway · 17:27
Oh, Littlefinger?
Kara Swisher · 17:29
Little. You're Littlefinger. That's who you are right now. That's all I'm saying. Oh. Sorry. Listen. Now we're talking.
Scott Galloway · 17:34
Now we're talking my language.
Kara Swisher · 17:35
We're gonna take a quick ad break. When we get back, we're gonna have wins and fails and predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 18:55
We're here with Scott Galloway who's in Florida. I'm Kara Swisher. I'm in Washington, DC. This morning, I was interviewing, Julia Engwyn from the markup or not from the markup. She got fired as editor in chief before the thing even launched and we did a really, really good podcast on what she thinks happened. Obviously, they think it didn't happen in the opposite way and it's gonna be really interesting because the funders seem to be taking her side or at least looking over it very carefully. But they had a breakup between the founders, before the thing. This this was supposed to be data journalism, and Julie Anglin's a very well known and well respected using data to do journalism about the tech industry. She's done some great pieces about how Facebook, for example, racial... Does targeting your own racial lines and things like that. So it was an interesting podcast this morning. I think it's a win and a fail, that she did it and then, and that they they fired her. I think it's a... It'll be really interesting what happens. We had we had made her a win before, this markup thing that they were gonna do this, this data journalism thing. So we'll see. It's hard to be a media company these days, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 20:01
I don't know. I think it's pretty hard to sell this as compelling. I'm bored listening to it, Kara. What are we talking about? Seriously, what are we talking about? Data journalism? What?
Kara Swisher · 20:09
Oh, you know what? It is... You aren't literally... You just need like a shiny object. What do you like? Who do you like watching?
Scott Galloway · 20:16
You know what I like? Vitamin water, Chipotle, Netflix, Cialis, and what else? And cannabis.
Kara Swisher · 20:22
I'm Boom the Five Food not even gonna speak to you anymore. I think you're gonna have to go. Like, anyway, that was a fail, I think. And my win and then we'll go to yours was George Conway again with DerangedDonald hashtag.
Scott Galloway · 20:35
You love him. You love George.
Kara Swisher · 20:37
I don't love him. I I have a a complex feelings about him. But I do think he's very funny on Twitter, and I think he's using it beautifully. And so he started the hashtag derangedDonald, I think it's just it's catching on. I have to say, I I hadn't even thought of it. It was demented Donald. There was, you know, dorky Donald. Whatever. Anyway, it's working perfectly, his Donald thing. And I think it's
Scott Galloway · 20:59
You know what George Conway is?
Kara Swisher · 21:00
What? What is he? Tell me.
Scott Galloway · 21:02
George Conway is the Melania Trump of DC. Both of them are fairly unimpressive people, but when they stand next to their spouse they seem amazing.
Kara Swisher · 21:12
Oh, well, okay. He's pretty funny. He's pretty funny.
Scott Galloway · 21:15
No. He is funny,
Kara Swisher · 21:16
but there's a lot funky ones on
Scott Galloway · 21:18
Twitter, but we think he's fascinating because he stands next to his wife and we're like, wow. What a neat neat decent guy.
Kara Swisher · 21:25
Yeah. That's true. But I don't know. And it's more than decent. He's being really quite.
Scott Galloway · 21:28
Invite him to code. We should roll with
Kara Swisher · 21:30
that guy. I have texted him. I have DM'd him. I'm trying to get him to do a... Everything. George Conway, please, please. I would I would love to talk to you about your use of Twitter, and I'd be happy to talk about other topics too. Anyway... So win for me. Anyway, I'll keep trying. Anyway, go ahead. Wins and loses.
Scott Galloway · 21:48
So I mentioned one of my wins, Bob Iger. I think he's showing a lot of courage and kind of saying things that's on everyone's mind, but sort of a different win. I got off the couch this past weekend and I went and saw my first Broadway show in a while. I took my boys to see King Kong and it was wonderful. And I looked around and the thing that really kind of struck me was you have an orchestra of live musicians not something streamed off of Spotify. You have actors who are and actresses and dancers who are part of a union probably making not a great wage but a living wage and ushers that are part of a union and I thought you know this is just great entertainment. It's not about scale. It's not about a few people sequestering billions of dollars. It's about an outstanding medium that is supporting the middle class and creativity and a bunch of kids who grew growing up probably thought you know I'm different right. You just see a lot of people on stage and you think all right that kid probably got a lot of shit when he or she was in junior high school and they found their way to New York and they're doing something inspiring. So I just felt great about getting off the couch, turning off Netflix and watching my kids just in awe of what these guys, these people were able to do on stage. And it was really, it was just sort of a nice joyous dad thing. So my win is Broadway and their approach to labor, their approach to wages. Anyway, a brief moment of inspiration outside of Netflix or HBO.
Kara Swisher · 23:15
Mhmm. Alright. Tip with Bobbi Bobbi. Bobbi owns everything now in entertainment. Like, right? He's pretty... And now Marvel's opening with this movie. You know, it'll be an enormous moneymaker. He's sort of got all... Got everything. He's got every... And they bought Fox. He's got every piece of the... At least the entertainment pie. Or he's got all the good ones No. He's seems like.
Scott Galloway · 23:32
You just literally rolled over my King Kong. You didn't even hear it.
Kara Swisher · 23:35
I heard your King
Scott Galloway · 23:36
You didn't even say...
Kara Swisher · 23:37
I don't like those big Broadway things. I didn't wanna insult your love of that. That's fine. I like the small shows which are now dying because those big giant shows roll through Broadway, but it's okay. I like the small shows.
Scott Galloway · 23:47
You wanna talk about giant? They put this literally this gorilla on stage and you could hear this thing's breath. It was incredible. Anyway, yeah, little little cute shows off off off off Broadway.
Kara Swisher · 23:57
No. No. I I like the big ones.
Scott Galloway · 23:59
You and I are doing an Off Broadway show.
Kara Swisher · 24:01
We are? Oh my gosh. Guitar.
Scott Galloway · 24:04
She's a lesbian journalist. He's an angry depressed professor with erectile dysfunction, and their wacky neighbor is Evan Spiegel. Come on. You'd buy tickets for that.
Kara Swisher · 24:15
I don't think so.
Scott Galloway · 24:16
You'd buy tickets for that.
Kara Swisher · 24:17
Sad. That's a sad play.
Scott Galloway · 24:20
Alright. Fails.
Kara Swisher · 24:21
Sounds like... Sounds very bad. Sounds like
Scott Galloway · 24:24
That's like Showtime four. Showtime one, there's Showtime two, and there's Showtime four.
Kara Swisher · 24:28
Giant overwhelming Broadway show. What's your fail?
— Predictions segment begins —
Scott Galloway · 24:33
My fail seriously is Yeah. And this is goes back to a prediction is the board of, Tesla. Yeah. I mean, do you realize Elon Musk again committed... Okay. But hold on. He's committed market manipulation again. He announced a million autonomous cars within a year, is his way of saying, my business makes no fucking sense, so I'm gonna try and create a distraction and talk about something else, which by the way is not only an exaggeration, it's a lie. It is physically impossible for a million autonomous cars to be on the road within a year from Tesla. And what this is is a terrible head fake trying to say don't look at my core business, I've got to invent something else. And his board is so clearly out to lunch that they don't realize the SEC is about to make this market manipulation exhibit b. This board is asleep at the switch and is gonna cost shareholders huge when it becomes clear there's no truth, there's no veracity of this statement, and the SEC is about to go gangster on this guy.
Kara Swisher · 25:31
Right. This is a prediction and a fail at the same time.
Scott Galloway · 25:35
Yeah. But I still have other predictions. What are
Kara Swisher · 25:36
your predictions? No. Don't have predictions. I... Well, go ahead. Go for it. I think that's interesting. I mean, I I I I... I'm not gonna comment on that. Move along. Go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 25:45
So so... Look. We've... Just to revisit, I wanna do a better job of holding ourselves accountable. I predicted that Twitter and Snap were gonna decline dramatically, and I was wrong. They both reported earnings and numbers and they seem to be figuring it out. I just... You look at the numbers and there's no denying that these firms are doing well.
Kara Swisher · 26:03
Yep. Except for that closed door meeting with Donald Trump. It sounded hellish.
Scott Galloway · 26:08
We also we also predicted we also predicted that Facebook... I don't know if you remember this. I predicted when Facebook was at one fifty nine, it would be 200 by the end of the year. Yep. It went down to one thirty nine, and you gave me a little bit of shit for that. And now it's back towards 200. I think Facebook shows no signs of of of letting up. And then my... But my big prediction is that by the end of this year, a Facebook executive is detained and arrested, and it's on foreign soil. Oh, okay. Rest of the world
Kara Swisher · 26:37
What part of the world?
Scott Galloway · 26:38
I think the rest of the world has not lost the script, and they realize that the government is supposed to be a counter
Kara Swisher · 26:43
a good one.
Scott Galloway · 26:44
You know, a a countervailing force to private, influence. And I think the rest of the world is is... We're fed up. I think the rest of the world is literally throwing up in their mouth.
Kara Swisher · 26:55
Yeah. Alright. You know that to a Google exec. Wasn't there a... There was outstanding arrest warrants for some Google execs in Italy and Germany a couple years ago. So... And then, it was it was quite dicey. I remember talking to Google and and others about it. What what country? What country for the Facebook you say?
Scott Galloway · 27:11
Oh, I have no idea. Although, I think the country that started the Elizabeth Warren geopolitically, and that is their kind of the intellectual leader, is Britain. If I were Mark Zuckerberg, I would not be flying my my Gulfstream six fifty extended range plane over anywhere near British airspace because I think they will escort it down and put cuffs on the guy.
Kara Swisher · 27:30
Oh, wow. That's interesting. You know, they they had, they had... They've they've wanted him there a lot, and there's been a lot of a lot of controversy of him not appearing to their committees and everything there.
Scott Galloway · 27:41
We have the CEO of one of the largest companies in the world and kind of the object of our affection and, you know, the the kind of the Jesus Christ of innovation and the thing we point to, and the CEO of that company can't appear, you know, in front of parliament of an ally for fear that he might be arrested. That that... That's literally where we are.
Kara Swisher · 27:58
You think that's why? Because he... Or he just doesn't wanna go? He will
Scott Galloway · 28:02
be arrested? Think the answer is yes. I think it's his... I think he'd rather do other things and I think probably his legal counsel who now, know, is is, again, the enhanced interrogation lawyer is probably saying no, you probably should, you know, see Man U play in the Premier League some other time. We don't need to be in Britain for a while.
Kara Swisher · 28:25
Okay. That's interesting.
Scott Galloway · 28:26
We'll see.
Kara Swisher · 28:26
And and then, I, I... We saw Pinterest and Zoom go out and all and did okay. They did pretty good. They didn't go down. And we obviously are about to see Uber going out, which we'll talk about in the next few weeks. I think it's the next two weeks it'll be going out. And, it'll be interesting if people buy their their their story of freight and Eats and other things when they... They're facing, you know, these existential issues around drivers and pricing and things like that, which... And apparently, there'll be a thousand. But how how many cars... A million cars did he say that on the road? Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 28:57
Should say. Tesla said that there was gonna be a million autonomous cars. But the Uber IPO, I call it the I call it, you know, it's so nice to see the lords in America taking revenge on the surfs finally. It's so nice to see the lords getting theirs finally. Finally. So, yeah, the 22 or whatever it is, the 18,000 people at at Uber, again, sequestering a $120,000,000,000 in value from the four and a million drivers. But, anyway
Kara Swisher · 29:23
so glad. The lords. Well, you will see.
Scott Galloway · 29:25
I'm versus surfs IPO. I want... That's my new that's my new talk track. Lords verse... The lords take revenge on the surfs, finally.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 29:33
We're back to Game of Thrones somehow, but let's not stay there. I'm interviewing the mayor of San Francisco, the actual mayor of San Francisco, London Breed, on Monday there in San Francisco. So that should be an interesting question. There's all kinds of stuff around techies and money and the idea of... There's a there's a possibility... Introduced an IPO tax that people will pay 1.5% of their stock. Something... I forgot. I I have to look at it more closely before I talk to on, it was introduced in the in the city council. The idea of paying more for these people who have all these things because of the, the the impact on the city in terms... I think probably the answer to all of it is more affordable housing, but, but they, but including homelessness, including everything. I do think, that'll be an interesting discussion with her.
Scott Galloway · 30:21
Where's Benioff on that?
Kara Swisher · 30:22
I don't know. I gotta call him. I gotta call him. He's in Hawaii right now, I think, or somewhere. Whatever. He's probably watching Game of Thrones too. By the way, Elon Musk likes Game of Thrones just like you, just so you know.
Scott Galloway · 30:32
Oh, that hurts. That's a low blow. That's a low blow.
Kara Swisher · 30:36
He loves it. He loves it.
Scott Galloway · 30:38
Oh my
Kara Swisher · 30:38
gosh. In any case, Scott, enjoy your time at Boynton Beach. I will be talking to you, I think, from San Francisco next week. From San Francisco. Yes. I will. I'll you how that went. And, enjoy yourself, and I will see you soon. Where are you going this week?
Scott Galloway · 30:52
I don't know. The only thing I know that's happening this week is season eight episode three. Other than that, haven't thought of any.
Kara Swisher · 30:58
Yeah. I also have a
Scott Galloway · 30:59
podcast with I'm down in Florida. I'm down in Florida.
Kara Swisher · 31:01
Good. We also have a podcast with Sam Harris. You gotta help me with that.
Scott Galloway · 31:04
Yeah. He's great. Good stuff.
Kara Swisher · 31:06
Sam Harris. Yeah. I know. We'll see how that goes. So I'd love any suggestions. Anyway, Rebecca Sinanis produces his show. Nishat Kerwa is the executive producer. Thanks also to Eric Johnson. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week, more of a breakdown of all things tech and business. If you like what you heard, please subscribe, rate, and review Pivot on Apple Podcasts.
