Scott Galloway · 51:10
Probably a big deal in the election. We know that bodily autonomy is likely gonna be a big issue. I think the two biggest issues that'll determine the president or have an impact on the presidential race that we're not talking about are, one, Ross Burrow and Ralph Nader elected Bill Clinton and George Bush respectively. And I don't think we're talking enough about RFK junior. Whatever happens with RFK is probably gonna determine who the next president is. And we just don't like to admit it.
Kara Swisher · 51:42
No. He's up to double digits in some states.
Scott Galloway · 51:44
Yeah. He's he's in the teens. So whoever he draws from Yeah. Is going to lose.
Kara Swisher · 51:51
Fair point.
Scott Galloway · 51:52
There's no reason there is no reason why Bill Clinton, an unknown governor from Arkansas, should have won against an incumbent president who was actually fairly popular. But Perot pulled from Bush, and that's why he had 18% and something like, you know, 11 to seven.
Kara Swisher · 52:10
I miss him. Ross.
Scott Galloway · 52:12
Hi. How you doing?
Kara Swisher · 52:13
I talked to him a bunch of times. I really enjoyed every time I talked to him.
Scott Galloway · 52:17
Yeah. My favorite my favorite stat about Ross was cafeteria, he would always say that people were supposed to call him Ross, but his senior executives that reported to him were told to call him mister Perot. Anyways... But no. In the cafeteria. Call him Ross. Call him Ross. Anyways, interesting character. Yeah. I think RFK is... Not RFK himself. And by the way, he's the guest on Bill Maher, which I'm going on tomorrow.
Kara Swisher · 52:45
Who is?
Scott Galloway · 52:46
RFK junior. What?
Kara Swisher · 52:47
Yeah. Oh my god.
Scott Galloway · 52:49
I'm curious if he's gonna be on the overtime panel with me and Don Lemon.
Kara Swisher · 52:52
Oh, I'm sure he is. Oh, Scott. I cannot wait.
Scott Galloway · 52:56
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I'm gonna bring a fucking vaccine, and I'm gonna jump at his arm. I'm... You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna take a vaccine live on air. I'm gonna say, oh, guess what? I've decided I don't have my head up my ass. Kink into a vaccine.
Kara Swisher · 53:11
Can you please make some trouble there? That is good trouble. I want you to make some trouble there.
Scott Galloway · 53:16
Anyways, I doubt I doubt he's gonna... I wonder if he'll be on the overtime panel. We'll see.
Kara Swisher · 53:19
He's not gonna get away. You're gonna... That's a small room there at Bill Maher. You're running into him. That is happening.
Scott Galloway · 53:24
I wanna meet his wife. I think his wife is really... She seems really nice
Kara Swisher · 53:27
to Hines. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 53:28
Yeah. Anyways... And then the other thing we're not talking as much about is that in every... Pretty much every election, we look back and we go, this medium absolutely had a disproportionate impact with Kennedy in television, with with Obama and Google, with, Trump and Facebook. This is the TikTok election. And I think whoever... So the the legislation against TikTok, I agree with you. No impact. Having said that, TikTok itself and specifically whoever is most deft in their use of TikTok
Kara Swisher · 53:59
But Biden's staying on TikTok, just so you know, with security measures in place. Just just to be clear, he's not coming off of it.
Scott Galloway · 54:06
But whoever behind the scenes is spending money, manipulating, weaponizing, figuring out that algorithm to the greatest use that TikTok... This is the TikTok election, Kara. It's going to be whoever masters
Kara Swisher · 54:22
And reels. I would think reels too.
Scott Galloway · 54:23
Yes. Call it video. But that's the impact it's gonna have. It's not gonna be, oh, well, they're banning TikTok. I'm not working for... I mean, fucking Trump wanted to carve it up and give it to his Republican donors, and now he he didn't like it until he likes it. I I don't know.
Kara Swisher · 54:38
Yeah. No. It's not gonna give him... Get him one vote from a young person. Think maybe one. Like... But I... Again, these issues are gonna be what exactly what he said, the third party and also the use of it. I do think abortion and immigration are the obvious too that are... And the two that are gonna sort of fight it out. Crime is sort of pulled back a little bit. I don't think these protests will be that much, but Gaza certainly will... Or Israel.
Scott Galloway · 55:01
You do think Gaza is gonna play a role in the election?
Kara Swisher · 55:04
I don't know. I don't know if it's gonna get, you know, things will calm down. Like, I think we're in such a... Speaking of, like, the way we live, we're in such a next news story cycle. Like, it's fast. Things are... Things don't hold. Things don't stay with people the way they used to. I do think abortion and immigration do. Think people are thinking about them.
Scott Galloway · 55:22
I agree.
Kara Swisher · 55:23
I think... And I think abortion's a lot more powerful than you think. And I do think this Harvey Weinstein thing will remind women what a pig Donald Trump is with women, and the fact that that rapists get away with it, and we can't do what we want with our bodies. And, you know, they just they just... In Arizona, they're getting rid of that 1864 law. I think the house passed it, now the senate has to. Still... It's very... It's a very good issue for Democrats. That's for sure. Anyway, we'll see. Do you have anything else, Scott?
Scott Galloway · 55:55
No. I just wanted to point out that the Republicans have softened their stance in Arizona and across elections. Yep. But be clear, folks. This is the equivalent of a Supreme Court nominee saying that this is, you know, this is decided precedent and lying. And then the moment they're in office or in the seat deciding to overturn Roe v Wade, These hard white Republicans running... Or at... Which is any Republican right now on this issue, the moment they're elected, just be clear, you're gonna get what you you're gonna get what you voted for, and you're voting for a lack of access to family planning.
Kara Swisher · 56:31
If Donald Trump has a federal abortion bill in front of him, he will sign it. A 100%. 100 fucking... And he will help pass it.
Scott Galloway · 56:38
They've all said, keep it to yourself until I'm elected, and then all of a sudden, we'll decide that, oh, wait. No. Federal ban.
Kara Swisher · 56:45
And and billionaires, you're getting a tax cut. He's gonna do all the things that he says he's gonna do, and we're gonna close the borders. They're gonna do all those things. So if you want that, vote for him. Anyway, if you got a question of your own you'd like answered by us, send it our way. And thank you so much for the question this week from Eric from San Diego. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 59:18
Okay, Scott. You were almost saying a prediction, but then you held back. So let's hear your predictions.
Scott Galloway · 59:24
Such a tease. My mind's simple, and I've said this before. We are going to see... We predicted this. We are going to see the quote unquote forced divestment or what is being labeled a ban of TikTok. It's going to go through. You're not gonna lose your TikTok. It's not gonna happen. My experience in business is that it's always good to bet on money, and money will win here as it always does. And there's so much money on the line. And they're also... What people don't appreciate is they think of a ban as being zero and one. This isn't a ban. This is giving the president authority within nine or twelve months to force them to divest. And what people aren't being thoughtful about is there is a ton of light, sunlight in between that because they're dealing with the White House, and they might say, hey. Okay, mister president. Is there an opportunity for us to come to some sort of accommodation, dual class shareholders, data stored here, whatever it might be? Folks, you are not going to lose your TikTok. And the the reason they will come to the table and figure out an accommodation is that on the American side, a lot of people love TikTok, and there are a lot of very influential American organizations, including General Atlantic Partners and Sequoia Capital, who have tens, if not hundreds of billions on the line here. And also also, the Chinese want the money. It's just... There's there's there's no reason they shouldn't find some sort of accommodation. Money wins. It'll win here, folks. The platform will not effectively be banned. You're not gonna lose your TikTok.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:09
And there will be there will be lawsuits just for... So there'll be lawsuits, but it's a waste of time. They they got... Lawsuits are a negotiating tactic here, and so they've gotta get to some company. It's not going... This is not being turned back. And maybe maybe they'll win in the thing, but it... It'll kill their business if they're spending all their time doing lawsuits. It'll just kill TikTok. That's what'll kill TikTok, spending all their time doing it. They gotta come to a place where they can keep moving forward with their business, because this is the this is the cards they're dealt with.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:36
Yeah. But it's... This is the CCP. This is not a negotiation between ByteDance and the White House. It's a negotiation between Xi and Biden.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:42
Well, it's gotta... They should do it because they'll they'll end up it'll end up not being a popular... You'll stop using it is what'll happen anyway, and you'll abandon it. By the way, in the end, you'll abandon it anyway because kids, that's what you do. Anyway, that's the show. I'm off to interview your not girlfriend, senator Maria Cantwell.
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Scott Galloway · 1:02:00
Tell her I'm a huge fan, and we were meant to be together.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:03
I shall not. I shall do none of these things.
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Kara Swisher · 1:02:08
And it's never gonna be said by me to her in any way because it's... She's a US senator. I'm gonna treat her like a US senator.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:14
Dude of Washington.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:16
We're gonna talk about TikTok, among other things, because she was integral to moving this forward and, talk about her privacy bill. And, you know, she was a marketing executive at RealNetworks when I met her. She was she's a she was a dot com millionaire. That's what she was. And that's how she sort of vaulted herself into the senate. Been there a long time. Really smart person, and so I'm excited. I haven't talked to her in a in a long time. Anyway, I'm very excited. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot and so much more to talk to. There's all kinds of earnings coming up, all kinds of things. And let's say everybody go out and buy Scott's book. I want him on the top of the New York. I want him... I tell him he's gonna be number one. He doesn't think so as usual. He has to denigrate himself, but he is going to be number one in the New York Times bestsellers. He is actually competing against a lot of books. Just so you know, Doris Kearns Goodwin has a book. Salman Rushdie has a book. There's a lot of books out there, but I have this feeling you're gonna... If you're not one, you'll be two.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:11
Me, Doris Kearns Goodwin, and Salman Rushdie.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:14
Yeah. And you gotta see who's with... Who's running against you at the... Who's who's up in the nonfiction stuff. You've got a lot of competition.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:20
That's literally the throuple from hell.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:22
That's a throuple. Oh
Scott Galloway · 1:03:24
my god. Jesus.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:27
Doris Koren's scared one. She's gonna... She's... She could be at the number one. She could too.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:31
Yeah. Doris... And not only that, Doris Doris deserves it. Yeah. Yeah. She does the work. She does the work.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:38
Yeah. She does. Yeah. So that's a big book. There's a couple big books coming out, but but you are you are right... Gonna be right up there near the top. So everybody go go buy Scott's book and buy his his audiobook because I bet that's selling really well too. And and make him a bestseller so so we can be bestsellers together.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:55
That's right. I am desperate for your affirmation. And by the way, this offer still holds. If you buy my book and post the receipt on any social, I will donate $50 to charity:water that continues to bring potable water to Sub Saharan Africa.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:08
Wow. Woah, Scott. That's good. What a good technique.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:13
Right? Pretend I actually care about the world, but just get daddy at the top of the list.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:18
At the top of the list. Anyway, go buy his book. Okay, Scott. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot, so read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:24
Today's show was produced by Lara Neiman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie and Jatot engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows and Mille Severio. Nishat Kerouwat is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Surround yourself with friends that call you and save you from yourself. Yesterday, Kara called me and told me I was being a fucking idiot. You need people in your life. You need guardrails. Hold on to those people.
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