Kara Swisher · 54:50
Food. It was miso soup. It was rice, certainly. It was it was so good. It was so healthy. It was crazy.
Scott Galloway · 54:56
And they end up paying 6,000 or $7,000 per consumer on health care, and we pay 13,000, folks. Let's do the math. So I don't like I don't like demonizing. Like, I like McDonald's. I like Dunkin' Donuts. I like to think that because of education early on, I I got some... You know,
Kara Swisher · 55:14
I'm fully aware.
Scott Galloway · 55:15
Eating the right foods. Also, the reality is fast food is a function of poverty, and that is... Or or going back to the same income inequality. And that is if you're a single mother, the cheapest caloric intake is fast food. And people people wanna get moral and lecture people about the importance of cooking at home and cooking with good food. Actually, the myth is that cooking at home saves you money. No. It's not. To cook at home with natural ingredients is really expensive.
Kara Swisher · 55:41
It is. Mhmm.
Scott Galloway · 55:42
And so
Kara Swisher · 55:43
And also time. A lot of people have to jog.
Scott Galloway · 55:45
Or food deserts. Yep. But, again, I'm... I... I've said this before. I think the most transformative technology over the next five or ten years is not AI. I think it's GLP one. But love McDonald's. Think people should have the right to kill themselves fast or slow if they want. But I think a really good investment would be giving people enough money and enough education such that they want to and can afford to eat well.
Kara Swisher · 56:07
Yeah. But I have to say, I wouldn't go up against Maura Healy. Would not if I were you RFK. She's a tough nut. She's a big basketball player. Don't if you know that. She's a very good one. Anyway, we'll what our
Scott Galloway · 56:18
event. Right?
Kara Swisher · 56:19
Bowen? She did? Yeah. She's great. I love her.
Scott Galloway · 56:21
She's And we met her wife?
Kara Swisher · 56:22
Yes. Anyway, we'll see where it goes. But it's really interesting that that these these... I have to say, some of the brands on social media are really interesting. And some of them are better than those. Wendy's does an amazing job, for example, online.
Scott Galloway · 56:35
Well, you know what Peter Pan's favorite place to eat out is.
Kara Swisher · 56:38
Where? Where is it? Wendy's. Oh god. Can't believe you have a dirty joke about Wendy's. Oh, thank god. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 58:52
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction. I have something very quickly to say in the prediction department. I... If... For people who didn't notice, there was a story, again on, bots about problems with wrongful deaths and suicides. This time, it's Google with Gemini AI chatbot coached a man towards suicide, and it is... The story is devastating. This is an adult, not a not a young person, not at someone underage, but, it's still just as devastating what it did and what told him to do, and it made him go to places and look for things in order to find a robot to put this digital girlfriend into. I have to say, I predict some really significant legislation around this in a way that is probably gonna be too reactive and at the same time necessary because of the way these companies are conducting their their chatbots that interact with people on a personal level. And they have done nothing to to rein them in. And so I think there's gonna be a flood of things around how we interact with technology, that's gonna be bipartisan and pretty ugly for the tech companies.
Scott Galloway · 59:58
Yeah. And I didn't mean to make light of fast food. There there was that mass shooting at a fast food restaurant where the guy was screaming, you've ordered your last McRib. And then one of the workers said, sir, this is a Wendy's.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:08
Oh my god.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:09
That's so wrong, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:10
It's so wrong.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:11
That's so wrong.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:13
Anyway, what's your prediction?
Scott Galloway · 1:00:15
I wanna take some license here, and I wanted to talk... I wanted to do kind of a a fail and a win, and that is I just... I watched... One of my living heroes is, madam, secretary Clinton. Yeah. It's the only person I've ever canvassed for. And when I saw... I watched her entire testimony. I just thought the level of sexism was so fucking insane, and that is so first off, when is the last time a man was asked repeatedly to explain his wife's behavior or actions? And the... This is the absurdity of holding wives accountable for husbands. And here's what's so incredibly fucked up about this. Live in a world
Kara Swisher · 1:01:06
Beata responsible for you, Sukka.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:08
We live in a world where a woman with her own fifty year career in public service, senator, secretary of state, presidential candidate gets hauled in front of a committee and asked to explain what her husband did, not what you did, what he did. And, also, there's this implicit assumption that, like, and why didn't you stop him? And we've seen the same bullshit for decades. When a powerful man does something wrong, we turn to his wife and ask, where were you? Why didn't you know? Why didn't you leave him? Why are you still with him? And we never ask the inverse. When a woman in power screws up, we don't holler husband in and ask him to explain her choices. We don't demand he account for her behavior. We don't ask, why did you stay with her? Because implicit in all this is this We
Kara Swisher · 1:01:56
we do ask that, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:58
Implicit in all of this is this assumption that men are autonomous agents responsible for their own actions, which is right, whereas women are responsible for everyone's actions, including their husbands. The double standard is staggering. If if if if Hillary had left Bill after the Lewinsky scandal, she'd have been called a calculating opportunist who who abandoned him and that it was politically convenient. If she stays with him, she's complicit in everything he's ever done. So I just think it's insane that they kept asking her questions when he was testifying the next fucking day. Well, ask him.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:35
She handled it beautifully.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:36
Yeah. I agree. So now just to to piss off the Brooklyn Sandelled or Birkenstock crowd on the other side, there is absolutely a double standard for for women when it comes to asking them to explain obvious discretions or conflicts of interest. Watching the exchange, basically saying, you having sex with... Are are you in an extramarital? And I'm I'm gonna be clear. I'm not judging them on having an extramarital affair or having sex. When you're having a relationship with your number two who is unqualified, that is reason to be fired at any organization, any corporation, much less a cabinet position. And and what the exchange reminded me of was how selectively we apply accountability in politics. And as someone who considers them a feminist, that means you're subject to the same opportunities. And, also, you're entitled to the same amount of shit as everybody else. And when male politicians face questions about personal conduct, the expectation is clear. Answer the fucking question. And when they dodge, the press and the opposition usually press harder until they either deny it or outright... Until they deny it or or admit it.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:47
Evasion Sony Gonzalez. Did that just happen?
Scott Galloway · 1:03:49
Evasion becomes the story. But when a woman, secretary Noem, respond to a direct question about a relationship, calling it total garbage and declining to actually say no, the moment largely passed without the same relentless follow-up. It will float away because of this double standard of being accused of slut shaming. This is sexism the other way. If a male cabinet secretary responded that way to a similar question, the headlines would read refuses to deny, and the questioning wouldn't stop. So there is sexism asking women to take responsibility for their husbands, but at the same time, there is a a double standard and a lack of accountability amongst women for the same types of things where the press and and other lawmakers would not let up. God. I'm so preachy today.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:35
I know. I I think lawmakers did did not let up. I think they said it.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:39
I've talked It's done.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:41
They are not... They are doing their job. They did ask, and they asked several times. So... Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:45
If this had been Bill Clinton or another myth, it would be it would be ongoing until they clarified their comments.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:53
I'm gonna say you're right about the media. I'd say... I think they they asked as hard as they could, and she just refused. She went
Scott Galloway · 1:04:59
See, I think I think they should have said the following, and it's easy to be... I think one of them should have said, you are having an inappropriate relationship with your number two who is unqualified, and this puts the nation at risk. I would have backed her into a fucking corner.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:13
That's fair. That... They could have done it a different way. You're right.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:16
So I'll move on.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:17
Alright. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:17
Real quick. My prediction is no. And that is Dario Amodi has given license and permission to CEOs to say no. And in the next thirty days, you are going to see a raft of CEOs find their testicles and start saying no to No. This
Kara Swisher · 1:05:36
There's gonna be a lot of that. I agree with you a 100%. Okay. Well, speaking of yes, we will be in Minnesota, everybody. Just so you know, we're gonna be there on Sunday night, and we are very excited, we're and very excited to do the show. It'll be a pivot show, and at the same time, we're gonna talk a lot about resist and unsubscribe, and Scott's got some tricks up his sleeve. We've got some special guests, secret guests. We're sold out. So it's not like we're selling it, but we're we're very excited to do it and raise money for a legal organization that helps immigrants there. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your question about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 Elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe, this week on Prof G Markets, Scott spoke with Big Short legend Steve Iceman about why he thinks the war in Iran is unlikely to rattle markets and why the bigger risk investors should be watching again is AI. Let's listen to a clip.
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Guest · 1:06:33
Everything that's being created by people who are doing AI has value. The question is how much value? So much money is being spent. Are the returns that these companies are gonna generate, are they gonna justify those returns? I suspect not. If I had to take my life on it, I'd say we'd have some kind of replay where, you know, in the Internet bubble, the first generation of Internet companies basically failed, and there was the second generation of Internet companies that that took us on to glory in terms of the value of the Internet.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:09
Very good. Very sensible. That makes sense. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening, to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week with an episode, as I said, taped live in Minneapolis. Scott, I can't believe we did it. I mean, we just thought about it on the show, and then we made so.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:27
An idea, and it's happened.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:28
And, again, thank you to all our staff for helping us here and, of course, to Tain Danger in Minneapolis who's been really amazing. We're very excited to come. We're gonna have a hooped up show and and and have a lot of fun with people in Minnesota. They deserve all the fun they can get. Scott? You have to read us out of
Scott Galloway · 1:07:46
some stuff. Thanks. Yeah. Where am I? Where am... Reheat my soup. Today's show was produced by Lara Niemann, Joey Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie and Todd engineered this episode. Manolo Moreno edited the video. Thanks also to Drew Burrows, Miserverio, and Dan Shalon. Nishat Karowas, Vox Media's executive producer podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Three words. First word, mini. Second, app. Third, o s.
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