Kara Swisher · 58:50
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction. What's a prediction from you besides children of Scott all over Southern California? Are you creating a legion of babies?
Scott Galloway · 58:58
Well, you know, you can... There's now a website. If you go to it, you can type in your name and say this is the clinic I donated. Yes.
Kara Swisher · 59:05
I know all about it.
Scott Galloway · 59:06
And they send you a certified... Think certified mail. And if you sign it, an email goes out to all your biological children saying, this is your biological father. I would do it if you could gate it, and you can't. And and the problem is you don't know if it's...
Kara Swisher · 59:18
You don't gonna do this now so I can meet all of Scott's children.
Scott Galloway · 59:22
Well, that's why I don't do 23 and Me because No. People get figured out. But I don't know if I have two kids or 2,000 because it wasn't regulated back then.
Kara Swisher · 59:29
Yeah. But you have, like, hundreds of kids. You remember the Vince Vaughn movie where he
Scott Galloway · 59:33
had Yeah. I told you that. My mom made me stop because she said she said, I put my... I'm not exaggerating. I paid for my junior year at UCLA doing this. And and my mom said, you need to stop. And her rationale was, what if your son ends up marrying your daughter?
Kara Swisher · 59:47
Oh my god. That's the typical fear thing, the fear thing.
Scott Galloway · 59:50
I know. But, anyways probably happened. Don't point. She's like, you're gonna go up in LA, and you're gonna come... And you're gonna meet... Anyways. But it's it's a weird it's a weird thought. I thought about maybe, like, I don't know, leaving him some money when I die or something like that. But, anyways
Kara Swisher · 1:00:06
I I I know. I've used those sites because I I saw other... How many other kids my sons are related to.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:11
Make for a fun party. Think about what an awesome party I would throw for two hundred 38 year olds that all sorta look like me. That would be a fun party,
Kara Swisher · 1:00:20
wouldn't like I wanna go find all your children.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:23
And apologize and give them therapy.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:25
Documentary searching for Scott.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:26
Oh, let's start a podcast network.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:28
Yes. Let's start a Vox Media pod... Like,
Scott Galloway · 1:00:31
let's talk that way. Their children. Why is that? Oh my god. That's so fucked up. I know. It's so fucked up.
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Kara Swisher · 1:00:37
I love it. Let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:38
Anyway, sorry.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:39
I predict this would be disastrous. And then they could marry all of Elon Musk's kids. Anyway, sorry. Prediction.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:45
I think my prediction is the following, Kara. I think the worm has turned. I think that my sense is that the things that have kept Republicans quiet because of their dear leader has more power in this cult that where he can vote them out of office. The fear factor of saying, I'll weaponize the DOJ against my enemies. Donald Trump, I'm not comparing him to Hitler, but Hitler's biggest mistake that reshaped the world was he decided to open a second front in the war, and he declared war on Russia. That is... We probably would have had to come to some sort of agreement with him where he got Europe and Britain got the empire or whatever. But that is what kinda lost the war, It was in addition to British brains, Russian blood, and American brawn. Russian blood, they they sacrificed 20,000,000 people, and they were allies at the beginning of the war. Trump has decided to fight everyone all at once. He's not he's not going after targeted tariffs against against China or figuring out if there's certain tariffs that that... On on dairy that are not reciprocal or asymmetric. He's not saying to the EU, we need we need you to pay more for our NATO. He's just declared war on everyone all at once, and it is literally the only... We had to ally with dozens of countries to get Hussein out of Kuwait, but this guy's under the impression he can declare war on everyone.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:12
Mhmm. And He did... Does feel like declare war on everyone, doesn't he?
Scott Galloway · 1:02:15
All at once. Whether it's Harvard or Kazakhstan. He's just declared war on everyone. Yeah. And they're gonna be very creative and strike back. They're just gonna be very creative and strike back. Anyways, the... I think the worm has turned. I think that so many public company CEOs who wake up in the morning and say, hello, mister president, that think that someday they're gonna be drafted because of their incredible leadership skills to run for president. Let me save you three classes at a business school on ethics, leadership, and sustainability. Ethics is like, think about what the right thing is. Leadership is do the right thing even when it's really hard, and sustainability is doing the right thing when it's really hard. You might actually make money. There. You don't need to take those three classes. You're about to see, I believe, some very high profile business leaders and Republicans come out in the next week or two and say, this is just bad. And they're gonna get a ton of attention. Not one... I don't... I I can't think of a Fortune five hundred CEO who has who has spoken out. I can't think of a Republican who has really taken a stand here. And the person I am reminded of is a guy named Martin Niemoller, and he was essentially... He was a prominent Lutheran pastor in Germany in the twenties and early thirties.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:31
He sympathized for me. Right?
Scott Galloway · 1:03:33
That guy? That's exactly right. Very well well done. He sympathized with many Nazi ideas and supported radically right wing political movements. But after Hitler came to power in '33, Niemoller became an outspoken critic of Hitler's interference in the Protestant church. He spent the last eight years of Nazi rule in prisons and concentration camps. And Niemoller is perhaps best remembered for his postwar statement, which begins, first they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out. And his full quote is, first, they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me. I mean, that is really powerful. And what I would argue, I have a lot of faith in America over the medium and the long term. We get it wrong in the short term a lot, but over the medium and long term, we demonstrate tremendous generosity and leadership. I And think we're at a point where people realizing that, okay, a guy with the wrong tattoo who gets basically rounded up, a university or the cultural elite that are targeted under bullshit narratives of antisemitism coming after weaponizing the DOJ against your political enemies, I think the school is about to rise up against the bullies.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:56
Yeah. Although, Scott, in the short term, like, Chris Krebs had to leave his business... Has to leave his company because he got targeted by Trump,
Scott Galloway · 1:05:02
and he's fighting it. There's been... Care. There's been damage is There's been uncalculable economic and moral damage here and loss of brand equity and a loss of moral authority. I don't... I'm not in any way assuming this will repair everything. What I'm suggesting is the following. There is now... It is so obvious how damaging this is. Republicans showing up to their town halls and literally getting just absolutely ravaged.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:28
Thing continues. Although there's so much hostility towards her, it's really fascinating from some Democrats anyway.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:34
But I think you're going to see in the next one or two weeks a cadre of Fortune 500 CEOs, Republicans stand up... Business leaders stand up and say, okay. Enough already. While you all claim he's playing four d chess, at this point, we're worried he's gonna start eating the pieces. This guy is making the stupidest decisions, and the first person... I I love Nike. I just do a lot of work with Nike. I'm I'm I'm gonna call... I don't know if he'll call me back. I'm gonna call Elliott Hill the CEO today. The biggest opportunity right now in the commercial consumer world is for the CEO to weaponize their creativity and their agency and to come out against this bullshit and say this is anti American. This is not part of our values. This is not what it means to be an American. Someone someone in the Fortune five hundred is gonna come out and say this is bullshit. And guess what? The people who actually have the money to buy this shit are gonna think, you know what? I like this swoosh again.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:30
I like your prediction. I hope it's true.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:31
Don't know what it Harvard. He's made Harvard likable.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:34
Yeah. And, you know, interesting. Josh Shapiro who got attacked on Passover, his house, who's the governor of Pennsylvania, Trump has yet to call him, which is really an astonishing thing. Of course, if it was a... If there was a Tesla in the in the driveway, he certainly would call it terrorism. But, of course, he's
Scott Galloway · 1:06:50
not He wanted to label people throwing shit at Tesla's an act of domestic terrorism.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:55
Also, Pam Bondi.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:56
Governor of Pennsylvania. Someone tries to burn his house down with him in it on... During pass... I mean, but but, oh, we're just gonna keep that. We're just gonna ignore that. Anyways, I I like to think that all of a sudden, a bunch of leaders in the Republican Party and in the business world are reaching down and finding these spherical things called testicles.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:17
I don't know. Marco Rubio keeps making stupid arguments. They're trying
Scott Galloway · 1:07:20
to say this guy administration.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:22
This guy who's in El Salvador who's m 13 with no proof.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:25
People in the administration are... They're they're... They've they've signed up for the Dear Leader pack. They're in. They're in the cult. They're like, okay. Maybe maybe I disagree with Jim Jones, but I came down to Guyana. I'm going to drink the Kool Aid. I'm talking about Fortune five hundred CEOs, and I'm talking about even some some Republican congresspeople. This has gotten so out of control, and and they're gonna do it out of greed. The first consumer brand that stands up and says, I am standing up to this, the first Republican that stands up and says, okay. Come for me. This is insane, especially in a district where, like... In Kentucky where Canada being more strategic is like, no. Let's just not do blanket tariffs. Let's go after red states. I mean, this... I do think... Anyway, my long winded way of saying, my prediction is the worm has turned, and we're gonna see people who supposedly were part of the cult, the Fortune five hundred, which has been visibly absent, they're gonna remember that's gonna... This guy's quote, you know, first they came first they came for the socialists. Right? Okay. Be clear, folks. Everyone could get this knock on the door, and I do think the worm has turned. I think there is economic incentive now to come out against this shit. And you know who provided cloud cover for it? Chairman Powell.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:43
Yes. He does, but we'll see. We'll see. From your mouth to all of your legions of babies.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:48
You're cynical. You know? Or you don't think you're skeptical?
Kara Swisher · 1:08:50
I don't... I think it'll take longer than you think it'll be more damaging. I think he will have damaged and wrecked people's lives and... In the process.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:56
Oh, I think that's already happened.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:57
Yeah. I think he's gonna keep doing it. I think until until the midterms, and if the Democrats win, he's in for a world of pain for the rest of his life. That's where I think it is. Anyway, that's a great prediction, Scott, by the way. And as I said, from your lips to your legions of babies' ears. Elsewhere in the Scott and Perry universe, Scott, you just had a big interview with Canada's new prime minister, Mark Carney. Very nice get. You chatted about a lot of things, including Canada's role in changing world and whether The US, Canada relationship can be fixed as trade tensions rise. Obviously, Scott is a particular friend of Canada, and they love us there. Let's listen to a clip.
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Guest · 1:09:34
You know, from a Canadian perspective, we are willing to take the price to restructure our economy in a different direction. It's been such a sense of I mean, the word that's used is betrayal. So we signed a deal. We've had this partnership. We observe it in good faith. We set up businesses. We know lots of Americans. We like Americans. We listen to American podcasts. There's such a thing. And all of a sudden, we get these attacks, which is the way this is viewed, is, okay. So it's gonna cost us for a period of time, and we'll build out and build with others.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:12
What a nice voice he has.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:14
He's a very impressive guy. He was he was asked to be, again, the first non Brit to head the Bank of England. I asked him... I thought the nicest part of the podcast, I asked him in a lightning round. I said, if you could go back and speak to someone who's not with us anymore, who would it be, and what would you say? And he paused, and he said, my dad. And I would tell him I love him.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:31
Oh, wow.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:32
It was really a nice moment.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:34
Scott, you probably weeped, didn't you?
Scott Galloway · 1:10:35
Oh my god. Well, he got emotional. Made me feel very emotional.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:38
Oh, very nice. He's an impressive... And by the way, incredible turnaround in Canada for the Liberals. Like, this this this weird little conservative was gonna win, and now he looks like he's gonna lose. Pierre Poiavois. Trump
Scott Galloway · 1:10:50
is is literally toxic for the entire world right now, the most elegant way to reduce everyone's prosperity. But in terms of popularity, he's taken Claudia Schonbaum's popularity above 80%.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:01
Incredible.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:02
Incredible. Everyone is rallying against this guy.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:04
We'll see if he wins. We'll see. But, anyway, that looks like that's the case. It was a good interview, Scott. I listened to it. It was terrific. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week. Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:19
Today's show is produced by Lara Naaman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Nurtot engineered this episode. Jim Mackle edited the video. Thanks also to Jubrose, Miss Severio, and Dan Chulan. Nishat Kurwa is Vox Media's executive producer of podcast. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Then they came for me, and there was no one left to speak for me.
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