Scott Galloway · 57:52
This exhibition said, I know you'll just love this guy even though he knows I'm not into art. And it was a guy named Grayson Perry. And his art, he has... Do you know that big orange... You probably know better than I do. You know that big orange sketch etching I have in my Mhmm.
Kara Swisher · 58:05
I love it.
Scott Galloway · 58:05
Living room? And it's called map of a politician, and I just fell in love with it. And then this person for my birthday bought it for me. And was the only piece of art I own, and he's a really interesting dude. Did you buy any? Oh, no. I didn't. No. I I literally own one. I own two piece... I own own one piece of art and one photograph. The piece of art makes me feel closer to the person who bought it for me, and I love it. I have a photograph of Otto Frank and returning to where his family was. And whenever I'm feeling sorry for myself, I just go look at that that photograph. But, anyways, he was there last night, and I got to meet him. And that was really exciting. He's a really lovely man. But, anyways, I got to meet the artist of the one piece of art island.
Kara Swisher · 58:40
Oh, that's nice. That's simply Scott. Freaking. You are just evolving into such a lesbian. It's fantastic.
Scott Galloway · 58:46
And I... By the time I'm 90, I'm gonna be like... I'm gonna have manners. Gonna be able to read the room on my hundredth
Kara Swisher · 58:52
The journey of Scott Gallery.
Scott Galloway · 58:54
There we go.
Kara Swisher · 58:54
Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
Scott Galloway · 58:58
He's a human boy.
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— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 1:01:16
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:20
I always sorta had kid gloves around this, but... Well, well What was that one prediction? Noise?
Kara Swisher · 1:01:25
Say that... Do that noise again.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:28
Is
Kara Swisher · 1:01:28
that? You just... Why did you just make that noise?
Scott Galloway · 1:01:31
I don't know. I have a prostate exam later today, and I'm just practicing. Okay. Elbows on the table. Elbows on the table.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:38
That's all I know. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:41
Run your run your hands for my hair.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:44
Yeah. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:45
I think Gavin Newsom is now coming out of this the de facto leader of the Democratic Party, and that was a void the size of the freaking Grand Canyon.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:53
You... As you've noted. Now should he declare first presidency? I was thinking this. I almost texted him and said, you should declare first right now.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:00
He's... He has.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:01
But you actually... And then start making pronouncements.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:03
Probably not yet because it would warrant... But but he's already... He's... The people who should declare president say the people that nobody knows because they'll get a ton of he he is already the de facto candidate by virtue of what's happened this week, and he should start. And he'd also... And I said this a few months ago. Him bringing Charlie Kirk on and Newt Gingrich on his podcast, as much as the Taliban or the left hates that, that was the right move.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:27
It was just a bad interview, Scott. I I don't have a problem with him having it on. It just... He didn't do a good job, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:32
I think he's the de facto leader of the Democratic Party right now coming out of this too.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:35
Can I ask? Can I add something? Who do you think if he was running... I was thinking if he ran, his vice president should either be Pete Buttigieg or someone I saw the other night, Gina Raimondo. Anyway, those are my ideas for
Scott Galloway · 1:02:47
I think she's fantastic.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:48
She is amazing. She was... She's as sharp as a frigging tack.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:51
If you want someone that's good for the economy and just does the work, she's she's that person.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:56
It's a question. She may run for president, by the way.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:59
So A woman will not be the Democratic nominee, and nor should she be. If we have another woman lose for the third time, Carrie, you're not gonna have a female president for fifty years.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:06
I thought she would... As much as I think she is utterly capable of being president, I thought she should be the vice president for Gavin Newsom. That would be a really Let interesting
Scott Galloway · 1:03:14
me be looksis and sexist in one fell swoop. I can guarantee you not one person... The the Democratic nominee will not be under five foot ten. No president in the last hundred years has been under five foot ten.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:23
We are big. Handsome man. He's a handsome
Scott Galloway · 1:03:27
That's that's my point. What's more?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:28
Say it. What? Handsome man.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:29
The first... We will have a female president. She will be a Republican, and the key attribute you will... She will bring is a reputation that if your family runs a stop sign, she'll drone your ass. Yes. She will be... The first female president of The US will have to be someone so fucking scary.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:44
She'll drone your ass. Well, that would have been Liz Cheney. Right? That would have been Liz in the old days.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:48
Liz is probably the closest we could've had to an electable female president. Someone else will come along. She would join us. It's not gonna be a democrat, and the democrats are not gonna take their chances on a gay man. They're not gonna take their chances on a woman. They're not gonna take their chances on someone who's less than five foot ten. I'm sorry. That's the bottom line. Anyways, as VP, that's a really good one.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:10
Just play that game for a second.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:12
I'd probably macho it up and bring in, like, a former military person. I don't know. Mark Kelly. Oh, there's a lot of... There's so many good VP candidates. I think... Yeah. I don't know. They'll figure out what states they need help in. Who do you like?
Kara Swisher · 1:04:28
I think there I think there's lot of interesting people. I don't know yet because I think Wes Moore is always talked about and most feared by the right. That's for sure.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:36
He's very good.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:37
I still like... In my life, a Michael Bennett would be such a good president. I I always think of who'd be a good president. Of course, that doesn't matter anymore. Celebrity matters. Probably... I think I I... When I ran into Gina Ronda the other day, I was like, so fucking impressive. She's so fucking impressive.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:54
You know who we just had on on the Raging Moderates pod yesterday was Richie Torres.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:59
Oh, I don't... I'm not
Speaker · 1:05:01
a fan.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:01
What?
Kara Swisher · 1:05:02
Not a fan. Sorry.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:04
Oh my god. I love that guy.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:06
I think he's so performative. I I still keep thinking... I agree with you.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:10
Raised by a single mother, struggled with depression.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:12
Not... I don't like him. Oh, by the way good. Let me say, by the way, our producers are saying there have been presidents under five ten, but
Scott Galloway · 1:05:20
not this years? Who?
Kara Swisher · 1:05:21
Harry Truman, Jimmy Carter.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:23
Jimmy was five foot ten?
Kara Swisher · 1:05:25
Under, I guess. Yeah. Must have been.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:27
That's what our producers did today. What did you do?
Kara Swisher · 1:05:29
Five nine point five. Five nine point five. I don't know how tall
Scott Galloway · 1:05:32
Harry
Kara Swisher · 1:05:32
Truman was. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:34
At one point seven.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:34
That wasn't a particularly successful presidency, even though he had a great post presidency. Harry Truman, five nine, and he came to office because the president died.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:43
So Five for now. Jimmy Carter was five foot ten.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:46
Oh, alright. Says nine point five. Alright. Well, whatever. He's that tall. He wasn't tall.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:51
Whatever. All that matters is I'm eight inches.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:53
Oh my god. Ugh.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:57
I won't tell you my nickname in the fraternity. I won't tell you my nickname in the fraternity. Don't force me to tell you my nickname in the fraternity, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:04
It's tripod. So you've already told me.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:08
God. We're like an old couple.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:09
I know we are. Give me the Republican candidate then. Give me just No.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:14
It's gonna be... I I think it's gonna be J. D. Vance.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:15
I do not think that.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:16
No? Go ahead.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:17
Mm-mm. What do think it's gonna be? It's either gonna be Marco Rubio or, like, a Glenn Youngkin. That's my feeling.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:22
Youngkin's the guy who would win.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:24
Well, I'm just saying. Although he hasn't had the most spectacular Virginia situation.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:28
But Trump's gonna have so much power that he'll basically... Unless he has a huge erosion in his base, he'll be able to pick the person. I think it'll be... I don't think it'll be... I think... Oh, shit.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:39
Don't know. Vance.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:40
I don't
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Scott Galloway · 1:06:40
likes Vance. You don't think he likes Vance?
Kara Swisher · 1:06:41
Vance is unlikable. He really is. He's just... He he repels voters. They need a interesting looking person. It's gotta be like a youngkin or a... And Trump wants to keep it there. So it's not gonna be his son who... Forget that. I mean, he knows he's a loser. Probably... It's gotta be it's gotta be Rubio or something like that. Something like that.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:05
I think Rubio's too short.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:06
Alright. Okay. Anyway, he's also somewhat charmless too also. That's true. When he said little Marco, I thought, mhmm. That is correct.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:14
Oh, wait. So my predict... My actual prediction is that the worst... I think probably the worst acquisition of the last decade in terms of value destruction or overpaying happened last week. OpenAI's acquisition of the design firm, I think it's called IO.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:28
Oh, yes. Johnny Ives.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:30
I think Johnny Ives is fantastic. Just to be clear, company with no products gets acquired for $6,500,000,000 for a guy who is an... He's a genius designer. I I get... He deserved all all his due. Sorry, boss. That's not worth $6,500,000,000. This thing
Kara Swisher · 1:07:47
will be really cosplaying Steve Jobs. Sam
Scott Galloway · 1:07:49
This thing this thing will be written down by... Let me be clear. Iconic legendary designer, maybe even worth, like, a $100,000,000, which means a $6,400,000,000 write down. And in addition, OpenAI is gonna find that designing products, they'd be much better off. Let me save them some time. Partner with hardware firms.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:11
Right.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:12
Absolutely. Hardware is fun. You thinking that you're gonna bring in this Guy Ritchie like genius who dresses incredibly well and rightfully is considered one of the great designers of all time is gonna figure out a way for you to get into products? No. A very charming guy.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:27
He is. I... He was the last speaker at code along with Lorraine Powell Jobs and Tim Cook.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:32
Yeah. By the way, amazing. I'm not in... I'm not this... I'm not... The whole thing when the the two of them did this promo video on the acquisition, and it was so much like, I'm just a billionaire standing in front of a billionaire wanting to be trillionaires. Mean, it was just so
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Kara Swisher · 1:08:47
like was. It was strange. It was strange. Whatever. Let's give it to them. They've done a nice job. Yeah. Alright. We want... We wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 elsewhere in the Kara and Scott universe, this week on Prof G Markets, Scott spoke with Catherine Ann Edwards, PhD economist and columnist for Bloomberg News. She weighs in on the latest jobs data and unpacks how the economy has reacted to Trump's policies. Let's listen to a clip.
Guest · 1:09:21
What we are seeing is the effect of uncertainty, and uncertainty is all about idling. I'm not going to move much in either direction until I know which way the wind is blowing. So I'm not going to hire that many people. I'm not going to fire that many people. I'm not going to make massive investments, but I'm not going to pull back from the ones that I have. I'm just waiting in place to understand what the world is going look like. And that has been the economy really since September.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:48
Really very... Absolutely true. No one knows what to do because he's crazy. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. Scott, we'll be back next week from France where we... I will be charging things to Scott's room very soon, very, very soon. Overpriced, whatever it happens to be, but I will be... That will be the charge there, Scott. We'll be back next week from France. In fact, Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:14
Today's show is produced by Lara Naaman, Joy Marcus, Taylor Griffin, and Kevin Oliver. Ernie and her Todd engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Breaux, miss Severo, and Dan Shalon. Dushak is Vox Media's executive producer of podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine, Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymac.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. This is not leadership. It's fascist foreplay, and history will not be kind.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:54
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