Kara Swisher · 34:17
True social. No. We're not gonna go to that one. Which one would you go to? Discord? I guess I would move stuff over to Discord.
Scott Galloway · 34:23
I would go to a new one. I think there needs to be a news based one with with, real moderation and enforced identity, and I don't think any of them have that right now.
Kara Swisher · 34:31
And I don't... Wouldn't go to TikTok. TikTok would be my natural thing, but I just don't wanna...
Scott Galloway · 34:35
I don't know. I have Well, TikTok's exceptionally powerful. I'm talking about starting... And this kinda goes to my prediction. You're gonna see somebody very talented who will be well financed will announce a competitor to Twitter and basically come in through a news angle and a less a less toxic angle. All the moons are lining up. I think you're actually gonna start to see some fairly high profile people either leave Twitter or just tweet less. I I think all of this has taken a... Kinda taken a toll on the brand.
Kara Swisher · 35:03
I literally was thinking about leaving this weekend. I was for the first time. I have a million and a half or whatever million, 1,400,000 followers.
Scott Galloway · 35:10
Or just, you know what? You won't leave it. This is what most people do. They'll just start doing it less. They'll be like, do I really need... I had dinner with a close friend last night who is one of the most respected scholars in the world, and this person was saying that Twitter has really taken a toll on their mental health.
Kara Swisher · 35:26
I have to say, I I blocked so many people this weekend, and then I'm like, why am I doing this? Why am I even blocking people? Do I need to... Like, do I talk with people I don't like? I never do in real life. Anyway, it's interesting. It's the first time I thought about, like, just shutting it down, being like, ugh. And then I thought, you know, marketing, it's good for... What is it good for? One, I like the new stuff. Two And reach. Well, no. I don't think it I don't think it makes us bigger. I I think people either listen and pivot or they don't. I don't think Twitter does it for us.
Scott Galloway · 35:51
It's been huge for my work.
Kara Swisher · 35:53
Yes. Yeah. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 35:54
I have to give him credit. Alright. It's
Kara Swisher · 35:55
been... But marketing marketing is the greatest part of it. And then then I like the news discovery or finding voices that I like, interesting people. That's another thing. Yep. I found a lot of cool
Scott Galloway · 36:04
people Great discovery.
Kara Swisher · 36:05
Of funny people. But otherwise, if it start... Keeps getting uglier and uglier, it's like, no. Fucking thank you.
Scott Galloway · 36:11
You know? But let me give you... I mean, a couple of things. One, if you kept going to a party and you loved the party and you were addicted and there were some super interesting people there and you ran into new people, but every time you went to the party, someone in a ski mask came up to you and said something really vile. And you didn't know even who they were or if they were doing it on behalf of somebody else or they even really felt that way, but their job was to upset you or to have other people, other people hear them go, Kara, you're a liar. Scott, you're, you know, you're... You don't know what you're doing to embarrass you and diminish your credibility. Would you keep going back to that party?
Kara Swisher · 36:48
That's what I mean. Like, yeah, I would agree. It's not just the unknown people, but it's like, I had Greg Guttfred, whatever... That guy, the stupid fox guy, the tiny little man, little tiny man, little sort of three take it? Three quarter man, I guess, something like that. He is three quarters.
Scott Galloway · 37:04
Oh my god. I'm triggered. That is both sexist and and bigoted. I'm... That is awful.
Kara Swisher · 37:09
I'm just saying he was three quarters of the size. He looked like a like a tall man that had been shrunken down. That's... Anyway, this is a different guy. Anyhow, yes.
Scott Galloway · 37:18
Yeah. But you... Yes. But you're you're bringing up you're bringing up, I think, a really important point, and that is these algorithms have have incentivized people like your buddy Greg that they get status.
Kara Swisher · 37:29
Yeah. I
Scott Galloway · 37:29
know. Attention by attacking people. And let me just give you a quick... Let me just dial you into what will help your mental health. And I figured this out about a year ago. Don't engage. Don't clap back. Don't... Just fine. Take the slide.
Kara Swisher · 37:44
Said nothing to say. I did not... I did come back at JD Vance.
Scott Galloway · 37:47
That's what they want.
Kara Swisher · 37:48
No. I don't think he did. I think he didn't win on that one, but... And I didn't for the others.
Scott Galloway · 37:52
I'm not saying I'm not saying what's... The algorithm is like a a dog whistle for the the biggest little dicks in the world. And that is I have an enormously small penis and a large following.
Kara Swisher · 38:02
Lot of LD.
Scott Galloway · 38:02
And I have no status or success that's credible or substantive, so I'm going to try and gather social status by attacking and diminishing the veracity and credibility of people who have large followings. And the algorithm loves that and says, you keep doing that.
Kara Swisher · 38:18
Yeah. Get it.
Scott Galloway · 38:19
You keep insulting people or going after them or finding soft tissue. It... There's... It's really... Twitter is... There's something very, very unhealthy about it.
Kara Swisher · 38:29
Yeah. And, unfortunately, something wonderful too. That's the problem. There's there's... It's really quite... Mean, the amount of cool people I've met on there has really been a lot, but it's starting to pivot in the other direction for sure. Alright, Scott. We'll see what happens. I did just download all my information in case I decide to cut it off. But, anyway, Scott, let's pivot to a listener question.
Scott Galloway · 38:49
You've got you've got I can't believe I'm gonna be a mailman. You've got mail.
Kara Swisher · 38:55
The question came in via email. I'll read it. Hi, Karen Scott. My fiance and I bonded over Pivot early in our relationship, and now we're engaged. We're considering getting married in Prospect Park in Brooklyn, and we saw that Kara got married there. Kara, should we get married in Prospect Park? We're having trouble picking a venue so we could use your tiebreak. Scott doesn't seem to understand Brooklyn. He's a habitual Gowanus basher, so his advice is not needed. We love the show, Jeremy.
Scott Galloway · 39:29
I'll let you take that.
Kara Swisher · 39:30
You know what? You know, there there is expensive things in Prospect Park. We we got married in something that didn't cost us, I don't know, $25. It's a... Oh, I'm blanking on the on the facility. It's it's an outdoor sort of, like, temple kind of thing, one of those temple buildings, and it was... We paid... For some reason, I'm thinking $25 for it. Yes. Get married in... You can't get married now because it's outside because it's cold, but we did it because it was in the middle of the pandemic. I... We had a beautiful day. We had a very small group of people there. It was outside because it was right at the peak of COVID, right at the beginning.
Scott Galloway · 40:03
Was this number four or number five? Oh,
Kara Swisher · 40:04
stop it. It's number two.
Scott Galloway · 40:06
I'm sorry.
Kara Swisher · 40:06
Not kidding. Anyway, don't even talk to me. You've had two marriages. Correct? Correct?
Scott Galloway · 40:10
Yeah. First one kinda didn't count, It
Kara Swisher · 40:12
does count. What are you talking about?
Scott Galloway · 40:13
It's do over.
Kara Swisher · 40:14
Anyway, get married in Prospect Park. It's beautiful. It's wonderful. There's all sorts of free options. There's also expensive ones. There's a boathouse that costs around $6,000 for a Saturday rental. That seems a lot. I think that... I I had a wonderful wedding there, so I would say yes. Scott, where did you get married? Where were your two weddings, by the way, since you're
Scott Galloway · 40:34
Oh, god. My first one was at the San Francisco Mint.
Kara Swisher · 40:39
Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Really? She had a party in there. Oh, okay.
Scott Galloway · 40:44
Oh, yeah.
Kara Swisher · 40:45
Oh, that's nice. I've been to many Internet party there.
Scott Galloway · 40:48
And my second one was at my home in the Hamptons. And my third one will be on Mars, Carol. It'll be on Mars.
Kara Swisher · 40:57
Well, you and Elon and the sink should probably be happy together.
Scott Galloway · 41:00
I'm trying... You know what? I've never wanted to be a sink so badly in my life, that sexy beast.
Kara Swisher · 41:08
He's so strange.
Scott Galloway · 41:09
Turn on my taps. What kind of sink humor can
Kara Swisher · 41:12
I be? This dream that you two are gonna be friends one day. That's my feeling. No.
Scott Galloway · 41:17
Yeah. I don't
Kara Swisher · 41:17
think so. I don't think so. Anyway, do you know he and his fiancee bonded over Pivot? I'm just saying. We have created marriages.
Scott Galloway · 41:25
We're bringing people together.
Kara Swisher · 41:26
We're bringing people together. Lot... Yeah. Brene Brown said that to us. She and her husband do. I hear that from people all the time that stop me on the street, and I had a ton of
Scott Galloway · 41:32
them That's nice.
Kara Swisher · 41:33
Just... I'm... I was just on a trip recently, and tons of people have given me their stories of meeting... You know, bonding with their partners through it. Anyway, if you've got a question of your own you'd like answered, send it our way. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 Alright, Scott. One more quick break, and we'll be back for your prediction, which you already said what it was. I want you to explain more.
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Kara Swisher · 42:50
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 42:52
You're gonna see in the next three to six months a direct, credible new competitor to Twitter. There's just too much opportunity here. It's been so poorly run for so long. There's so many addictive, wonderful qualities of notion of a microblogging platform. There's just too much opportunity here. And so many users, so many advertisers are just sick of the Dorsey, Elon, Sideways. There's so much human capital that's experienced in the sector. So my prediction is you're going see a competitor emerge. And I have a second prediction just because I want to trigger you.
Kara Swisher · 43:29
All right.
Scott Galloway · 43:30
Please, sir. I believe that Senator Warnock and Mehmed Oz are gonna win their senate races. All right. Okay. And I believe and this is my long winded way of saying that we need to focus more on character and competence than ideology. And I think Herschel Walker is literally a village idiot who has never met a condom and is now running around the nation trying to urging people to get abortions as he tells women he doesn't know that they can't get abortions.
Kara Swisher · 43:57
And
Scott Galloway · 43:58
I'm sorry, and I'll get a lot of pushback
Kara Swisher · 44:01
You from are about to. I don't believe you're wandering into this area, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 44:04
100%. 100%. I'm economically secure and have people who love me, so I have a right... Obligation to speak my mind. John Fetterman is not fit to be a senator.
Kara Swisher · 44:14
Oh, why? Oh, come on.
Scott Galloway · 44:16
100%,
Kara Swisher · 44:18
Well, you, JD Vance. Not so.
Scott Galloway · 44:20
And not only that, even before Why not fit? Before a stroke. Lived off his parents until the age of 50. He's a brand with tattoos and a hoodie. And we have
Kara Swisher · 44:28
He's have a higher from Pennsylvania. That's nice.
Scott Galloway · 44:32
Okay. Fair enough. I'm not... You know what's a shame about that race? Is that Connor Lamb would have been a fantastic senator.
Kara Swisher · 44:37
I... He might have been. You're correct. That's correct. I was also very high on him.
Scott Galloway · 44:41
And this is what we need
Kara Swisher · 44:42
So would David McCormick, by the way.
Scott Galloway · 44:44
David... 100 per... Exactly right. So much more superior
Kara Swisher · 44:47
than your friend Oz.
Scott Galloway · 44:48
David McCormick would have been a good a good senator. I'll give you that. And this is what we need. We need ranked choice voting and open primaries because we shouldn't have to choose... You wanna talk about candidate quality? So Yep. Anyways, I'd like to think
Kara Swisher · 45:03
We'll see about that. Let me just say, look, I admire you for sticking by your friend, but this guy attacking someone for their stroke as a doctor is just as someone who had a stroke is so repulsive to me. I wish David McCormick had been the candidate because I do think he is a very competent person. Conor Lamb would have been very good. I do like John Fetterman. I think he's done a lot of really cool things. We'll see what happens in Pennsylvania.
Scott Galloway · 45:27
You know who would have been a great candidate? Who? You know what the missed opportunity was? Pennsylvania? Michael Smir No, you're too busy running Warner Bros. That's right. I would have loved to have seen Michael Smirkanisch run as an Independent.
Kara Swisher · 45:38
Interesting.
Scott Galloway · 45:39
They love him in Pennsylvania, and that was a race that really needed an Independent. But it's become so much about ideology that we're willing to send people to Senate that have absolutely no business being in the senate.
Kara Swisher · 45:51
Well, hello, so many senators right now. Look at... You know, Tim Ryan is obviously better than J. D. Vance. Give me a break. You know what I mean? And a very compelling policy.
Scott Galloway · 46:00
Does he have momentum? I've seen him a
Kara Swisher · 46:02
lot Yeah. On Yeah. I think it's... J. D. Vance should be running away with this thing, especially with all the Peter Thiel money, and he's not. So even if he wins, it'll be by a sliver, and that's... That should tell you a lot about Tim Ryan, which means he's... This is a this is a red state. It really is. It's not a purple state. Anyway, I think you're wrong about Oz. I think he's a terrible, feckless hack. But anyway, we'll go from there. I'm gonna let... We're gonna... We're gonna live and let live, Scott, because that's what we do. You and I do. We do that.
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Scott Galloway · 46:28
We There we go, baby. Go. There we go. We gotta get along if we're gonna run Warner Brothers.
Kara Swisher · 46:31
We go... Exactly. That... No. We could fight. Actually, my friend Terry Semmel ran ran Warner Brothers with his partner, his long time partner, Bob, whatever his name was. Yeah. They ran it together. They did a great job. It was sort of the golden days of that place. Anyway, that's the show. I have one thing I wanna do a shout out to someone who's a very wonderful public servant. Ash Carter died unexpectedly from a heart attack. He is... He was relatively young. He taught at Harvard. He was the defense secretary under Obama. I knew him incredibly well. I was just about to go up to Harvard at Thanksgiving to see him. Just a wonderful public servant, thoughtful in every way, always trying to find solutions, and very sad he died. We'd recently texted. Just the exact kind of public servant you want. I wish there were more of them and fewer of people like JD Vance, who's a hack and an opportunist. Anyway...
Scott Galloway · 47:21
Most of that was really nice.
Kara Swisher · 47:23
Sorry, but it's just the contrast is so vast. It makes me depressed.
Scott Galloway · 47:27
I did not know that about...
Kara Swisher · 47:28
Dash Carter was amazing. Yeah. Guy. Amazing.
Scott Galloway · 47:32
How old was he? I don't
Kara Swisher · 47:33
know, in his sixties? In his sixties. Yeah. He just died of a heart attack anyway.
Scott Galloway · 47:39
You gotta enjoy it, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 47:40
Gotta enjoy it. Gotta enjoy it. Could be your... Today could be your last. I don't wanna say that
Scott Galloway · 47:44
that way. Tell you care about that care about
Kara Swisher · 47:47
them. I care about you, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 47:49
I know you do. And I appreciate that, but I still enjoy hearing it.
Kara Swisher · 47:52
Anyway, we'll be back on Tuesday with more Pivot. Of course, Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 47:58
Today's show was produced by Lara Naaman, Evan Engel, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie and Jatad engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows and Miel Silverio. Make sure you've subscribed to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Elon, I'm your fucking dishwasher machine. Rinse me, you wonton bitch.
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