Scott Galloway · 28:49
Else's thoughts. Remember Chris Hughes did that big op ed in the New York Times and basically parroted everything
Kara Swisher · 28:54
Yes.
Scott Galloway · 28:54
Yours truly and you have been saying for the last three years? Yeah. My feeling is my... When I first read that, I'm like, well, no shit. Like, we've been saying that for three years, but I'm like, welcome to the resistance, brother. He was incredibly articulate. It was American Defense League speech. And he made some good points that if in the nineteen thirties, if Facebook had existed, Hitler would have started talking about his solution to the Jewish problem on Facebook. And Facebook immediately responded and said, well, that's not true. Our policy is that if anything could potentially incite violence, we take it down. But the reality... Hitler didn't wake up and just murder 12,000,000 people. He worked to... He worked up to it. And Facebook is letting people work up to it. And that was his point. So it's
Kara Swisher · 29:35
And you're going left. Okay. Let's let's let's play a little bit of that speech. Let's listen to it.
Guest · 29:39
This is not about limiting anyone's free speech. This is about giving people, including some of the most reprehensible people on earth, the biggest platform in history to reach a third of the planet. Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. Sadly, there will always be racist, misogynists, anti Semites, child abusers, But I think we can all agree that we should not be giving bigots and pedophiles a free platform to amplify their views and target their victims.
Kara Swisher · 30:11
Okay. He also... That was great. He also wrote expanding on the ideas for the Washington Post. He called them the Silicon Six, the CEOs and former CEOs of Google, Facebook, YouTube, Twitter. Right. So you you like this. You like this. Is this... But is it chic to do this, celebrities speaking out the way they speak about Trump? That's not been very effective. But you haven't heard celebrities speak out like this.
Scott Galloway · 30:34
Yeah. This guy, though, you know, it's sort of a a negative forward looking indicator on the age we live in where the most credible reasonable voice is Borat of 2,019.
Kara Swisher · 30:43
He's really brilliant, though. Come on.
Scott Galloway · 30:45
He's so And I thought he summarized very eloquently, and anything that gets more oxygen to this issue, I mean the latest ridiculous statement from Carolyn Everson when she claimed that nobody here wants us to be the arbiters of truth, and everyone in the audience was going, yeah, actually we would like you to have some, at least some input onto regulating false content. But I thought he was so eloquent, I thought it was so powerful, And, Facebook probably should have ignored it. Instead, they jumped into the fray and they just made it made it worse. But anyways, my winner is Sacha Baron Cohen and the increasing... Anyone who gives oxygen to the fact that that Facebook is the most dangerous organization run by a sociopath that is one of the greatest threats to, to democracies and just, peace and prosperity worldwide.
Kara Swisher · 31:33
Think anybody can be better for Mark Zuckerberg. And, actually, that's my fail this week, which was Yeah. It was tweeted by an ex employee of mine, Kurt Wagner, who's now working for Bloomberg, who, of course, has got ethical problems there. But Mark Zuckerberg has completed his 2019 personal challenge of hosting his series of public discussions on the future of tech, which were pretty limp, I thought. But he spoke to eight men and one woman, all white. Just like, who does the who does the advance work for this guy? Like, honestly, like, that was just like, come on. Really? You're not even trying to pretend you care about other people's opinions. It was really... I didn't even... I I had looked... Oddly enough, I had looked on on the podcast. I was noticing it was on Spotify. And I was like, wow. This is a funny crew of people that that he talked to. And then I realized it was that. And it was sort of a surprise. Again, I just... I wasn't paying attention, but then it was pointed out. I was like, oh god. Really? This is all just PR bullshit. That's what I kept thinking. And and badly done PR bullshit. So I was pretty disappointed by that. Because I do think he's meeting with people behind the scenes. I've I've met... Run into three or four people he's had over for dinner, all of whom he should have over for dinner. Right. But I think he's just much more comfortable with men than women and people who are white than not white. I just don't know what's going on, like, why. And maybe... I would love him maybe he he released a whole list of people he had dinner with, for example. I would love to see that list. That would be interesting to me. I don't... It's not us, obviously. Neither of us have invited for dinner unless you have.
Scott Galloway · 33:02
Yeah. But a lot... Is a lot of it, you know, hate hate the game, not the player, then unfortunately, the game is still mostly run by old white dudes.
Kara Swisher · 33:08
I guess. I just think you could try. Yeah. But there's so many people. You could be like, look. You don't have to have eight white guys and one white woman. You just don't. And, like... You know? But but I I... The dinner things are more interesting, these secret dinners he's having all over the place, these quiet little dinners. And I think I would love to see that list. And and, you know, I I... He doesn't have to necessarily publish it, but I'd love to have him write something after each one. I think he... He's got a bigger job than other people, and he needs to be more transparent. Think that would be my thing. What is your fail of this week?
Scott Galloway · 33:40
So my fail is, it's it's gonna sound strange, but Harvard. And Anand Harvard. Anand Jiridadeh, so I don't know how to say I his thought he just had the the line or one of the lines of the last year. He was speaking at Harvard, and he described Harvard as the world's largest drive through reputational laundromat. What I get, I get a lot of resumes. And something that is disqualifying for me, or that disqualifies the person immediately, is at the bottom when they say that they've completed some Harvard fill in the blank exec ed program. And typically it's like driving up in a canary yellow Ferrari. It's basically saying I have a little dick because anyone who feels the need
Kara Swisher · 34:29
They're to put gonna cut me off. I'm taping from Harvard right now, but keep going. Keep continuing.
Scott Galloway · 34:34
Anyone who feels the need to put that they went to some ridiculous Joey bag of donuts three day weekend exec ed thing from Harvard that their company or they were willing to pay $20.30, or $40,000 so they can put the Harvard logo on their LinkedIn profile Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 34:48
Was gonna buy you
Scott Galloway · 34:49
a It means you're radically insecure about your educational background, and you're looking to... For this drive through reputational laundromat. And I thought he just summarized it perfectly.
Kara Swisher · 34:59
He's great. He also went program. He also went at, Brett Stevens' Ploot's Gonna Ploot. Did you say that? Plutz gonna Plutz. Anan is a one man wrecking ball. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong, but, boy, do I enjoy watching him
Scott Galloway · 35:13
No.
Kara Swisher · 35:13
He's good. Through the rich He's your fail. My fail. I talked to you. It's Mark Zuckerberg and, like, not Oh, yeah. That's right. Doing that. I think he's... You know, I think... I don't know. I was gonna buy you the Harvard T shirt for for for Christmas, but I guess not. I knew the Harvard T shirt store. Yeah. I don't think I I can wear that T shirt. I see people wearing them. Not here. Here, it's fine, but I see people wearing them elsewhere. I'm always like,
Scott Galloway · 35:39
Well, you know, I like the pictures of Jeffrey Epstein and his Harvard sweatshirt. That's probably my favorite image of of 2019.
Kara Swisher · 35:45
Yeah. That's
— Predictions segment begins —
Scott Galloway · 35:46
true. Any predictions, Kara?
Kara Swisher · 35:47
Predictions? I predict that... I I I... Here's... No. I don't. No. You're the predictor. I don't have a prediction right now. I do think it's gonna be interesting to see this shakeout over because it's gonna be a quiet time over Christmas, even though it's been a crazy news year, of what shakes out in January with these with these political with these political things. And I do think the focus on tech will continue and at the same time not be part of the election whatsoever. I think nobody cares. Nobody cares that these people are are doing all this stuff except in the aftermath if they continue... If there's a problem. And so as you said, the pressure is not gonna really continue on these companies as long as they keep making money. And and that's that's really the the horrible truth is that a lot of these things are important. Teddy Schlieffer had a really good piece this week on Recode about this, about that nobody... She's talking a lot about tech, but her people don't even... People who follow who like her don't even care about it. I thought it was a great I thought it was a great piece. Although, I I really enjoy her speaking up about it, but I think it doesn't... It's not gonna touch them in any way, her her continued attacks on them or anything else, even though it makes for great, you know, discussion for us and things like that. Alright. Your predictions?
Scott Galloway · 36:56
Speaking of making making bank, you know which podcast is the ninety seventh most popular podcast in Singapore this week? Us.
Kara Swisher · 37:05
You and I. That's right. The dog and the jungle cat are just rolling in the whatever the
Scott Galloway · 37:10
Mark my My prediction, Kara. I have a prediction. Yeah. The the initial kind of the first and second innings of the streaming wars with all these different players, I'm declaring a victor. Okay. That victor... Well, the victor
Kara Swisher · 37:23
of the streaming war so far.
Scott Galloway · 37:25
Everyone came out of the gates. Right. Anyways, Disney Plus is just killing it. And just some data here. They're they're signing up nearly a million new customers each day.
Kara Swisher · 37:35
Yeah. Did you sign up?
Scott Galloway · 37:36
16... Oh, yeah. Are you kidding? Did you pay? Oh my god. The Mandalorian?
Kara Swisher · 37:40
Oh, yeah. I paid. I did not pay. I got a year free
Scott Galloway · 37:42
You did not?
Kara Swisher · 37:43
Verizon.
Scott Galloway · 37:44
For buying a phone?
Kara Swisher · 37:45
I don't know. Don't know. Verizon just gave me an offer, and I took it. Like, I didn't... I I read through it. I didn't have to, like, give my new baby up or anything like that, and I... They... I took it. It was a year free.
Scott Galloway · 37:55
Getting a free iPhone for signing up from AT and T. Apple still
Kara Swisher · 37:58
gets coin. They're just gonna be I know that. I'm just saying I didn't have to... I was worried I had to give something for it, but was me.
Scott Galloway · 38:03
You're paying.
Kara Swisher · 38:04
I'm paying.
Scott Galloway · 38:04
You're paying one way
Kara Swisher · 38:05
or interesting that that a lot of people aren't paying. Like, lots. You're the only imbecile who's not getting a freebie, but go ahead. Move along. But I'm a Republican white man in the imbecile from Montana. Alright. So go ahead. Keep going with your dissidents.
Scott Galloway · 38:16
Going to Montana. I'm going to Big Sky for the holidays. Because that's
Kara Swisher · 38:19
where you go. That's where you go.
Scott Galloway · 38:20
I've never been there before. I can't wait. Hurts really cold, though. Anyways
Kara Swisher · 38:23
Next stop, prostate cancer. Move along.
Scott Galloway · 38:25
Go ahead. See Ted Turner. He's one of my heroes.
Kara Swisher · 38:27
Oh, he's he's sort of, I think... He's he's struggling, I think, I suspect.
Scott Galloway · 38:31
Yeah. He's struggling. Anyways, did you see that Jane Fonda film? You would have loved that. It identified her life by the five men she's with. I'm like, wow. That's how you identify her.
Kara Swisher · 38:38
I almost went to lunch with her the other day, and I declined because I had to do something else.
Scott Galloway · 38:43
You turned down Jane Fonda?
Kara Swisher · 38:45
Well, I couldn't... I was... I don't. I can't go into it. She was speaking at the Washington Post, and there was a breakfast before, and I I couldn't. I just couldn't get couldn't
Scott Galloway · 38:52
Show get up in leggings. Show up in leggings. Aerobics leggings.
Kara Swisher · 38:55
Yeah. I'm wearing them right now. Alright. Finish your prediction, Scott. We have go. I have to go have some pie with Amanda's giant family.
Scott Galloway · 39:02
Mobile app downloads. Mhmm. They've made $5,000,000 through in app purchases in its first thirteen days.
Kara Swisher · 39:08
And there's also something What is that? Baby Yoda dolls that they're trying to keep out of the market? The people are trying
Scott Galloway · 39:12
to Oh rip my god. Have you seen how cute that baby Yoda is?
Kara Swisher · 39:15
Yeah. They're taking down gifts to protect their copyrights. They don't want anyone touching I the have
Scott Galloway · 39:19
never felt maternal instincts like I feel when I see baby Yoda on the Mandalorian. Anyways, I'm getting in touch with my maternal side.
Kara Swisher · 39:27
Marry the Mandalorian. Listen. Okay. Go ahead. Have some actual, like, analysis that people expect.
Scott Galloway · 39:32
Back to back to me and my predictions. So there's also a flywheel effect here. This is really interesting. Hulu downloads Mhmm. Which is being cross promoted with Disney plus Yes. Are up close Hulu. Close to 55 in the past two weeks, and ESPN has seen downloads increase by more than 50%. We had 26,000,000 daily viewing sessions over the past week. So I don't know if we're in the first or the second inning, but Disney plus, we're we're we're... We always thought... I predicted that the mother of all wars was coming between Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. It looks like the war that's shaping up is between Netflix and Disney plus. And I think over the next twelve months, you're gonna see Disney probably grab some market capitalization from Netflix. But anyways, in some, q one, and this isn't really much of a prediction, it... You're gonna see more and more articles around saying what Disney plus did right and x, y, and zed did wrong. But Disney plus is out to an early lead
Kara Swisher · 40:27
in streaming Netflix? What what what is the what is the impact on Netflix, etcetera, etcetera?
Scott Galloway · 40:34
Well, I think Netflix... So the the war
Kara Swisher · 40:36
because that's the only thing that counts here. Right? I mean, you know?
Scott Galloway · 40:39
Well, there's a lot
Kara Swisher · 40:40
of them. Right? HBO Max, which probably is apart in pieces. You, like, you, like, ripped that little bits.
Scott Galloway · 40:46
I heard from so many people from HBO who are like, right on, brother. I mean, literally, tons of people, right on, brother. So how does it impact Netflix? Netflix largely wins or loses by international growth, because in The US, everyone already has Netflix. And I believe that the way it impacts Netflix is that if their stock goes way down, a point of distribution, a Google or an Apple or a Disney buys them, if their stock goes way up, they go acquire distribution, either Roku or don't know, maybe the PlayStation. I don't... Sony is probably too expensive. But Netflix is either... Netflix at some point in the next twenty four months will be vertical either through being acquired or through an acquisition Alright. Okay. If things get if things get scary for them.
Kara Swisher · 41:28
That is really big. That's a big prediction. I like that prediction. You know, I wrote a very lovely piece about Disney about how much they struggled for years and years, and I did a history because I'm old about how much they struggled, and then this is finally their thing. So I got some
Scott Galloway · 41:42
lovely You had you had the best line. I'm now... I've started... This is one of the downsides of working with you is I feel an obligation to read your stuff. So I do read your stuff in the New York Times, but occasionally you stumble upon a pretty good line, and you had a great line in there about Disney. You said, the best way to describe it is the empire finally strikes back.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 42:00
Yes. That is true. That is true. Also, in any case, now I've gotta go do some more baby things and eat some pie, and therefore, you'll never hear from me again. Anyway, Scott, soon, we're gonna be going, what, twice a week, aren't we? Soon. TK.
Scott Galloway · 42:13
Two x a
Kara Swisher · 42:13
week. Two x a week. We have a lot of new exciting of a bad It starts this Tuesday. Double dog for the holidays.
Scott Galloway · 42:22
That's right. Here we go.
Kara Swisher · 42:23
That's that's that. Also, please us at hashtag pivot podcast and email us at pivot@VoxMedia.com. Happy Thanksgiving to you, Scott. Now say happy Thanksgiving to all our fans, please.
Scott Galloway · 42:37
Happy Thanksgiving, and we appreciate... I appreciate, I know you do too, just how generous and how much goodwill we get from our, you know, quote, unquote, dozens and dozens of fans. It's been a really nice thing in my life. I know it's a nice thing in your life.
Kara Swisher · 42:48
It is. It's really nice. And we... Across the globe, we are a global entity, me and this GOP lover over here. We're a phenomena. We're like Nutella. Go have some turkey, Scott. Go have
Scott Galloway · 43:02
some turkey. Of turkey.
Kara Swisher · 43:03
Have some turkey. Have a great Thanksgiving.
Scott Galloway · 43:05
Best to you and yours.
Kara Swisher · 43:06
Get ready for twice a week. We will run out of things to say to each other, but we're gonna try. Anyway, we're grateful for everyone who makes Pivot happen too. Today's show is produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Eric Anderson is Pivot's executive producer. Thanks also to Rebecca Castro and Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. If you liked our show, please recommend it to a friend. Thanks for listening to this Pivot podcast from Vox Media. We'll be back next week for another breakdowns of all things tech and business except two times as much.
Scott Galloway · 43:38
Two x.
