Kara Swisher · 33:03
Run the prison yard. You're
Scott Galloway · 33:04
right. Rabbit coat. That's hilarious. My mom had one of those.
Kara Swisher · 33:07
I had a rabbit coat, and she held it. She liked the coat. She wanted to hold it. I let her hold it. I did run the prison yard. Anyway, I wasn't bull... I didn't bully people, though. Finally, the supreme court seems like it won't be limiting access to mifepristone, a drug used in two thirds of all abortions in The US following arguments this week. It was the supreme court's first abortion case since overturning Roe versus Wade two years ago. Majority of justices seem skeptical during arguments questioning whether the group challenging the FDA's dispensing rules on the drug actually had legal standing. The court's decision is expected by the end of June. But even if the Supreme Court preserves full access to the drug, it still will remain illegal in more than a dozen states that have near total abortion bans. That's right. You can mail it and all kinds of stuff. But, anyway, I I I wasn't surprised by these arguments. I think they're... They've decided they did enough with Roe v Wade, and they're... I think they're a little nervous to push it further in general. I don't know. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 34:00
We're just... There's a dangerous trend here. At some point, is having a glass of wine illegal because that leads to sex and unwanted pregnant? I mean, where do they stop here? And it's bad for the economy. People... Access to access to bodily autonomy is important for the economy. I mean, it's just people are gonna stop having sex. People are gonna stop falling in love. People are... I mean, everybody assumes... There's this weird mythology that the pattern is you meet, you you you, you know, you bump into each other in a bookstore, and you gaze at each other, and you accidentally meet again, and you fall in love, and then you have sex and you get married. Guess what? A lot of people go out, get fucked up, have sex, and decide they like each other after that. I mean... And you're gonna start... The last thing we need to do is stop young people being physical and having and and having sex. Young... I mean, my advice to young people is drink more and go out and make a series of bad decisions that might end up in the right... You know, that might end up being wonderful. That... It's like, when I was a kid, don't know about you, my parents were worried I was gonna get into too much trouble. I'm worried my kids aren't gonna get into enough trouble. And the idea that we're gonna take away a woman's right to take a very healthy, very safe, very inexpensive means of bodily autonomy, it just... Mean, none of this makes any fucking sense.
Kara Swisher · 35:21
Yep. I think this... I think these Supremes are like, we've done enough, and we're not gonna do anymore. That's... I think they're nervous about what they did, and they are not gonna push it further. Maybe, you know, like Alito or or Thomas might, but the rest of them are like, what have we done, essentially? That's... I I know that sounds crazy, but I have a feeling they've been doing a lot of appearances together, like Amy Coney Barrett and Sotomayor. You've seen them.
Scott Galloway · 35:47
Oh, they're working on their brand. No brand has fallen further faster.
Kara Swisher · 35:50
They have. So they're like, we do get along, and we are in a lot more alignment than you think. And so I think those arguments... The same thing with the, with the Internet arguments that they are gonna push back on the... Around those ridiculous rules in Texas and Florida and also Missouri. We'll see where it goes. I would agree with you. I agree. It's it's... This is kind of ridiculous, and they will they will rule in favor of being able... The FDA in this case. Anyway, Scott, let's pivot to a listener question. This question comes from Susan. Let's listen.
Guest · 36:28
Hi, Karen Scott. This is Susan from Syracuse. I love your show. It's always informative and entertaining. Okay. Here's my question. My son works intact and lost his job recently. He has some interviews. But how much does appearance matter? I suggest that he lose the scruffy facial hair. He says it doesn't matter. Plus, we have a long running argument about thank you notes. I told him to always send a thank you note after an interview. He says no. So do they matter? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Kara Swisher · 37:04
Okay. That's a good question. Susan from Syracuse. Thank you. I'm gonna start. He works in tech, lost his job. Louis Swisher, who I'm about to go see in Buenos Aires this week, has a mustache I'm not... I like now, but I worry about working. It's definitely a look. He looks like Pedro Pascal during one of his roles and stuff. He looks like Che. Yeah. And so I do worry if he's looking for a job if he can have this facial hair. And I I don't say I don't like it because I kinda do now. I'm used to it. It's... It looks like a worm on his... Under his nose. And it's a really pronounced one. He's going for something, and he's growing his hair really long. And, you know, I I I don't wanna say anything. He's gonna... Maybe he'll hear this. I don't know. But I think it looks great. And at the same time, I do worry if he's... Unless he's gonna be an actor or a chef that maybe he's gonna be both of those things. He would have a harder time getting a job. I was thinking about that the other day. As to thank you notes, I don't know. I don't send them, so I don't know what to say. I think you probably should send some kind of note after an interview to say thank you for the interview. Probably, that's a good thing to do and remind people of three or four things you said. Use it as an advantage. Scott?
Scott Galloway · 38:18
I'll make a couple of things. The reason Louis Swisher has a caterpillar under his nose is because he has rich parents. Yeah. The reality of the workplace is the following. Appearance matters a great deal.
Kara Swisher · 38:29
It does.
Scott Galloway · 38:29
A great deal. And you know what? It sucks to be a grown up. And if you wanna get a job at a major platform, you don't wanna give them any excuse not to hire you. And I'm I'm gonna go to very basics here because some of the same things apply in the workforce as they do in mating. Women are drawn to men for three reasons in terms of potential mating partners. Number three, kindness. Number two is intellect. And number one is their ability to signal resources. But physically, women are drawn to men with some facial hair because it expresses masculinity as long as it's well kept. Big biceps and big chest because that intimate strength that you'll be able to protect their young. And what I think in a modern age where where physical strength isn't as important, the reason why women are still attracted to men who are in great shape is it reflects a few things. It reflects a commitment. It reflects responsibility. It reflects discipline. It reflects self worth and self love. And when you walk in... And, you know, I coach a bunch of young men. The first fucking thing you need to do when you start looking for a job is you need to go get a navy blue suit from Suit Supply and watch a bunch of videos from George Hahn, and you need to look outstanding. You need to look outstanding. You need to look like you take pride and you make an effort. And whatever report they ask you to do, whatever piece of work they ask you to work on, you're gonna bring that same diligence and that same perfection to that work that you bring to your appearance. You can't be Brad Pitt if you're not good looking, but you can be the best version of yourself, and you can control certain aspects of your appearance in your dress. You you need help. Every man should have a woman, a gay man, or a mother with decent taste and say, I need to look outstanding in these interviews and let them take over.
Kara Swisher · 40:17
Let me let me push back a tiny bit. Let me push back. I dress really sloppily, I would say. I wear a lot of soft pants, and I
Scott Galloway · 40:23
You're already rich.
Kara Swisher · 40:24
Yes. I know, but I always did. I'm just saying I always did. So if you're... If you do great work, you tend to be able to... Like, in tech, a lot of the people look like unmade beds. They do. They do. They dress like they look unmade beds. And so in tech, it doesn't necessarily transmit that unless you're in the sales department or HR or something else because that's the whole meme about tech. Scruffy is the look. So I don't know if it applies in every industry. I would not agree with you because scruffy is something.
Scott Galloway · 40:53
A couple of things. One, my advice to anyone... Young listening to this is assume you are not Kara Swisher. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that you are
Kara Swisher · 41:00
Or Mark Zuckerberg.
Scott Galloway · 41:01
That you are that you are more talented than your average bear, which gives you more latitude around this type of thing. And if you're in the tech industry, there might be a different decorum. I think Sam Altman looks great. He wears T shirts, but I think he looks great.
Kara Swisher · 41:15
He does.
Scott Galloway · 41:15
So what I'm saying is
Kara Swisher · 41:16
you need Gay man. Gay man.
Scott Galloway · 41:18
There you go. Everyone needs a gay friend. I I realize this is bigoted or whatever. They have better taste in this shit than you.
Kara Swisher · 41:25
Many do. Not all of them, but, yes, you're right. Go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 41:28
Well... But... Okay. Chances are... Or get your mom or get your girlfriend. Right? There's something about the heterosexual male that part of their brain typically does not function very well, and they think it's okay to go in without showering or, like, even shit... Little shit, like personal grooming. Don't have dirty nails. Don't have chapped lips.
Kara Swisher · 41:46
Bill Gates used to show up unshowered to meetings. He came on to the Washington... I'll never forget it. He looked like an unmade bed who didn't shower.
Scott Galloway · 41:53
Well, he can do that. He can do that. And Steve Jobs didn't wear shoes and would not shower.
Kara Swisher · 41:58
He looked good. Steve Jobs always looked good, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 42:01
Why on earth would you not stack everything that you can control in your favor? And looking good and being in shape says to the world you have discipline, and you're gonna bring the same discipline and attention to detail to this job as you're bringing to your parents.
Kara Swisher · 42:16
What about a thank you note? Very briefly. Thank you notes.
Scott Galloway · 42:19
I think a written thank you note is really powerful because it stands out. And it also gives... It it creates another impression, just a reminder of you with that person. It's general best practice at business school. You always follow-up. Thank you for your time. And then go on and reiterate your strengths and how much you were born to do this job, and you'd be the best in the world. I especially love written notes because they're really... Whenever I get a written note with a handwritten note, I read it, and it has a different meaning for me.
Kara Swisher · 42:47
Well, there you have it. Susan, thank you for your questions. I think it just depends in a lot of ways, but we both believe in the thank you note in any case. If you got a question of your own and you'd like it answered, send it our way. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 44:31
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 44:34
So we're recording before Sam Bank can free the sentence. I think he's gonna get hit hard. I I think he handled himself. He was so poorly advised around how to handle this. You know, the whole, oh, I made him... You know, I didn't know. I didn't... And then everyone flipped on them and gave states evidence. And now granted that the company's recovered or it's recovered, it's gonna end up... All of its debtors are gonna get paid a 100¢ on the dollars on the dollar because the market has recovered so aggressively in crypto. But I think they're gonna make an example, this kid. I think he handled I think he handled himself terribly through this process, and I think they wanna send a message to the crypto community. Boys don't fuck with us. And if you just look at the data, he purposely decided to be in The Bahamas. He purposely decided to be sleeping with and doing drugs with his coworkers. What do you think?
Kara Swisher · 45:24
I don't know. This judge has been pretty tough on him and is angry about some of his behavior. They don't have to give him that much time, but I think they will give him a significant amount of time. Know, I don't think he's gonna... Even if they pulled back some of the money, I I don't don't think think this this judge much likes how he behaved. And he kept violating things like using a VPN and stuff like... He did a bunch of stuff that I think showed a lack of interest, and he he can't keep... Speaking of unmade beds, he can't keep pretending you're, like, a feckless unmade bed at this point, and that's why you deserve more... Just more more mercy. I just don't think you can. I think that's what he's been doing. And Kaplan is not like the argument that there was no loss. He calls it misleading, logically flawed, and speculative. I just think this judge is gonna not throw the book, but he's gonna give him a pretty hefty book at his head. I think that's what's happening. I think you're right. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see very soon. We'll know by the time we talk next time. Okay. That's the show. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot. Scott, can you please read us out?
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Scott Galloway · 46:34
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