Scott Galloway · 35:33
And he looks away like a dog that's done something wrong and just to pretend... And does... Pretends like he doesn't see me. And so, anyways, my fashion my fashion is embarrassing.
Kara Swisher · 35:42
I like that entire outfit. I like the entire outfit. I'm glad you showed off for them and didn't dress up. By the way, it's a hunt. It's like two degrees here on the East Coast. You're lucky to be in Florida wearing wearing flip flops and a and a and a lesbian Zoo Tech t shirt. Alright. Wins and fails, Scott Galloway. We'll see what happens to Amazon. They're gonna... They they definitely have an uphill battle in that way. Wins and fails. Wins and fails.
Scott Galloway · 36:04
I've been doing all the talking. You go first. What are your wins and fails?
Kara Swisher · 36:07
You know, I have a lot of wins and fails. This week, I think there are are democratic process going through despite all the ridiculous lying by the Trump people, and Bill Barr is once again becoming... Doing something awful again this week by looking like he's got his nose for so far up Trump's butt that it's... That he's coming out his mouth. That's the fail. It continues to be the fail that these people who just will do anything to stay close to Trump. And then I think the biggest fail this week for me is Trump attacking Greta Thunberg and making a remark about her Asperger's, like, she... That she should chill and she, you know, she should smile more. It just was like, literally, his wife is going be better, like, or be nicer or whatever the hell her stupid thing is because it's, like, meaningless, is, is just appalling. He's just an appalling person to attack a kid. He did it before with her. He's obviously jealous that she's on the cover of Time. So that was irritating to me, but but it wasn't shocking that Bill Barr and Donald Trump act terribly. Yeah. And the win was actually... And I tweeted it. It was this video that, Michelle Obama did where she gave... She went to a local school in Washington, DC, and it was for some Allen giveaway, but ended up, you know, giving stuff to the school, but it was so meaningful, this video, and it would just made you go, oh, those people who are good to people. Like, these kids got a new computer lab and a basketball court, and they got iPads and stuff like that. But this group of kids who just are in a terrible part of Washington and this this vice principal who's just amazing, just makes you... Restores your faith in humanity. And I know it was, you know, it was a movie trying to talk to my emotions, but it was like, oh my god. Good people again. Like, seeing Michelle Obama and how thrilled the kids were to see her and hear her name. These kids knew just who she was, was... Were so happy. She's such a hero to them. And it was, like, such a contrast to me that those two things is, you know, it just is like... They're just disgusting people, and and there are... But there is great hope out in the world. These kids deserve the same... We could do that for every school district instead of some... Just handing money at rich people. It's just really... It was really quite a contrast. Thank you. That's my wins and fails. Merry Christmas or happy holidays or whatever you're supposed to say.
Scott Galloway · 38:15
Okay. So my my win was the show Silicon Valley. I thought they captured in a like a real... I think humor is so powerful. I think they captured kind of the eccentricities, and just for anyone who's out there playing drinking games, they captured the gestalt of Silicon I thought they did a fantastic job. I thought... And all that...
Kara Swisher · 38:33
They did.
Scott Galloway · 38:34
I I learned from the show. You could tell that the consultants on the show really did their job, and when they built into the storyline things like encryption or or or quantum computing, it felt... And I don't have enough domain expertise to know if it was real or accurate, but it felt accurate. And I think a lot of people learned kinda some some of the nuance and some of the problems and upside of technology in a thoughtful humorous A
Kara Swisher · 38:58
lot of us... They brought a lot of people like me and and many others. Dick Costello was working on the show speaking of Twitter. He was... Back to
Scott Galloway · 39:04
you. What a shocker. It's been three minutes.
Kara Swisher · 39:06
I'm just saying. They did. You're so jealous this week. You you should be jealous. Jealous.
Scott Galloway · 39:11
But that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Kara Swisher · 39:12
Be jealous this week. That's fair. You're not gonna break me on this. I love myself. There you go. I've always really loved myself.
Scott Galloway · 39:21
Be with you forever. You demonstrate that. You you yourself act
Kara Swisher · 39:25
for life, though. You're right. The conjoined triangles of success, the lawyer, the guy who played the lawyer, just down to everybody was like Russ Hammond.
Scott Galloway · 39:32
Was amazing. That guy, I don't remember him. He was in that show Big Love, which was... He played a...
Kara Swisher · 39:38
Yes. Gavin Brace. Yes.
Scott Galloway · 39:40
He played a Mormon pastor
Kara Swisher · 39:41
and a
Scott Galloway · 39:42
very kind of... Anyways, but my my win is Silicon Valley. My loss, and this is gonna sound, I was self conscious about coming up with this one because it sounds very partisan being working at NYU. But I think my losses or my fail is Cornell Tech. And that is, I was really excited about a third world class university coming to Manhattan. I think it was a coup for Bloomberg. I thought he showed a lot of leadership and vision bringing a third university here.
Kara Swisher · 40:10
They were going to Roosevelt Island. Is that right?
Scott Galloway · 40:12
They're on... But see, you said they're going to Roseville Island. That's really telling, and that's my point. They've been there for three years. And here's the thing. I taught their first semester. I was super excited about it. The tech community in New York is either the second or third most robust, depending on the metric you use. It's it's been like a tree falling in the forest. You wouldn't you wouldn't know they're even here if you didn't know they're here. I think it's because they've taken a traditional academic slow, totally nonrelevant research, uninspiring events. How can Cornell Tech not have the premier technology gatherings East Of The Mississippi every year? Let's go over there.
Kara Swisher · 40:54
Let's take whatever you take to Rose about. What do have to do to get on with Maybe
Scott Galloway · 40:58
a better way to approach that, and that is that we should offer, we would be interested in doing something at Cornell Tech, although NYU will say, what the fuck are you doing? But Well, they do not. Yeah. I was so excited about the potential. Think about the potential for a tech campus in New York. It just has so much We could
Kara Swisher · 41:15
do a stunt. We could like, say, like, put you in a cannon and show it. Like, you know that thing you tweeted about the physics professor doing all the things No. To make their step is very No.
Scott Galloway · 41:24
The only stunt we're gonna do over and over.
Kara Swisher · 41:25
Shoot you out of a cannon to Roosevelt Island into the seat.
Scott Galloway · 41:29
You and your magnificent hair, me in a poochy dress in high heels, hello Adam and Rebecca Newman. That's how we roll. That is just
Kara Swisher · 41:36
That's how we been cast by cousin Greg is playing Adam Newman, not you.
Scott Galloway · 41:41
Sorry, my friend. He's gonna be great
Kara Swisher · 41:42
in that.
Scott Galloway · 41:43
He's a really talented kid. Anyways, my loss, and I I feel like it's a little bit... I don't know. I don't know if it's inappropriate, but I wanna...
Kara Swisher · 41:50
That's alright.
Scott Galloway · 41:51
I think that... I don't think Cornell Tech is is living up to their potential, and I think it could be an enormous
Kara Swisher · 41:57
I don't know if it's inappropriate. That's my favorite thing so far of this show.
Scott Galloway · 42:01
Yeah. Yeah. As if that ever stopped me before. Should we go... Anyways, Cornell Tech, an offer out there. We would love to... Maybe we do a live pivot at Cornell Tech, but it could be an incredible asset for Manhattan. Let's do We
— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 42:12
will do it. We will go there. However, we'll row across the... Whatever river that is, the East River. We'll row across the East River. You and I together, little rowboat. It'll be so safe and fantastic. Anyway, that's a great idea. Alright. Scott, predictions, then we gotta get out of here.
Scott Galloway · 42:26
I just have one prediction, and Joanna Cole's got me thinking about this, and I have some experience with this, and that is with my kids, my boys, and that is I think the greatest... I think in 2020, we're gonna start hearing
Kara Swisher · 42:42
a
Scott Galloway · 42:42
lot more about the effects of pornography on young men. When I think about where people spend their time online, you think, okay, Amazon, and it's massively disrupted retail. Facebook and Google, which has massively disrupted the media industry. And it's it's kinda naive to think that the next largest category of time spent online, porn, isn't gonna have tremendous disruptive impact. I wonder what it's doing I wonder what it's doing to relationships. I'm wondering what it's doing to men's... Young men's ability to establish relationships, to their perception of the role sex plays in a relationship. Because when I was growing up, my access to pornography was once a week or two weeks, I would sneak out my dad's Playboy and look at it for twenty minutes in the garage. That was literally the exposure. And then when cable TV came along, I would watch r rated movies after my parents were asleep, but I wasn't... Literally nowadays Access. They're finding that there's a large portion of teenage men, or boys I should say, who are spending somewhere between two and five hours a day watching hardcore pornography. And
Kara Swisher · 43:51
know? And then also all that other porn that's like the local, the people doing it themselves, and also then it turns into revenge porn and stuff like that, which is really We're in midst
Scott Galloway · 44:01
of the largest experiment on humanity ever conducted, and we have no idea what the outcomes are gonna be. And it's gonna... I think it's gonna impact marriages, household formation, and the thing is, no no male academic can really get into this because they're immediately seen as weird. Female academics don't seem to be that interested in it. So, we have we have a dearth of real high quality evidence based peer review research around it, but I think it's bubbling up. I think a lot of the things we're seeing about young men failing, about relationships, about people getting married later, about some of the misogyny that's manifesting itself online. I think we're gonna start finding a reverse engineering into the... One of the biggest... The, you know, quite frankly, the biggest sources of the biggest usage categories online, and that's porn. So anyways, my prediction is that I have to say a porn. To see lot more news porn.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 44:54
By this one. I like it. You know, it's interesting because representative Katie Hill wrote a piece for the New York Times this week talking about revenge porn and say her... The title of it, which was really interesting, was It's Not Over After All. I Overcame Desperation I Felt After Stepping Down from Congress. I'm Still in the Fight. She was the one... You know, they did... Her ex put out kind of naughty pictures of her with another woman and whatever. And she she talked about her her suicidal thoughts and stuff like that and everything else. And it was really it was really quite something about what she what she ended up doing. And and it was... You should read it if you haven't read it. And she said, you know, she she decided to, like, keep going. She said, I don't think she should have stepped down from Congress, in my feeling.
Scott Galloway · 45:40
I agree. Don't think she should have either. I think her and Al I think neither. I think I think she's the Al Franken of this generation or this class. I think she absolutely should not have stepped down. I thought that I think that that that the manner in which they went after her trying to slut shame her or whatever it is, it would not have aged well, I think she absolutely... We needed her voice, and we needed that issue to be more present about how... Just how ridiculous and how oppressive... This isn't fucking old Spain. I mean, that was that was ridiculous. Anyway, I
Kara Swisher · 46:12
agree But with she you talked about a suicide, a contentment suicide attempt that impacted this. And it was really it was really something. I was I was surprised and it was very... I was surprised to read it, but I also feel these things have these... They they just degrade humanity, and it's also hard to resist at the same time, I think, in many ways. It's the...
Scott Galloway · 46:31
So you have poise... I... You know, we we took away my... We didn't take away my son's Yeah. My nine year old, but he was typing in things like Harry Potter nude, is pretty
Kara Swisher · 46:39
Yep.
Scott Galloway · 46:40
Pretty innocent, but the stuff that comes up is not innocent.
Kara Swisher · 46:42
Yep. I know. I talk to him about it all the time.
Scott Galloway · 46:45
I talk to the about nine year old, you know, the nine year old boy's brain? Like, I wasn't exposed to anything like that. Anyway I talked
Kara Swisher · 46:53
to them about it almost continually. We talk about the discussion I discussed about online porn. I talked about that's not how women are. So far, so good. But, yes, it's definitely something you have to battle. And and especially how people consider women, how they look at women. Well, just just for people out there, there's
Scott Galloway · 47:09
a seminal a seminal Ted Talk by Cindy Gallup who's been a really, I think, thought leader around this issue called Make Love Not Porn, and she did a Ted Talk about ten years ago that was really Yep. Think kind of
Kara Swisher · 47:19
Cindy's been at front of it. And actually, again, the Times had a good piece this weekend, part of a series about the... These kind of impacts about gaming and children and pedophiles. But they had... They've had a series of articles. Like, there's a reporter who's written all of them with other reporters, but this week's was about video gaming and the the the... It's like a hunting ground for pedophiles. But previously, you can't take things back on YouTube, porn, things like that. It's really... It's quite, especially devastating to children, and so it's worth a read also. But you're right, Cindy Galb's a great, that's a great TED Talk to go to. Big issue, Scott, you surprised me. That's a really good prediction. That's a really good I
Scott Galloway · 47:56
love you. Know what, it's weird. I bring up very maternal instincts in you. You say, shush, you're proud of me, you protect me. It's really... I feel like, I literally feel like at any moment you're gonna take away my iPad and then give me a ride to Little League practice. I I
Kara Swisher · 48:10
hate Little League. I did, my son did it. It takes nine hundred hours to sit there and watch them make one.
Scott Galloway · 48:16
It's awful. You know what's really wonderful though? My boys are really marginal athletes, so it's all gonna be over pretty soon. Oh, really? The worst thing in the world is when your kids are good athletes, because then you end up literally roaming the earth and sitting on a sideline.
Kara Swisher · 48:29
Oh my god. Lacrosse season starts soon. I'm so not looking forward to it. And then now I have another kid who probably will be really athletic. I'm hoping piano or ballet. Even worse. I hate all all that stuff, but I go to it. I go to it, and I clap. Speaking of games, I'm about to interview Megan Rapinoe. What should I ask her besides her fantastic outfits? Well, I mean, my question
Scott Galloway · 48:52
would be my question would be one word. Next question mark. What is she planning to do? Alright. You know, what do all athletes do when their athletes athletic career is over? I hope she doesn't end up on ESPN. She strikes me as very substantive and interesting and has strong leadership skills. What's next for her?
Kara Swisher · 49:07
Alright. I will ask her that. Anyway, it's time for us to go. We'll be back on Tuesday for more tech and business. How are you liking these twice a week things, Scott? I think they're good. This was a very successful
Scott Galloway · 49:17
show. Though. It's a lot of work.
Kara Swisher · 49:19
It's a lot of work. I know it's hard for you to Yeah. Yammer away for an hour.
Scott Galloway · 49:23
One plus one equals one and a half, I think. I think, anyways, this economy is a scale.
Kara Swisher · 49:27
We're gonna... It's... I think they're working out rather well. I hope our our listeners do please let us know. If you're around this week and wanna tell us what you think of the show, let us know by tweeting to us at hashtag pivot podcast with your thoughts on our second show and how you like it. If you like more is better or more is not better, or email us questions at pivot@voxmedia.com. Today's show was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Eric Anderson is Pivot's executive producer. Thanks also to Rebecca Castro and Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. Or if you're an Android user, check us out on Spotify. And, frankly, wherever you listen to podcasts, tune in to Pivot. If you liked our show, please recommend it to a friend or an enemy. We don't care either way. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business.
