Scott Galloway · 47:57
Very nice. Thank you.
Kara Swisher · 47:58
Poetic. Esther Perel, please listen to her miniseries, which sounds frightening, but obviously is not called couples under lockdown. She's obviously a renowned therapist and the host of the podcast. Where should we begin and how's work? Esther, thank you so much. I feel
Speaker · 48:13
so much.
Guest · 48:13
Pleasure. But, Kara, just so you know, the couple in Sicily, that is the episode one for couples under lockdown. I could have called them couples who mate in captivity with the title of my own book, you know. And now we have this new episode coming out in Germany. It's fascinating. It's not scary. It's actually... What it does is even if it's not your particular experience, you will relate And it will... It... It's the reason we read novels. It's the reason stories have carried us through. So don't scare your audience. It actually I won't. I know. Lockdown... I promise. I'll tell you. I'll give you one tip for a lockdown.
Kara Swisher · 48:50
Have a baby with you because it's really lovely with the baby. I mean, I I just had
Scott Galloway · 48:54
It was a business idea. Rent a baby.
Kara Swisher · 48:56
I think I Let's
Scott Galloway · 48:56
rent let's rent babies.
Kara Swisher · 48:57
I'm telling you, I'm a 100% happier because I wake up that baby happy and doesn't know anything that's going on, and it's sort of fantastic.
Guest · 49:04
It's so life affirming to have a baby.
Kara Swisher · 49:06
It is.
Guest · 49:06
Right? So episode one is the story of a midwife.
Kara Swisher · 49:10
Okay. Alright.
Guest · 49:11
Well, we're on it. What is to the world.
Kara Swisher · 49:14
Well, perfect. Thank you so much.
Scott Galloway · 49:16
It's pleasure to you really blessed. Thanks a lot
Guest · 49:17
to you.
Kara Swisher · 49:17
Nice meeting Thanks. Bye. Alright, Scott.
Guest · 49:20
One more quick break, and we'll be
Kara Swisher · 49:22
back for wins and fails.
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Scott Galloway · 50:48
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Kara Swisher · 50:52
Okay, Scott. We're back with wins
Guest · 50:54
and fails. Was that great, Scott, or what?
Scott Galloway · 50:57
Feel so
Guest · 50:57
much better.
Scott Galloway · 50:58
Do I feel better. I feel so much more sophisticated. I forgot to get one of those Flemish French
Kara Swisher · 51:03
erotic. You like the word erotic.
Scott Galloway · 51:04
Yeah. But when she says it,
Kara Swisher · 51:05
it Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 51:06
It seems legitimate. I don't know. It just felt... All of that felt very, I don't know, very TED meets PhD meets meets Europe meets... She's a very... By the way, have you listened to her TED talk?
Kara Swisher · 51:17
I do. I love... I listen to Astaire's podcast all the time. I think it's great. It's about... You know, I try to invest in relationships by doing the homework, my friend.
Scott Galloway · 51:24
Yeah. I know. Everything's perfect at the Swishers.
Guest · 51:27
No. It's not perfect, but I'm just telling you.
Kara Swisher · 51:29
I do listen to her because I think she's incredibly wise. We had her at South by Southwest last year, and I think it's really important. I think the most important she... Of the many very wise things she said there was was articulating what you're feeling. Like, saying, I need five minutes. I need this. Stop talking to me. And I think that does really help it without being articulate exactly what you're feeling, not a sidelight of what you're feeling.
Scott Galloway · 51:52
Yeah, there's a bunch of interesting observations. I'm observing my friends, and what I find is a lot of us are very focused on broader relationships. How do I be a good boss? How do I be a good citizen? And sometimes at the expense of, well, charity begins at home. How do be a better dad and better husband? You know? It just sort of... There's, but you know what? You know who thinks I'm just doing an amazing job with my relationships at home? Who? Vodka. Vodka, Kara.
Guest · 52:21
Oh, god. She said nothing of liquor.
Kara Swisher · 52:23
Now listen. Now that we've got you in a better frame of mind sort
Scott Galloway · 52:27
of me.
— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 52:28
That... So so now you're, like, three feet deep right now, which is I think the the most depth we've gotten from you. What are your wins and fails? What are... This is an extra long podcast.
Scott Galloway · 52:37
Are you with first, because I wanna end on an optimistic note. I believe that there is going to be... I think we might be looking at... I think I'll start... I think Fox News or News Corp. Fox News, which was not sold to Disney, it was it was spun out. I think Fox News is gonna be sold under the financial strain of lawsuits. There are gonna be so many interesting correlations versus causation and, data sets looking at what drove higher infection rates. And I've come to believe, and this is an incendiary statement, and I think it's true though, I think one of the things we're gonna find has resulted in a higher incidence of infection across America when you test for income, when you test for region, when you test for age, it's gonna be viewership of Fox News. When I look back on Fox News on YouTube, they have been so consistently behind. They have been so brazen in their recommendations around getting back to work, around going to the pub, around around promoting a narrative that has, in my view, been reckless. And I believe courts will listen and entertain the notion that it has been that it has been absolutely damaging to national health. I think what happened to the cigarette companies in the eighties is about to happen to News Corp, and that's my fail. And my... Also along those same lines, a university, and I think this university actually has done a good job. I think it's not a university where I would teach, but I think they're gonna come under tremendous legal scrutiny is Liberty University in Kentucky who has decided after... I mean, can't tell you. I've been on the phone with the dean of my business school, and they are spending so much time. Three weeks ago, they were talking about how do we decrease the density in the dorms? How do we make sure that our technology is up and running if and when we move to remote? They were so concerned and on... So on the right side of being cautious, thinking about things I never even would have dreamt of. And then you have Jesse Falwell junior, Jerry Falwell junior, calling people back to school and claiming it's a hoax.
Kara Swisher · 54:44
And they're forced. Did you see that New York... That that New York Times? She's a... I think she... Elizabeth Williamson, who's amazing. She's like, someone off the record said, we can't say anything because we work here, but please find a way to get us out of here. Like, they're under, like, a cult or a prison or it's really bizarre. That place is one bizarre. Nobody can speak out. And it's run... And he's insane. Like, he's he's just he's just a menace. I don't know how else.
Scott Galloway · 55:07
Well, to be fair, I actually think the university's done a lot of wonderful things. There's people with different ideologies. They they've been great for the community. I think it's a university with actually decent, I'm gonna go out on a limb here, probably decent academics. I think universities take different shapes. And unfortunately, universities, we've decided that we are tolerant of people who don't look like us, but people who don't think like us. And even though Liberty thinks different than us, I think it's a university.
Kara Swisher · 55:29
I'm talking about not being I a
Scott Galloway · 55:31
I 100%.
Kara Swisher · 55:32
I'm talking about that.
Scott Galloway · 55:32
My point, they're gonna come under tremendous scrutiny, my fail here is I believe that Fox is having its tobacco moment and they're gonna come under tremendous legal scrutiny.
Kara Swisher · 55:40
I would agree. I actually, oddly enough, right in front of me I have an essay that I'm thinking of putting in the Times called a Murdoch Ate My Mother's Brain, and she... How much... How little information she had and how how hard it was. And when those lawsuits came... I mean, I talked about it with my brother. I'm like, she is actually, like... I... I'd love to see the emails internally. It's... If there's discovery, if someone if someone actually die... Like, who who... Whose parents have died or something like that because of this, and there's actual emails and they do discovery inside of Fox about what... How they made these editorial decisions, it could be devastating. I think there probably are emails internally.
Scott Galloway · 56:18
Exhibit one will be, Okay, what drives mortality? We know it's age, we know it's how healthy you are, underlying conditions, whether it's asthma, whether it's cancer treatment. We know that men appear to be more vulnerable, but we don't know. Again, we'll have to screen out if it's because men are less healthy or they smoke more, whatever it might be. But I think you're going to find that an indicator here or a signal is viewership of Fox over other media. Anyways
Kara Swisher · 56:41
Yeah. It'll be interesting from a legal perspective, but I'd love to get the discovery on how they made their editorial decisions. And, of course, I'm a journalist, it's sort of like, know, they're gonna obviously use the First Amendment, which they they should use. But I I cannot imagine there were not very clear decisions made. You know, it's interesting because they fired Trish Reagan and they're doing things now, which is they've sort
Scott Galloway · 57:03
of shifted Well, they're trying to play catch up.
Kara Swisher · 57:04
But here's
Scott Galloway · 57:05
the good news.
Kara Swisher · 57:08
Still the content.
Scott Galloway · 57:08
They don't have the Content Decency Act. They don't have the same legal shield as tech, right? They're actually evaluated legally by the same standards as other media companies. They can't fall back to this.
Kara Swisher · 57:19
Well, they have the First Amendment. They have the First Amendment, and they should use that.
Scott Galloway · 57:23
Going be a very interesting conversation. So my win, if you think about the vital organs, if you think about how we live our life, I think if there was one place that embodied sort of joy and passion and what I'll call throwing caution to the wind. I don't want to say throwing caution to the wind but a passion for life. I think if there was one place in the world that embodied one of the wonderful things about our species and our culture it would be Italy. I think the colors, I think the beauty, the fashion, the food, the the emphasis on family and and love and affection and beauty. Italy, it looks as if their curve is beginning to flatten there. And that while it has, almost a third of all the reported coronavirus deaths, it looks as if the lockdown is starting to work, and we're starting to see a reduction in the number of new cases and death. And it sounds... It feels to me like Italy is moving to the right side of this. And that's not to say that they don't have to be vigilant, but, I think we can all take comfort from the fact that a Western nation in a place of such extraordinary, beauty and grace is starting to get a handle on this. So Italy is my win today. I think that the first moment we see a Western nation start to turn this thing back and flatten the curve, I think it's going to be an enormous sign of hope. And I think that light has been illuminated in Italy.
Kara Swisher · 58:44
That's a good one. That's a good one. I think we've taken far too long. All of the people in the West have compared to other places still. And it... It'll be it'll be interesting afterwards when we start to count up what should have happened and... For the future. I think it's critically important to do that. I'm gonna do, I'm not gonna do... Well, you know, this obsession with ratings and Trump is weird and strange. I hope it haunts him forever, the idea that his ratings are up because of death, which is sort of a little depressing. But I think I'm going look at a couple of people. One was Yamichi Alcindor. He's just an amazing reporter there. Bill Gates, I think, is being a really great voice. And, you know, he's... Talk about prep. He's talked about this. I've interviewed him. He's talked about this kind of
Scott Galloway · 59:27
Well, his head talk. A long time. He basically laid this out.
Kara Swisher · 59:30
Yeah. Yep. Yep. Exactly. And so I think this is... He's really doing a great job. And you're right. He's being nonpolitical. He's just laying it out. But he's still being firm. He's like, this is insane not to keep quarantine. Like, he's very firm. He's a little Fauci like in that regard, sort of threading that needle. But I think I'm going to actually give it to San Francisco because my brother just wrote me from the hospital. He's there today. He's been there since early this morning. And he goes, Things are looking semi stable here. I really think Newsom and London Breed, who's the mayor, Gavin Newsom and London Breed,
Scott Galloway · 1:00:04
the mayor
Kara Swisher · 1:00:04
of San Francisco, the governor of California, did a good deed locking us down when they did. Still too early to say we are clear, but it's looking up,
Scott Galloway · 1:00:12
which was great. Yeah. California looks like they're on the right side of this as well. California looks like they're... Yep.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:18
Yeah. That's why he's... He thinks the governor and the mayor of San Francisco and the mayor of, Los Angeles, he's not in Los Angeles, but did a great job in terms of being leaders, which I think was great. So that is a happy thing. When I got that text this morning, I felt so much better. I'm very nervous about my So brother's it felt really great. Yes. Scott, another week. Hopefully we will talk about other things besides panoptic stuff.
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 1:00:42
That's right.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:45
We won't. So you go back to Tiger King, you have a good week. I hope Astaire helped you through this a little bit and that you're that you're doing well.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:54
This is an acceleration of a lot of trends. The major trend in my life is that I hate my life less and less every day. So as as is always the case after forty five minutes with you, I hate my life a little bit less. Just a little a skosh less, A skosh. Just a skosh less.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:09
A skosh less. Well, Scott, enjoy your vodka this week, but but get some time out by yourself. Get... Have a little Scott time. Have a little Scott time. Okay? Okay. Don't forget.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:19
Good enough.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:21
Little Scott time. Don't forget if you have a story in the news you're curious about and wanna hear our opinion on, email us at pivot@voxmedia.com to be featured on the show. Scott, please read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:32
Today's episode was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Our executive producer producer is Erica Anderson. Special thanks to Drew Burrows and Rebecca Castro. If you like what you heard, please download our podcast. Wherever you download podcast, tune in later in the week for a breakdown of all things tech and business. Well done, Italy, the home of grace and beauty and love and passion and also confidence in being ahead of the curve. They are kicking this thing's ass. Well done.
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