Kara Swisher · 18:20
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Kara Swisher · 19:31
Scott, come back. Tell your story.
Scott Galloway · 19:33
So I'm getting on a helicopter to go to Montauk because that's how the big dog rolls.
Kara Swisher · 19:37
What's your on? Blade?
Scott Galloway · 19:38
And... Yeah. I'm on I'm on Blade, which is literally like douchebag air. Oh, yeah. Anyway, so the guy, I don't even know you call it, with the lights and the yellow vests He's waving the helicopter in. Yeah. Right? He's like guiding him in left, right, whatever, which is the ultimate invisible until you fuck up job. You're totally anonymous, and then you might become infamous for a brief moment. Anyways, we're going out trying to make sure that the tall guy, the big bird guy doesn't get decapitated by this blade spinning at 1,100 RPMs and he's you know got a pretty important job and he looks at me and then he looks back and then he whips his head to me and stops doing his very important job and goes and screams out, where's Kara? So literally people again, we're conjoined twins. People think that we just roll together.
Kara Swisher · 20:21
Don't out.
Scott Galloway · 20:22
We don't hang out. You fight me out all the time. I do. You always say you're gonna take me out to dinner and then what do I get? Nothing. I gave you a part. You know who loves me and is pretending she doesn't know me? She's my new crush. Who? Maureen Dowd.
Kara Swisher · 20:33
Oh, yeah. She was there.
Scott Galloway · 20:34
Oh my. She comes. She's like, hi. I'm Maureen Dowd. And I'm like, you're a saucy. You know who I am. You know who I am. She... She's seen the dog at the park playing with his ball. She knows who I am.
Kara Swisher · 20:46
You know what? Maureen Dowd.
Scott Galloway · 20:48
Oh my gosh.
Kara Swisher · 20:49
She got Nancy Pelosi to give up some good stuff.
Scott Galloway · 20:51
Oh, that was huge. That was big Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 20:54
There's a fight with squad. So it was at a... Like, okay. That's gonna be my win. Morning dad won this week by getting Nancy Pelosi and the squad into a fight. And then Nancy Pelosi is saying don't tweet to them... To the squad. You can't do
Scott Galloway · 21:04
that. That's your win.
Kara Swisher · 21:06
It's not my win, but it was it was fascinating. My win, obviously, is Megan Rapinoe.
Scott Galloway · 21:09
Yeah. That was... That's inspiring, incredible. You know what's a great forward looking indicator? My son's eight and 11. They're in town, and we were gonna hang out. They're like, no. We're watching the women's final. And they... We were just... It was... That was an amazing game. Was it... What's her name? The woman from Madison, Wisconsin? Probably one of the greatest goals soccer history.
Kara Swisher · 21:26
She was great. Rose Lavelle. Rose Lavelle.
Scott Galloway · 21:28
Thank
Kara Swisher · 21:28
you. Thank you. Thank you. But I think Megan Rapinoe is really interesting, and she's sort of using this media moment everywhere on Twitter, on on stuff. You know, saying, I want everything. I deserve everything, essentially, which is... You know, confident women is not something you can see a lot. Right. You do see confident women, but she's really aggressively confident, which is great. And Uh-huh. And then she's using it to say, you know, we have to be better. We've gotta love more, hate less. She talks about making the world a better place, and then she talks directly to Trump. Your message is excluding people. You're excluding me. It's just a really interesting use of all the mediums Yeah. But her now and this team.
Scott Galloway · 22:02
And it's weird too because the reaction when a female athlete kinda commands the space she occupies, it's seen as obnoxious. Yeah. Look at what dudes do. Oh, yeah. The celebrations and how obnoxious they are.
Kara Swisher · 22:14
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 22:14
But when a woman does it, it's oh, no.
Kara Swisher · 22:16
Oh, I think people like it. I think a lot of people... I think she'll get used to it. They they better get used to it because that's the way lesbians roll. And that's what we're gonna do. I do that all the time. It's because when I did a podcast once and someone was like, why do you think you do well? Said, because I'm fantastic. And they were like, well, isn't that? Was like, what? What? They was intro... The reaction was fascinating. And the fail to me this week is the Zoom for Mac, with the major security vulnerability. I think they've had a good run-in the stock market, but Yeah. They have a camera business on your computer or your phone or something like that. So those
Scott Galloway · 22:46
are love Zoom. Do you
Kara Swisher · 22:47
use Zoom? I do all the time. Yeah. It's great. I love it. I love it. It's a great product.
Scott Galloway · 22:50
Yeah. We predicted that was gonna be one of the better IPOs.
Kara Swisher · 22:53
Yeah. But they can't have a security vulnerability in their cameras. They just can't Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 22:56
No. If the camera on my computer is recording shit, it is gonna be And that's their business. Highly embarrassing for me.
Kara Swisher · 23:00
Business. That's their business. So what is your, win and fail?
Scott Galloway · 23:03
So actually, I'm gonna go my fail is the dispute between AOC and Pelosi. I think Putin and his bitch, the president, would love to see the Democrats go after each other. We're falling into their hands. Yeah. And AOC is the Muhammad Ali of our generation. She's brave. She's amazing. And Nancy Pelosi is the Nancy Pelosi of our generation.
Kara Swisher · 23:23
Alright. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 23:24
The two of them should literally lock hands and say, all right, we're the peanut butter and chocolate of this shit and we're going to do our job. So the notion in any way to see them not hand in hand, it's like, all right, get in a room and hug it out because they're too important and their team is too proud of everything.
Kara Swisher · 23:40
Like... And she... And Chloe's gotta protect the
Scott Galloway · 23:42
middle I don't agree with but I'm I'm with her.
Kara Swisher · 23:44
I know. But she's gotta protect the middle. She's gotta protect the ones that got her there, which is
Scott Galloway · 23:49
the middle. Doors.
Kara Swisher · 23:50
Behind... So they just Behind
Scott Galloway · 23:50
closed doors.
Kara Swisher · 23:51
Do that, and every now and then a bad tweet.
Scott Galloway · 23:53
I just don't think they start snipping at each other. I just don't... I think that's it.
Kara Swisher · 23:56
And then Kelly Hemmway jumped in and used a a phrase
Scott Galloway · 23:59
from That's it.
Kara Swisher · 24:00
Yeah. Well, she used the word cat fight, made her look stupid. It's like we're not back in dynasty days. Right. She used the word cat fight.
Scott Galloway · 24:05
There you go.
Kara Swisher · 24:06
Anyways What is your win this week?
Scott Galloway · 24:08
My win is kind of strange. It's the United States Navy. So The Navy? I have a close friend Connie Halquist whose husband, commander Brian Cowen, passed away a few weeks ago and was laid to rest with full military honors. And this is a super impressive guy who decided to spend twenty years in the Navy. Impressive guy. And obviously speaks well to the Navy to be able to attract him into the service. They have two wonderful kids, Luke and Anna. And then last night I met this young man, Lieutenant Ross Urich. Is that his last name?
Kara Swisher · 24:35
Something like that. He was really impressive.
Scott Galloway · 24:37
Yeah, and I immediately liked him because he was an oarsman like me at Yale. I was at UCLA. And what does he decide to do? Does he go to Wall Street? Does he go to work for Google? No. He goes to medical school at Penn and then goes to Walter Reed to do his residency. And now he's on a ship conducting surgery on young men and women at sea. And I think it just makes me feel a little bit safer knowing people this impressive are standing watch for us. And I think, how does the US Navy how have they created a culture that has and continues to attract such impressive young men and women. And I don't know what it's done, but, you know, hats off to the Navy for standing watch and whatever it is they do to continue to attract some of our best and brightest young men and women. So my winner is the US Navy. I'm feeling very
Kara Swisher · 25:17
patriotic this morning. Because you're in DC. My dad was in the Navy, you know,
Scott Galloway · 25:20
till the Yeah. He was a doctor in the Navy. Right?
Kara Swisher · 25:22
He was a doctor. He's a lieutenant commander. Yeah. He was indeed.
Scott Galloway · 25:25
And where was he just driving? On a ship?
Kara Swisher · 25:27
A lot of places. He actually did a lot of stuff with the... In Assaw. He was on those boats. He was in San Domingo. He was Yeah. You know, he would put him through school. He didn't have money. He was poor and... Or not poor, but not... He couldn't afford college. And it put him through medical school and college. And and then he served until until he got out and he died just right after he got out of uniform. Literally half a year.
Scott Galloway · 25:48
And he was very young. He was 33?
Kara Swisher · 25:50
34.
Scott Galloway · 25:50
34.
Kara Swisher · 25:51
Yeah. So his whole life was in the military,
Scott Galloway · 25:53
which is interesting.
Kara Swisher · 25:54
Yeah. I have wonderful pictures of him. It's it's an interesting place. You know, I wanted to go in the military.
Scott Galloway · 25:57
I don't know Yeah. You told me that.
Kara Swisher · 25:58
Yeah. I made a spy. I wanted to... No. I wanted to be in the military. I wanna be military intelligence. Yeah. I wanted to go around and do
Scott Galloway · 26:04
And what stopped that? How did you end up here at Vox? Gay. Gay stopped that?
Kara Swisher · 26:08
Gay stopped that. I'm old.
Scott Galloway · 26:09
Is there a large
Kara Swisher · 26:10
Don't ask. Don't tell.
Scott Galloway · 26:11
Gay people in
Kara Swisher · 26:12
There are, but they don't tell. They didn't tell back then. I'm gonna talk to Mayor Pete soon about that. I could... I already told, so so you can't go in if you tell.
Scott Galloway · 26:19
And Mayor Pete came out fairly late.
Kara Swisher · 26:21
Right? After he was in the military.
Scott Galloway · 26:22
After he was in the military.
Kara Swisher · 26:23
Yeah. I couldn't don't ask, don't tell. I couldn't
Scott Galloway · 26:25
do it. You just couldn't do it? No. I couldn't. Like, ask me. Ask me. I'm gonna tell you. I want to tell.
Kara Swisher · 26:32
I already told.
Scott Galloway · 26:33
Yeah. Been told.
Kara Swisher · 26:34
It was told. It was impossible.
Scott Galloway · 26:36
You came out you came out when it wasn't cool.
Kara Swisher · 26:38
Before Will very Grace. It hard. Yeah. Before Will and Grace. Yes. Before Ellen. Pre Ellen.
Scott Galloway · 26:42
When it was a bug, not a feature.
Kara Swisher · 26:44
Yes. Exactly. It was problematic. But, anyway, we really wish I had been in the military. That would have been nice. I would be a general right now.
Scott Galloway · 26:50
General is something. I don't... Yeah. That's just frightening. Don't I don't even like to think that.
Kara Swisher · 26:56
I would totally be a... And then I'd have a fight with Trump and, you know, things like that. Be It'd great. Know?
Scott Galloway · 27:00
It's a great idea. My dad took me to Annapolis to try and get me excited about it, mostly because he didn't wanna pay for my college. Mhmm. And I found out, you know, the first year, it's changed now. They weren't allowed off campus.
Kara Swisher · 27:12
Right.
Scott Galloway · 27:12
And then I went to UCLA during sorority rush. I'm like, no. I'm going to UCLA. I'm going to UCLA.
— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 27:17
You in the army. Alright. Predictions, we gotta finish up. We gotta finish up here. I mean, I gotta get you on the train back to New York. That's right. Prediction. We're gonna revisit a prediction from the episode. You were talking about North Korea and the Chinese trade war, And you said within the next ninety days, people are gonna start geopolitically testing the system and Trump's weaknesses. And we're more than halfway mark to that 90 mark, and you were correct.
Scott Galloway · 27:38
Well, look. Again, agency and strength, Our strength is in the agency of others. And when our adversaries see our allies fracturing because of just incredibly poor strategy and weak thought leadership on the part of the administration, they start testing us. And so North Korea is testing us, now Iran is seriously testing us. So this was going to happen, it's only going to get worse, and it's a huge disappointment that we're literally fracturing probably the greatest alliance in the history of mankind, and that's treaty. The North Atlantic allies. It's just incredible to think that we would be this stupid and not think there was gonna be ramifications.
Kara Swisher · 28:18
So at this forty five day, what is the next testing? I don't need Let's double down on your prediction.
Scott Galloway · 28:23
It's difficult. It's difficult to, it could be anything. It could be Russia deciding to, like, quote unquote, do a soft invasion of one of their neighbors. It could be another missile being launched by North Korea, another test. It could be the Iranians spinning up their uranium again. I mean, all sorts of stuff. I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be Canada. I'm pretty sure it's not gonna be Canada.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 28:41
Not doing so well. He might need something.
Scott Galloway · 28:44
Yeah. Guys, that guy... I don't know. That guy's great.
Kara Swisher · 28:46
Yeah. Anyway, he might need to do something. Yeah. Might need to make some
Scott Galloway · 28:49
some tests. Minnesota. That's it. Minneapolis is ours. Tomorrow belongs to me. I mean, basically, Minnesota is Canada,
Kara Swisher · 29:00
isn't managed to mix Nazis, Justin Trudeau, and Minnesota. I'm not clear how that works.
Scott Galloway · 29:05
I think I'm still a little bit drunk. I had four Makers and Tingers last night at the bar. Alright. So that was nice. Yeah. Oh, and who gave me a ride home? Your ex wife. It's literally like you're you're again, you're the Sultan of Brunei with if you were a man, would be horrified by you. It's like there's wives, ex wives, kids everywhere.
Kara Swisher · 29:25
Yeah. Anyways,
Scott Galloway · 29:26
but... Yeah. I don't know. Well, what
Kara Swisher · 29:28
can I say?
Scott Galloway · 29:28
Oh, back to Barbara.
Kara Swisher · 29:30
Back to Barbara.
Scott Galloway · 29:30
Back to I'm like, you know, and I start thinking, is there a ready teller near here? I mean, I don't know what's gonna happen here.
Kara Swisher · 29:36
We're gonna... Let's get you out of Washington before you end up in the Title Basin with a with a stripper. That is really what's gonna happen. You say that like it's a blast. Can't believe you didn't go to Trump hotel.
Scott Galloway · 29:44
I gotta have my hobbies, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 29:46
Alright. Whatever. I gotta get you out of Washington before there's a scandal du jour. Anyway, there's lots of big political guests coming on Rico Dicot soon. I interviewed, your friend, Michael Bennett, senator Michael Bennett yesterday, and Pete Buttigieg. I loved him. He was very wonky.
Scott Galloway · 30:00
Senator Bennett?
Kara Swisher · 30:01
Yes. Pete Buttigieg is coming in today. You're gonna see him in a second. Are you excited?
Scott Galloway · 30:05
I can't even... That's literally overwhelming.
Kara Swisher · 30:07
Well, he's gonna be here in, like, four minutes. Anyway, Adam Schiff, I'm gonna visit up on Capitol Hill.
Scott Galloway · 30:11
He's a gangster too.
Kara Swisher · 30:12
Yeah. I'm interviewing Lauren Underwood and Andrew Yang, and there's so many political people. I'm gonna I'm gonna hopefully to be talking to Elizabeth Warren soon. Others. Yeah. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 30:23
I think you're super impressive.
Kara Swisher · 30:24
No. Not bad. I mean, what do you... This is gonna be interesting. I'm gonna need your help with questions. Yeah. No. I Give me one for Pete Buttigieg since he's here.
Scott Galloway · 30:31
Why'd you come out so late?
Kara Swisher · 30:33
Well, everyone asked him that. Give me another one.
Scott Galloway · 30:34
And what and what has he said?
Kara Swisher · 30:36
Because I did.
Scott Galloway · 30:37
And what about, I I would be very interested in how serving in the military has changed his view of the world. I think that people who serve alongside brave men and women and put their lives at risk for the country, I just think that's got to change you forever.
Kara Swisher · 30:51
All right.
Scott Galloway · 30:51
I'm I'm going ask curious how you I feel so. And also, quite frankly, is he taking oxygen away from other candidates? Can a gay man who oversees, governs 150,000 people, a third of the size of congressional district? What makes him believe he is qualified to be president other than we have someone totally nonqualified right now?
Kara Swisher · 31:10
Well, that would be an
Scott Galloway · 31:12
you know, is is is America ready for a gay president? I'd like to think so. Do you think America's better
Kara Swisher · 31:16
for We've had a gay president.
Scott Galloway · 31:17
You've had a gay president?
Kara Swisher · 31:18
I'm sure we have.
Scott Galloway · 31:19
Wow. That took everywhere. Really?
Kara Swisher · 31:22
Yeah. But it's back in the eighteen hundreds, so let's forget.
Scott Galloway · 31:24
Oh, really?
Kara Swisher · 31:25
Let's just I
Scott Galloway · 31:27
didn't know that. Yeah. But I'd like to think we're ready. I'm just an enormous fan of his. I think he's got the
Kara Swisher · 31:32
But you think he's taking up too much oxygen. Interesting.
Scott Galloway · 31:35
Well, he's fairly captive in, but good for him. We met the strategy head, the woman who's sort of the mastermind behind the curtain. She's an incredibly impressive person. Met her last night. But yeah, he's look, he's done a great who would have thought? It's just you know what's impressive about these people is they even have the confidence to say, Okay, I'm mayor of a city of 150,000 people. I'm going run for president. That takes a lot of confidence.
Kara Swisher · 31:58
Confidence is one word for it.
Scott Galloway · 32:00
Yeah. So what is it? Is it confidence or delusion? Right? But right now, it looks like confidence. Has a vision. And also, I need you to help him explain. He keeps talking about you can't have you know, what's more important, democracy or capitalism? I still don't quite understand what he means about
Kara Swisher · 32:15
Alright, I will ask him. He says a lot of things that are like that.
Scott Galloway · 32:17
Yeah, you they're like, I'm wow, he's so smart, but I don't really understand what he's saying. Which kinda describes Michael Bennett. He's very wonky.
Kara Swisher · 32:24
Yeah. He does he does explain.
Scott Galloway · 32:26
Yeah. He does explain. Anyway He's still my man, though.
Kara Swisher · 32:28
I know. He was great.
Scott Galloway · 32:29
He's a lovely guy. But mayor Pete's in the wings.
Kara Swisher · 32:31
I'm in the wings. Alright. I will ask these questions of these people. Anyway, thank you, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 32:36
Thank you, Karen. Thanks for hosting such a... Thank you again for hosting such a wonderful party. I felt very American, and I felt loved and affirmed, which I
Kara Swisher · 32:42
need I need all of
Scott Galloway · 32:43
those things.
Kara Swisher · 32:44
The algebra of happiness.
Scott Galloway · 32:45
Thank you for sharing that.
Kara Swisher · 32:45
Everybody miserable. It's Anyway, you were correct, though. Anyway, Camila Salazar, producer of our show today. Nishat Kerwa is Pivot's executive producer. Thanks also to Eric Johnson and Erica Anderson. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts if you like this week's episode. Leave us a review. You can email us if you have any thoughts on the show or suggestions or topics you'd like to hear us discuss, pivot@voxmedia.com. Pivot. Pivot. The only pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week with another breakdown of all things tech and business.
