Kara Swisher · 48:12
He was telling me about the the effects he's studying of mushrooms on cancer patients and all these psychedelics, and he was very much like, this is important. This is important stuff. So, yes, good... The good thing for saying that. One thing that I... I'd like to know is what's your movie? What's your movie that made you... Well, you said one day, but is there another one? And then I'll tell you mine.
Scott Galloway · 48:33
Oh, but I'm I'm an easy cry. Remains of the day with Anthony Hopkins, the Black Stallion
Kara Swisher · 48:38
Oh, wow.
Scott Galloway · 48:38
With Terry Garr and Mickey Rooney.
Kara Swisher · 48:41
You cry at everything, though. Like, right? Literally.
Scott Galloway · 48:43
Yeah. Any... Pretty much any episode of Modern Family. Yeah. How about you? What have you cried in?
Kara Swisher · 48:49
I don't cry at movies. It's a very big joke between Amanda and I. She cries at literally everything. It's it's it's fascinating. Like, I look over, and she's tearing up over something like true detective or something. Like, it wasn't true detective. It was something like that. And I was like, are you kidding me? So she she cries at everything. I cry at nothing. I'm trying to think what movie got me.
Scott Galloway · 49:09
I cried in Barbie. Like, what the fuck am I doing here? How did I end up here?
Kara Swisher · 49:13
No. Stop it. Stop attacking Barbie. You're not allowed. You're... You've you've used up all your anti Barbie remarks for for your life.
Scott Galloway · 49:21
I do love what you said. The Margot Robbie, had she not been in pink, would have been nominated. I thought that was a super interesting frame.
Kara Swisher · 49:27
She's an astonishing actress. I'm sorry. She... Her whole face is so expressive. What did I cry in? Let me think. Oh my god. I I... Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze. Roadhouse with Patrick Swayze because it was so beautiful. That's what
Speaker · 49:43
it is.
Scott Galloway · 49:43
Another one, the champ with Ricky Schroeder and John Boyd. You didn't cry in that?
Kara Swisher · 49:48
No. I don't cry in movies. I really don't.
Scott Galloway · 49:52
Really?
Kara Swisher · 49:53
Roadhouse, Gladiator, when he died. I didn't cry, but I was sad.
Scott Galloway · 49:57
The English Patient, my favorite movie. The English Patient, you didn't cry? No. You didn't... That didn't grab you and, like, really move you?
Kara Swisher · 50:02
No. Old Yeller? Nope. Nope. Oh my god. I'm dead inside. Roadhouse, Patrick Swayze, His beauty. Oh.
Scott Galloway · 50:15
Yeah. My favorite line in Roadhouse is this this guy when he's fighting me and he says
Kara Swisher · 50:20
Not the new one.
Scott Galloway · 50:20
No. No. No. The old Roadhouse. My favorite scene is when they're fighting and the guy goes, I used to fuck guys like you in prison. And I'm like, well done.
Kara Swisher · 50:27
Oh, yeah.
Scott Galloway · 50:27
Well then. Okay. Alright.
Kara Swisher · 50:30
So every Patrick Swayze movie is spectacular. Maybe I turned up a tiny bit in dirty dancing when she goes, nobody puts baby in the corner, but that wasn't really sad. That was the happy part. I'm like, yes. Yes, Patrick Swayze. Pulled baby out of the corner, but that was... I still didn't cry. Didn't cry. I'm sorry.
Scott Galloway · 50:49
Dead Poets Society? That that move you? Dead Poets Society?
Kara Swisher · 50:52
No. Ugh, god. Oh my god. No. Oh, god. It was so saccharine. Maybe ghosts? The end of ghosts a little bit?
Scott Galloway · 51:00
Brokeback Mountain, that did make you cry?
Kara Swisher · 51:02
No. You're not gonna get one. No. Beaches.
Speaker · 51:05
Yeah. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on.
Scott Galloway · 51:06
Hold on. Terms of endearment? Mm-mm. Really? Sophie's Choice? I like that. Philadelphia? No. Schindler's List?
Kara Swisher · 51:15
Oh, don't do that to me. Keep going.
Scott Galloway · 51:17
I know I'm gonna find one here. Hold on.
Kara Swisher · 51:20
I would cry more at a Bugs Bunny. I mean, there's some very moving Scooby Doos that really get to my heart. Because, you know, if it wasn't for those kids, I would have gotten away with it.
Scott Galloway · 51:31
Oh my god. The... I had so many movies I've cried in. Hold on. The Elephant Man? No. The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?
Kara Swisher · 51:38
No. I mean, I like them. You're naming movies I like very much.
Scott Galloway · 51:41
Little miss sunshine on golden pawn when Henry and Jane embrace? I'm I'm literally getting welled up right now just thinking about these movies.
Kara Swisher · 51:49
You cry at every... You and Amanda are, like, waterworks as far as I'm concerned.
Scott Galloway · 51:53
The Shawshank Redemption when he's talking about his wife? No. Oh my god. You're... You you are dead inside. These
Kara Swisher · 52:01
I know.
Speaker · 52:01
These are
Scott Galloway · 52:01
these are incredible movies.
Kara Swisher · 52:04
Notting Hill was... When she made that little speech about, like, I'm just a girl, you know, looking for a guy, that speech made him already cry. No. I do like Julie Roberts, so I'm a big admirer of hers.
Scott Galloway · 52:16
I'm gonna try and reverse engineer this to a lesson here for young men. I didn't cry from the ages... From the age of 29 to 44. For fifteen years, I didn't cry. I lost the capability or the... I just didn't know how to cry any longer. I didn't cry when my mom died. I didn't cry when I got divorced. What I would say to anyone, especially men, if you discover the ability to cry, it's a gift because it helps inform what's meaningful to you, and it makes you, I think, a much more I think it makes a much more meaningful life. Because the problem is when you shove down your emotions, and that's including learning how to laugh really hard when something inspires you. Take time to try and understand why inspires you. But lean into the crying because it really helps it helps inform, like, what's important to you, what really moves you. And that's a wonderful thing as opposed to just kinda kinda sleepwalking a little bit through life. So I'd say lean into it.
Kara Swisher · 53:07
I agree. Louie and Alex cry. All my kids cry. Amanda is like... I guess I said, like you, water works. I just... I don't... I can't explain it. I laugh a lot, but I can't explain it.
Scott Galloway · 53:17
I will say in steal magnolias, I was kinda glad when Julia Roberts died. Is that wrong? Is that wrong? The way we were? The way we were? God.
Kara Swisher · 53:27
Look at you. You're not gonna find a movie. Let's move on. Thank you, Justin. Justin, we're having a big moment in our relationship here. We just... You know, I don't know what to say. Anyway, if if you've got a quest of your own you'd like answered, send it our way. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 55:32
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 55:34
My prediction is I think someone who's gonna go down in history as just an incredibly powerful role model for young people and a really fantastic American is the cofounder of Amazon, Mackenzie Scott.
Kara Swisher · 55:49
I agree. Explain what she just did.
Scott Galloway · 55:52
She just announced she's giving another $650,000,000 away to... She's doubling the amount of money she's allocating to charities. And I have some personal experience with Mackenzie Scott. I'm a huge fan and a big supporter of something called the JED Foundation that leverages the infrastructure of high schools to help give them the tools to identify or discern between kinda normal but strange teen behavior and actual teen behavior you need to be cautious of and intervene around depression and suicidal ideation. And it is an amazing organization run by a man who ran a pharmaceutical company whose son, Jed, killed himself, and it has this this amazing staff, this guy, John McPhee. They do an amazing job. Amazing job. And out of the blue, somebody called them and said, we need your wiring information. We wanna make a donation. They get that all the time. Thousand bucks, $5,000, $50. And they got a wire for $15,000,000. And it was Mackenzie Scott saying, I've been following you. You're wonderful. I don't want anything. I don't need anything. It's yours. I've been following you. Don't, you know, don't call me. Don't put my name in the papers. And it it was so... A, it was so moving, but, b, it really is a great lesson around giving because I give a lot of money away, but here's the thing. For me, it's a transaction, and it feeds my ego, and I want I want recognition for it. And it really taught me that, like, that's not giving. That's consumption. You know, what she's doing is giving. And and She's just giving.
Kara Swisher · 57:17
I love it. They're all like, what's the what's the ROI on the investment of the charity? She's just like, here's the fucking money. Go for it.
Scott Galloway · 57:24
She's not starting a rocket company or going to Cannes or or having
Kara Swisher · 57:28
naming things after herself.
Scott Galloway · 57:29
Or Or having three kids by two different people in one week. She's just like, I'm blessed. And by the way, I hate anyone framing her as solely as solely like a rich wife. She was very involved in Amazon in the beginning.
Kara Swisher · 57:43
She was. I was there.
Scott Galloway · 57:45
Whereas, quite frankly, the the Veep candidate that I brought up before, you could accuse her of being a wealthy housewife if that's an accusation or a wealthy spouse. This is an individual who deserves the billions she has, and she's not trying to figure out a way to have a midlife crisis explode. She's trying to figure out a way to be helpful and lean into her blessings, and she does not want or even desire recognition. We're gonna... I think we're... I mean, there's some problems. Anand Giridas correctly points out that rich people shouldn't be dictating our social priorities, but distinct.
Kara Swisher · 58:17
She is all over the map. That's why she's not dictating. She's the wide ranging. It's just social justice. You know, Elon Musk attacked her, of course, as usual, an ungenerous person, by the way. And if you read the read the New York Times piece about him giving money to things that help him, that's exactly what he's like. And she, you know, she doubled the donations.
Scott Galloway · 58:37
Such an impressive person.
Kara Swisher · 58:39
It was gonna be 250,000,000, and she upped it to $6.40. And Musk called her a super rich ex wife who's destroying Western civilization. Let me just say, in this regard, fuck you, Elon. You're an ungenerous person of charity. This woman's giving away, I think, $16,000,000,000 at this point. So fuck you. Get back off of Mackenzie Scott. He's not going to. But in total, I think she's given $16,000,000,000 something. I don't know if it's $16,000,000,000. She's given an enormous one, but she announced $2,150,000,000 in donations over the last year. I mean, jeez, Louisa. Like, think about that. Like, think about... And all over the place.
Scott Galloway · 59:20
I told my kids about her. I I think she's just... And I think she's incredibly impressive. And unlike these individuals who are like, how do I fly a dildo into space? Or or Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 59:30
My my burrito bar needs money. That's that's kind of giving Elon Musk in my town that I'm building because I'm an egomaniac. You know? I just... I I can't even with these people.
Scott Galloway · 59:40
The contrast I kept thinking of was, like, Oprah sort of marks the age in the sense that, you know, you get a car. You get shit. You get more shit.
Kara Swisher · 59:48
You get giving away a lot of money.
Scott Galloway · 59:49
You get a toaster oven, and she's just... Her attitude is, you need money, and I'm giving you money. You need money, and I'm giving you money. You're doing good work, and you need money. I'm giving you money. And, anyways, I just love
Kara Swisher · 1:00:01
They have a woman bent. They have a social justice bent. It doesn't matter. It's her business, you fuckers. I'm sorry. Just like... Ugh. Go read the New York Times story.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:10
But but let's frame this in a pause.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:11
No. I'm not going to because re... Read the David Fahrenhal story. That is about greed and giving. She is about generosity and giving, and it's a it's a... It couldn't be a starker contrast between two people. Couldn't be. Anyway, go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:24
Sorry. But she's a great American, and the keyword here is American because for all the for all the shitposting of America and the fact that we're raising a generation of young people that don't like America, Americans at their core at their core, and this is different than Europe or other nations. When it comes to philanthropy, we are the most generous people in the world, and she embodies that. She's a she's a great American. She embodies our values. And it's something... It's a... She is an example of a reason to love America. Americans are very generous.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:53
I agree. Mackenzie, fantastic work. Anyway, we love Mackenzie Scott. Scott, that's the show. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot. Read us out.
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Scott Galloway · 1:01:05
Today's show was produced by Lara Amon, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Intertaud, engine of this episode. Thanks also to Drew Barrows and Neil Severio. Nishat Kerwa is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business at the iHeart Podcast Awards where we won best news podcast. I forgot to mention two people. One was a huge oversight, and that is Zoe Marcus, who is a fantastic producer. I apologize, Zoe. Also, I forgot to mention Carol Swisher. Not as big a deal. I just wanted to say thank you to both of those people. I was just off of ketamine. I was not at my best, so I apologize for forgetting both of you.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:52
Thank you, Scott.
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