Kara Swisher · 57:04
We've remained friends throughout all of this. Alright. Senator Klobuchar's book is called Antitrust, Taking on Monopoly Power from the Gilded Age to the Digital Age. It's a great book. Senator, thank you so much.
Scott Galloway · 57:14
Keep fighting the good fight, senator.
Kara Swisher · 57:17
Goodness.
Scott Galloway · 57:18
Show up with the work. Continue to bring it Oh my god. My sister. Continue to bring it.
Kara Swisher · 57:23
Him. He's bringing it. He's bringing it. She's bringing it. Give her a break. Senator Ells, talk to Monday.
Scott Galloway · 57:28
Those aides look 75, and they're 23. Keep working them. That's right.
Kara Swisher · 57:33
Great. Thank you. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. She's amazing. We'll talk about her when we get back, and we'll be back for wins and fails too.
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Kara Swisher · 58:32
Okay, Scott. Go ahead. Talk about senator Klobuchar. She's amazing. Right? Did I tell you? Did I
Scott Galloway · 58:36
tell you? I think we have to... I don't understand why people aren't more in love and more impressed by government. US government, the people who turn... The the organization that turned turned back Hitler, found a cure for polio, and invented the bomber jacket and silly putty in World War two. Senator Klobuchar is an example of why the US government is the most noble entity in the history of mankind. I I I especially am fond of senator Klobuchar because she's one of the senators that would rather would pick hard work over a camera. Yep. You know, she's not jonesing for a camera everywhere. She's actually writing books and writing great legislation. I gotta think her legislative ways are exhausted. The amount of legislation she puts out. Yeah. I think she's just I think she's just incredibly impressive.
Kara Swisher · 59:23
Gonna... I think she still has a bid for presidency. I have to tell you.
Scott Galloway · 59:26
She's She's young. Right?
Kara Swisher · 59:28
Younger. I
Scott Galloway · 59:28
mean, she looks young.
Kara Swisher · 59:29
Compared to the others, certainly. Yeah. Think she's someone who people really, once you get to know her, you really do like her a lot better. That's the issue with her, I think. She's she's someone that really grows on you in a in a positive way, I think, in a lot of ways. And I think getting to know you is, I think, the thing, and competence is really hard. She obviously got that big hit originally from the whole thing around her comb and salad and stuff like that. But, you know, honestly, she's she's... Her her ability
Scott Galloway · 59:55
been a dude, they would have said he was a leader holding his team accountable.
Kara Swisher · 59:58
I know. And instead, when a woman
Scott Galloway · 59:59
woman does that, she's a bitch. I mean, it's just She's a tough cookie. Double standard.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:03
I agree. I agree. But I need way? What?
Scott Galloway · 1:00:05
I'm sorry, Kerrick.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:06
No. I was saying she's great. I think I think she's great. Go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:09
I've worked with a ton of CEOs. Mhmm. If she could she could literally be the chief executive officer of a Fortune 500 company making tens of millions of dollars a year, flying around in her Gulfstream six fifty, and instead she decides to try and write laws.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:23
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:24
Yeah. So I think I'm... I I... Anyways, I think she's
Kara Swisher · 1:00:27
gonna Combs aren't your issue. Right? You don't
Scott Galloway · 1:00:29
have Combs. Go on. Go on.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:31
I would. Me and my beautiful haired children.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:35
A lot of hair. I'm growing
Kara Swisher · 1:00:35
a lot
Scott Galloway · 1:00:36
of hair out of my ears. I'm thinking about braiding it with the host coming... The the hair coming out
Kara Swisher · 1:00:39
of my nose. Anyway, she's wonderful. That was a great interview. She's very forthright. She answers the question. That's one of the pleasures of talking about.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:46
Would you endorse senator Franken for another run? She avoided that. Oh my god.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:50
She's She can't.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:51
She danced around that
Kara Swisher · 1:00:52
one. She do that in advance? Why would she... She would. She will.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:55
She could have said he'd be great to have him
Kara Swisher · 1:00:57
back in government. No. She can't. She can't. She's not pulling. She's dealing with antitrust. She's not gonna wade into that.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:02
You heard first. It Senator Franken has kids and grandkids in Manhattan, and he spends a ton of time with his family. Yeah. I think he should move to New York and run against Chris and Jill O'Brien.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:11
Oh. He's so...
Scott Galloway · 1:01:14
How much would that... How awesome would that be?
Kara Swisher · 1:01:17
Awesome She's would that a cookie. I met her once. Senator Joe O'Brien? She scared me a little bit. I'll be honest with you. Yeah. I met her in the Senate Dining Room. She's got a look. She definitely
Scott Galloway · 1:01:27
looks with real I think senators Klobuchar and senators Gillibrand, one is remarkably effective.
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Kara Swisher · 1:01:34
Okay. Alright. Enough of that. Don't be dragging down the lady senators. Listen. Listen. What is your win and fail? Come on.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:41
It's dragging and building up good.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:42
Give me a win and fail.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:44
Okay. Simply simple put simply put, wins and fails respectively are two companies have been valued at $5,000,000,000 with their most recent mark. One's gonna be worth 10,000,000,000 within twelve months. The other's gonna be worth less than 1,000,000,000. Oh. Yahoo is the fourth most trafficked Internet site in the world. That's in it. Any competent management there, any vision, any reasonable owner there is gonna make that thing worth $10,000,000,000 in twelve months. Okay. Then and then another another company that was recently worth $5,000,000,000 Clubhouse is gonna be worth less than 1,000,000,000 within twelve months. I told you I'm an investor in public, they just announced a service that's similar to the Clubhouse app that works as well, I just did Spaces with Twitter. This is, you perfectly summarized this, this is a feature,
Kara Swisher · 1:02:27
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:27
Not a company. Yeah. So, Wynn? Yeah.
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Kara Swisher · 1:02:30
Who's been Janik pointing is coming... Janik Maaleng is coming on to Sway, just so you know. That was your suggestion.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:36
Nice. Janik. Yeah. Does he know Marguerite Vestia?
Kara Swisher · 1:02:40
Yes. I do.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:41
I know. Oh, Janik De Kosi. I should know that.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:44
Yeah. Should know that since
Scott Galloway · 1:02:45
you don't know about it. Yeah. It was
Kara Swisher · 1:02:47
your suggestion. Anyway. Okay. Those are good ones. Anyways.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:50
Okay. Wins and fails. Yahoo, dramatically undervalued. Clubhouse, dramatically
Kara Swisher · 1:02:55
over pairing. I like the pairing of them. I'm gonna do one. I'm gonna... The win is, I gotta say, call your agent. Someone What? People have been bugging me to watch that frigging Netflix show forever.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:05
What Netflix show?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:06
Amazing. Call your agent. Set in France. There's a big old
Scott Galloway · 1:03:11
Okay.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:11
Sassy lesbian at the center of it, and it's about an agency, like a like a celebrity agency. It's so funny.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:18
Who plays the big old sassy lesbian?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:20
Some French lady. I don't know.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:21
Some French lady?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:22
But they bring in all the French stars.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:23
Did you actually watch it, or is there anything with lesbian you decide to win?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:26
No. Not anything with lesbian.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:28
Did... You haven't watched it. You avoided the question. Should senator Franken run for office again? You and Amy. Seriously.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:34
It's a great show.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:35
They're straight behind
Kara Swisher · 1:03:36
it too.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:36
You're like that guy. Remember that old film critic Rick's Rick's... What's his name?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:39
Rick's Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:41
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you haven't seen it, but it's your win?
Kara Swisher · 1:03:45
No. I haven't seen it. I watched Call Your Agent. Yes. Of course. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. I've watched three episodes. Amanda and I love it. She's listening in French because she speaks French, and so she
Scott Galloway · 1:03:53
laughs her. She
Kara Swisher · 1:03:57
laughs ahead of me because I can't read that fast. Like, they they... She's like, and then I'm like, what? It's so terrible.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:03
I can't help it. Quick time out for a candid moment with the Swisher family while down in Delray. I I know everyone's sick of this, so I gotta do it.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:11
They're not
Scott Galloway · 1:04:11
sick of it. It's towards the end of the weekend, and you guys are packing all your bags up and headed out. We've all been together for three days. Everyone has been too close for seventy two hours.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:19
I
Scott Galloway · 1:04:19
think And finally, Giant Boy does something. He crosses the line. I don't know what he did. He was mouthing off to somebody. You take him in the corner of the living room and you're like, listen to me. And you start like berating him and you you yelling at giant man, it literally looked like Herve Villacize saying to Fernando Lammas, complain. The plane. It's late because of... It's your fault. It looks so ridiculous. I went over to my wife, I'm like, look at her scolding him. You were literally looking up like you were trying to identify a seven thirty seven in the high in in the sky, and you're like, listen to me. Listen to me.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:49
You know what? He listened to me. Let me just
Scott Galloway · 1:04:51
say something. It was hilarious. You're gangster man.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:53
I don't since he should have been in for a moment. He was a pretty good guest.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:56
Wonderful guest. Yeah. He basketball with my boys.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:58
He was a
Scott Galloway · 1:04:59
wonderful guest.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:00
He did. He's a great kid. He's a really great kid. I love
Scott Galloway · 1:05:02
that kid. Good kid.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:03
Both my kids are great. All my kids are great, including Golden Child who was noted on the street by... This... It was a very nice couple. It's a very nice gay couple. They liked us a lot. They like us. We have we have great appeal, but thank you for that lovely story. I have... Anyway, that's my win is call your agent. Watch it. It's great.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:18
Call your agent. Okay.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:19
My loss is this COVID herd immunity. I can't read another story about freaking stupid Republican men not taking the vaccine, and I get why. And I read a very multifaceted story in the Washington Post this weekend about lots of different reasons. It wasn't just men, but it was a lot of men. And I get their I get their issues around it. It was developed too fast. I get their issues of... I don't get their stem cell thing. That's not true. And I get... But I get that they believe they're true. But it's just really... It's really... Actually speaking of giant giant man, and I talked about this weekend, how do you get people to herd immunity in this way? How do you convince them? And we concluded that you cannot. You cannot get them to do what is in their best interest. So it's a little bit of a fail on our country that we have to
Scott Galloway · 1:06:04
We are. I mean, I agree.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:05
These people's asses.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:07
We need to get there. There's there's such a big opportunity in all of this, and that is if we can get to some semblance of herd immunity and crush the curve. America has always been, you know, we've always been the good guys and gals. We've turned back tyranny. I know, but I think we have a big... I think the biggest opportunity geopolitically, not to not only do the right thing, but to do the smart thing, would be to get to the point where we could start playing offense and shipping vaccine
Kara Swisher · 1:06:29
Yep.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:30
And and really helping India out. The level of the level of just just death and disease and disability in India right now is so frightening.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:37
It is.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:38
And America has always been, you know, we have so many resources and we demonstrate, I think, typically such generosity and such courage that the opportunity now is to crush the curve here and then to turn our sights on other areas of devastation because we're Americans. I And think it's such a huge opportunity, and people don't realize just as, you know, the swing vote, whether it's independence or Don't
Kara Swisher · 1:07:00
don't don't... How do we get them to take them? Scott, there's just... It's almost impossible. Like, this story was so disheartening in terms of trying to figure out
Scott Galloway · 1:07:08
you show a leader? Okay. Simple simply put, vaccine passports. You can't come into work. You can't travel. I don't understand why we
Kara Swisher · 1:07:15
what Giant Man said, but I don't think you're gonna get those passed. I think I think Christy Noem or some asshole from Alabama
Scott Galloway · 1:07:21
is in Let me fast forward to the opportunity to be Americans. Americans do the smart thing here, and then once we take care of ourselves, and that's our responsibility to take care of ourselves first, we can play offense. And the reason why India is so important geopolitically and the opportunity to help India out here and we have the resources is that India is about to become the most important swing vote in the history of mankind. Whether it's deciding what is the default currency, deciding whether it's democracy or tyranny, India is one point, I think, 2,000,000,000 or people across a smaller... Much smaller area than Africa, and they are about to be the swing vote in geopolitics. And our opportunity to go in there and help them deal with what is... God. Just... Do you know there were something like four hundred thousand reported infections yesterday? People are dying in the street in front of hospitals.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:05
And they don't have oxygen. But here's... Let's get back to this country. Yeah. What a selfish group of destroyers. That's all I could think of is, like, they can just... All they can do is break, and they... Then we have to clean up and break, and we have to clean up. And this is what... Listen. Part of the modern Republican Party is doing this. Let's just break and break and break and point to Biden doesn't like meat and point to, you know, let's attack trans people. They just... All they do is make a big fucking mess.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:29
Wasn't there a group... Just to be fair, wasn't it there a group of Republican senate... Republican doctors or elected congresspeople or doctors who came out and said, look. Come on, guys. Get your head out
Kara Swisher · 1:08:38
of your ass. It didn't work. Didn't work. I'm just saying, look at... They booed Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney. It's two of the most conservative people.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:44
See that?
Kara Swisher · 1:08:45
Craziness. They just destroy. You know, they're toddlers breaking plates. It's all
Scott Galloway · 1:08:50
I I just don't understand. You need... There are metal detectors at airports. You need vaccines to get into certain countries. Why wouldn't you demand vaccines?
Kara Swisher · 1:08:57
If you wanna go to public school, if
Scott Galloway · 1:08:59
you wanna travel, you if wanna get on a train, if you wanna get on Amtrak. Yeah. I mean, I I just don't... Let's show some leadership here. We locked up 5,000 men in World War two for trying to avoid the draft. I mean, we we aren't afraid to take leadership stands on a lot of things. Let's take stand here.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:13
Alright. That's
Scott Galloway · 1:09:14
Evidence is in. This shit works. There's evidence of it
Kara Swisher · 1:09:16
for America. For Christy Gnome. Jesus Christ. Anyway There you go. Alright. I'm mad about that. That's a fail. Alright. Scott, this has been a riveting show. Senator senator Klobuchar, of course, classed up the joint. But in general, it's a riveting show. We have a lot to talk about next week. Obviously, we have Facebook will be by then. The decision will be made by then. This epic trial is going. And guess who's gonna be on SNL this week? So we're gonna start to see a lot of stuff out of that.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:41
That is gonna be really interesting Musk. He was
Kara Swisher · 1:09:44
asking for ideas for for skits.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:49
It's the staff. Like, he he has no idea. He has no influence over that. They don't give a shit what he thinks. It's the writers. The writers... Anyway, I... Don't get me started. Don't get me started. It's like, hate that show, and I have to watch it. That's... I'm, like, so upset, and I have to watch it.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:03
You're gonna watch it. That's right. The Dogefather. Like Mollis Tess.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:07
I think she's very talented.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:08
Yes. I do too. Maybe she'll, like, she'll be on the... Maybe they could put voice. Maybe they could put him on, like, one of those chains with the balls on it, like a wrecking ball, and then they can do something around that. That that could be a good... What do you think? I came in like a wreck.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:23
Don't... You've ruined that image for me. You've ruined that... You've literally ruined that image. Seriously. You've ruined that
Kara Swisher · 1:10:29
image. I love that, Miley Cyrus. I agree with you. Anyway, Scott, that's the show. Be back on Friday for more, and it'll be so... There's so much to talk about. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit your questions. The podcast, The link is also in our show notes. Read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:44
Today's episode was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Bill Moss engineered this episode. Who the hell is Bill Moss? Where did Ernie go, Rebecca? Anyways, thanks also to Hana Rosen and Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. If you're an Android user, check us out on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. If you like the show, please recommend it to a friend. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. The US government, the most noble organization in history that continues to attract people who are leaders who decide, you know what? I could make tens of millions of dollars. I could overrun the government. I could avoid taxes. Instead instead, I'm gonna be the elected representative from Minnesota and be a total gangster. Total gangster.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:25
Crush on senator senator Clove. Klobuchar. Hello. Hello.
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