Scott Galloway · 42:20
K. We'll buy futures to lock in that price, and we'll make sure that the president gives us a sweetheart deal and security guarantees from the Venezuelan government. But the old regime was wildly corrupt. Guess who's there right now? The same regime.
Kara Swisher · 42:35
I know.
Scott Galloway · 42:35
So we're not gonna see... I don't see in the near future a wave of additional incremental investment capital. Where you could see massive investment in capital is Chipotle in the Four Seasons. There's a lot of companies that are probably interested in... I'm actually more optimistic about Venezuela than I am, say, about Iraq or Afghanistan where you had basically these countries that are a mishmash of different tribes with borders drawn up by, you know, the British. Venezuela has been a democracy many times. It's a homogenous population. I... I'm actually quite optimistic, not with this administration, but I'm optimistic in general about the prospects. Anyways, I'm getting off track. We were not gonna see big capital investments in the short term from from oil companies.
Kara Swisher · 43:22
No. But it's true. And you have to think about the economic benefits of this country. Right? I mean, in terms of what he's done here. And it was really interesting because I think he expected them all to follow the script and... As the tech pros tend to do. And they absolutely didn't, which when he said that, I... My head jerked up. I'm like, oh, wow. That's a big word. Un... Uninvestable. Like, it wasn't like, oh, it's problematic, but we'll figure it out. It was un... It was sort of very clear. And he was obviously irked by that. But leaving them out there... They'll... Listen. He's not gonna be able to leave them out if they wanna be in there. They're the oil companies. They'll do what they want as as much as he thinks he controls everything because he likes to say that. The more he says I control everything, the more I know he doesn't in so many ways. But
Scott Galloway · 44:08
We don't have an embassy in Caracas. We don't have boots on the ground. I'm not exactly sure other than the threat. I'm not exactly sure how we control
Kara Swisher · 44:16
This to go there. Do you think America... Americans wanna maybe include... Especially his base. They absolutely don't wanna go there.
Scott Galloway · 44:23
I think Venezuela could be one of the most attractive tourist destinations in the world if if this is handled rightly. This is... And, again, this might might have been me thinking about this under the influence of opioids. I think the way... The analogy I would use is a Bond film, and that is Bond films always have amazing openings. They always nail the opening. But then it goes on to be great, good, or awful. There's been some awful Bond movies. There's been some great ones. Whenever we do these adventures in overseas conquest, it almost always starts really well. We were able to do... When I say we, I'm talking about the best performing organization in history, the US military. We were able to do in thirty five minutes what Putin has not been able to do in thirty five months. I mean
Kara Swisher · 45:08
In You're talking about in Ukraine.
Scott Galloway · 45:10
Yeah. I'm sorry. In Ukraine. Thank you, Kara. This was such a flex and an extraordinary demonstration of skill, strength, and bravery from the US military. I mean, just absolutely fucking lutely extraordinary.
Kara Swisher · 45:23
Now If they hadn't won, though, come on. It's Venezuela. Sorry. Like
Scott Galloway · 45:28
Okay. But hold on. Not a single US fatality or casualty?
Kara Swisher · 45:33
If there had been, I would have been like, what in the hell? How did we lose one person in this?
Scott Galloway · 45:37
Oh, god. Of course not. You have mercenaries all around them.
Kara Swisher · 45:40
No. I get it.
Scott Galloway · 45:41
They know they're coming. You would have thought, supposedly, the people on the ground there didn't even hear them coming.
Kara Swisher · 45:47
Right. Were
Scott Galloway · 45:48
hella... This was such an unbelievably massive flex. The problem is the administration has not taken a note out of the most obvious and best written geopolitical strategy in history, and it's the following. The Marshall Plan. Alright. We have the Imperial Navy, which was shooting surviving sailors in the sea. We had the Third Reich, which obviously did some terrible things. So what did the American people in our leadership decide to do?
Kara Swisher · 46:17
Give them money.
Scott Galloway · 46:18
We invested in their nations. Yeah. And we weren't punitive. We invested. We rebuilt. And what do you know? Germany and Japan, eighty years later, are amazing allies.
Kara Swisher · 46:29
Well, we're turning on them now because of Greenland.
Scott Galloway · 46:32
Well, hold on. Let me... Let... Let's just stick with Venezuela. The opportunity to not say, give me your fucking oil and and more deeply impoverse them and have a transition government and then have international voting oversight, free elections, have our great institutions, our great companies encouraged to invest in Venezuela, give Venezuelan people a shot, show them why democracy and capitalism is so wonderful, create an amazing ally in Latin America.
Kara Swisher · 46:59
Yeah. You're talking about the wrong president.
Scott Galloway · 47:01
The movie could have been so... This is a Bond film. It started amazing. Now we're gonna find out this may not be a great movie because already he's saying, give me the oil?
Kara Swisher · 47:12
Yeah. Pretty explicitly. So that's, you know, related is both Greenland and Iran. President Trump is considering very strong options to intervene in Iran amid a violent crackdown on anti government protests. He likes to help protesters in other countries, but human rights groups say over 500 people have been killed in the last two weeks and with over 10,000 arrested. Other other estimates are much higher. People are saying, reports are coming out of much higher than 500. Internet access has also been shut down. Telephone service. Iran's foreign minister just a little while ago that the country is ready for war but prepared to negotiate. Obviously, most most smart people on this issue, whether it's Fareed... There's all kinds of people talking about it. This this this regime is facing some... You know, they have... This has happened before, but most people feel this is really bad for the regime, which is good for everybody. But taking military action again is quagmire, feels quagmire, and and rather dangerous. Although it's the... Maybe the point to attack because this this country is is on the brink, I think, from most... From what I can read from experts.
Scott Galloway · 48:23
I can't think of a military operation that has a high ROI for the world and for women and for feminism right now. We have been here before where it looked like the regime was gonna fall. And because of the IDF and the US Air Force, we have taken out around air defenses. It is clear that the Mossad has penetrated the highest levels in terms of soft assets and espionage. We should absolutely be supporting incredibly brave young women and men who are risking their lives every day, and we should be striking civilian support centers. We need to help these folks finish the job. This is argue... We are on the precipice, Kara, of what is arguably the greatest unlock for women's rights and and to unlock what is an incredible civilization and turn and stabilize the Middle East for decades. There is so... In my opinion, there is nowhere in the world that connotes a better reason and a bigger opportunity for why we spend more than the next 10 militaries combined. We should be coordinating with our allies in the West, although they're not gonna coordinate with us anymore, but Israel will coordinate with us, and we should absolutely be providing military cloud cover and on the ground assets to make sure that this isn't the eleventh hour for the regime. This is this is lights out.
Kara Swisher · 49:48
This is it. Right. Lights out. So, again, as you noted, this has happened before. There have been protests across the country.
Scott Galloway · 49:54
Beat them back.
Kara Swisher · 49:55
To tamp them down over and over again, this regime.
Scott Galloway · 49:58
But so many people still supposed... I read this morning that 2,000 people have been have been murdered. The best way to end a war is to win it. We have the resources. They have no air defenses. We have assets. Russia is preoccupied. I I mean, I'm a hawk. I don't think there's any reason to to spend $1,100,000,000,000 on the US military and then not use it in situations like this.
Kara Swisher · 50:23
So so what does that look like? Does it look like... Again, I mean, does it it it... Does it have that Bush feel to it to that that, of course, I suspect much regret for The United States' involvement there, whether it was Afghanistan or Iraq, etcetera?
Scott Galloway · 50:40
I think I think that's a fair question because the reality is we are we are very good, and I think it would not incur much danger to our men and women to foment regime change here. The problem is is when we decide to start trying nation build. But Iraq, I think that that there is an infrastructure and a populace, and they even... You know, everyone's excited about the shah sun potentially coming back, and he has said the right language. He wants to be a transition leader to free and fair elections. But the current... What we know is the current state is not good for the people of Iran, especially bad for the women of Iran who have been subject to what is arguably one of the worst gender apartheid in the world. Keep in mind, Iran just a year ago was considered the superpower of the Middle East. In addition, I mean, when you look at geopolitics, you're not only gonna look at what's happened, but what's not happened. Have the Houthis been causing problems in the Suez Canal? No. Has Hezbollah been firing rockets into their neighbors? No. We need to finish the job here. And just personally, having grown up at UCLA and having friends, David Aseel, my mentor Hamid Mogadam, Bittak Basiri, Alex Dasili. I have never met a group of people who are more American than Americans than Iranians, and I think they could actually be an outstanding ally for us. I think the cultures are much more similar between The US and Iran than a lot of our existing allies.
Kara Swisher · 52:11
Well, then weigh in what the hell he's doing with Greenland then.
Scott Galloway · 52:16
I'll tell you exactly
Kara Swisher · 52:17
what news conference.
Scott Galloway · 52:18
I'll tell you exactly what's going on, Kara. It makes absolutely no sense. It's all downside. Any... Anything that that we say we want, they're like, fine. Put military bases here. Do you want... Do we have rare
Kara Swisher · 52:30
We're allowed to, as Dave... I interviewed David Sanger. We can put them there. There's there's
Scott Galloway · 52:35
Rare earths? Sure. What... What's your what's your idea? Instead, we wanna go to war with NATO? Mhmm. I mean, this one is really out of a out of a... Maybe you've done some reporting here or talked
Kara Swisher · 52:48
about what I think. This is what people around... He just wants to take land to show he'd be the first president to do it since, I don't know, Jefferson. I don't know who who
Scott Galloway · 52:57
Like a real estate deal or something.
Kara Swisher · 52:59
Yeah. Yeah. And he he... He's... Someone was speculating, you know, the map. It's called the map shows Greenland is enormous, but it's actually not. It's not as big as... Just because the way maps are made. It's a real estate deal that he that he's obsessed with. And, of course, it'll create so much damage to our relationship with Europe.
Scott Galloway · 53:21
If we start attacking a a NATO ally? Yeah. I don't I don't... This makes... I gotta think even the administration would go, what are
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Kara Swisher · 53:31
we doing now? Seem to be going along then. They seem to... Like, whatever crazy shit comes out of his mouth. But we'll see. Do you think he'll take military action here? It's prediction, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 53:41
Then we gotta move. I don't. Yeah. Well, I'm gonna straight. I think they would just show up.
Kara Swisher · 53:46
But in Iran, yes.
Scott Galloway · 53:47
I'm really hopeful. I think this is why we have him. I think if if we're really serious, I can... I was trying to find what secretary Clinton thought about this. Because the thing about secretary Clinton was she was always pragmatic, was always willing to exert US force.
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Kara Swisher · 54:00
She loved it. She loved She loved a bomb And
Scott Galloway · 54:04
she never she never forgot where she came from, and that is she always in the back of her mind said, we are here for a lot of reasons, but we're here to protect and advance the rights of women all over the world. And there's a double whammy effect there because the rights of women are largely a forward looking indicator of your economic growth, prosperity, your move towards democracy. So there's a lot of reasons to just champion
Kara Swisher · 54:28
well known feminist.
Scott Galloway · 54:30
That's that's interesting. We are on the verge of such an enormous unlock by toppling the Islamic Republic. And, unfortunately, I I didn't watch Golden Globes, but I doubt there was very many mentions of Iran. Mhmm. Because when you're
Kara Swisher · 54:48
press Scott, let's be fair to them. There was no political... There was there was hardly any.
Scott Galloway · 54:53
Yeah. But quite frankly, I would argue... You tell me. I would argue the amount of mentions around Iran is is vastly underproportionate or underwhelming relative to its importance. And this will trigger a lot of people, but I want a spicy comeback, and I've decided my theme for 2026 is zero fucks given. It's because of the moral color code, and that is the media and progressives on our side of the aisle, especially the far left you. Alright. Get moral paralysis when the oppressors are brown. And the number of people that... I don't see any flotillas. I don't see Greta Thunberg. I don't see actors talking about what has been one of the most oppressive, misogynistic, antidemocrat... Kara, they blind women.
Kara Swisher · 55:40
I am aware of also all of... Many of those countries, which they have protested against. Come on, Scott. I mean, even if they're going in the right direction, that government should be eradicated. I just
Scott Galloway · 55:52
Let's let's stop there. And the way we do that is is just as we should be supporting the unbelievable bravery of the Ukrainian people with our military hardware and intelligence, we should be supporting the brave men and women of Iran right now. And we have the ability to do it. We have intelligence and technology from the IDF, and we have the muscle. It is time it is time to move to the next stage of this incredible multi thousand year civilization, and the potential
Kara Swisher · 56:25
I get it. I get it. We gotta move on. But let me just say if the goal is to do that, threatening our allies over Greenland is not
Scott Galloway · 56:30
No fucking sense. No fucking sense. Agree. No fucking sense.
Kara Swisher · 56:33
Alright. Let's take a quick break when we come back. Here's something else you have an opinion on. California's elite is not happy about a proposed billionaire wealth tax.
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Kara Swisher · 58:37
Scott, we're back with some more news. Google cofounder Sergey Brin and Larry Page are cutting some business ties with California ahead of a proposed billionaire wealth tax in the state. They aren't the only ones plotting for a way around it. Silicon Valley leads have been privately organizing to block the tax through a signal chat group called Save California. The tax would be a onetime levy in people worth more than $1,000,000,000. It's a couple 100 people, actually. It's not that many people. But some of them are not are not... Have a problem with Jensen Wong, so he's perfectly happy to pay it. At the end of the day, I'm not so sure these people will cut ties. They all seem to come back to California over and over again, and that's happening right now as you saw. San Francisco is is is is sort of back baby kind of thing in general. I know you have an issue about this with the ballot passes, but a lot of... It's not a great look, and I suspect... This is my feeling, and I've been talking to some of these people, is they'll have some sort of... They... I think the smart ones understand the jig is up on them being rich, like, being... Behaving the way they're behaving and the image of Silicon Valley. And they know they need to do something to to... Because they... I think they feel... The smart ones do feel that there is a real backlash against enormous wealth and the gimmicks they get. And so I suspect behind the scenes, there's a deal at play here. But I know behind the scenes, there's a deal at play. But, thoughts that you have on this? I mean, I think these... The Google guys benefited from California, so did all these billionaires, the the the wonderful state of California. And it's not a great look the way they're behaving. At the same time, they can move anywhere they want.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:16
So So if the objective is to signal to billionaires that income inequality is out of control and their weaponization of the tax code has really damaged America and created income inequality that threatens and tears of the fabric of our society, and you wanna reduce receipts from the California government, then this is your bill. Because this is the bottom line. Regardless of what you think is right or ethical, billionaires are the most mobile people in the world. And this has been tried before, and whoever wrote this bill has just not done their work. One of the people who's senior in this effort reached out to me thinking that I would get on board with it. And I said, there's no reason to do a call because I'm against this. In 1990, there were 12 European countries with wealth taxes, and now only three remain. France repealed its wealth tax in 2017. Sweden repealed it in 2007. Finland, 2006. Denmark repealed its wealth tax in 1997. Ireland repealed its wealth tax in 1978. Austria repealed its wealth tax in 1994. Where I'm living now in The UK, they have a nondom act. And ethically and logically, it makes a lot of sense. For a long time, if you moved from Dubai or Hong Kong to London and you were paying zero taxes there, you got to bring your zero tax status to London. That's kind of unfair if you're using The UK infrastructure. So they said, fuck that. You've been here five years. You gotta pay UK taxes. Makes all the sense in the world. Over a thousand million... 10,000 millionaires have left. The UK government is gonna collect less revenue this year, not more. Ethically, also, or principally, I'm against it because I think once you get through the gauntlet of taxes, it's private property. And I think one of the things about the West is we respect private property. I don't think you can go after people's assets retroactively. What they should have done or what they should do, and I love tax policy, they should have an AMT. We don't care who you are and how many tax goodies you've come up with. You're gonna pay at least 40% above a million dollars AMT. Do away with the inheritance tax deduction or vastly reduce it, raise corporate taxes. There's better ways to do this. But
Kara Swisher · 1:02:37
impossible, by the way, because they have all the money to stop every single one of those things. I don't mind the signal here to these people at all, and I think it is a signal. I'm not so sure. And I know there's some
Scott Galloway · 1:02:49
that I think higher taxes are coming for the wealthy.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:51
You are... It's enough with you people, and I think the signal is enough to begin the discussions. And they... Listen. They don't look good. Like, here's... Especially the Google guys, they made their fortune in California. So did Elon, by the way. All of them did. And to, like, kick it on the way out is such a look of of greed, and it was really interesting that Jensen Huang... Because he probably knows it's not gonna really
Scott Galloway · 1:03:16
Jensen doesn't think this is gonna go through.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:18
That's right. He's saying So he's saying,
Scott Galloway · 1:03:21
I'm a good guy. I'm one of you. I'm in favor of this. He's not worried about it.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:25
He's not worried about it, but he also knows... He understands what's coming. See, I find him much more canny. They're just so fucking dumb and greedy. Like, there's... They just they just always have to react when anyone wants them to do the right thing. Like, oh, I don't wanna have to do what I wanna do, that kind of thing. And so I think there's a real interesting interplay here with these wealthy people because I do think brand Silicon Valley is not good. It's not
Scott Galloway · 1:03:51
Oh, no shit.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:53
You know? So they they need to make a deal here.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:56
The UK is talking about... UK Australian counter talking about banning banning x, and it's only gonna go... It's only gonna get worse. I think Europe is probably gonna consider banning Meta if this shit continues with Trump. But just going back to tax policy, a better tax policy that would be more effective. I mean, this is the problem, is this... With this ballot and some of the conversation we're having here is something I've struggled with my whole life professionally. The difference between being right and being effective. Billionaires pay more tax in California to support the incredible infrastructure, the Cal State, the UC system, the hospitals, the environment. Absolutely, that's right. But the question is, how do you be effective? How do you actually increase the treasury to invest in the middle class and the infrastructure that made these people rich? And one thing you could do, it's boring, but it would be effective, is the following. You get taxed when you recognize a capital gain based on where the wealth was accreted. So when Bezos accretes, whatever it is, 80 or $120,000,000,000 in wealth, and then he recognizes it, the tax authorities go, okay. It's... We estimate that 90 of that $100,000,000,000 was accreted while you were a resident of Washington State. And so you are going to pay Washington State taxes on $90,000,000,000 instead of, like, you know, I'm thinking about selling my stock. I'm gonna piece out to Miami and shitpost San Francisco and then pay and pretend that I'm seeing my father. I couldn't handle San Francisco politics or homeless anymore. So I'm out to a zero tax state, and you can literally be there for twelve months and then recognize the entire capital gain without paying anything back to the great infrastructure. I think there are much more much more elegant
Kara Swisher · 1:05:34
Yeah. Ways. I I think this is the beginning of a dialogue. I just I don't I don't know, but I have a... They... Let me just tell you. They can walk... You know, do their angry walk out of California, but they're coming for you folks. You're not... Nobody likes you, and they don't think you're heroes, and they don't think you're great, and they don't think what you've done is great. And so if if there's one brand that's been more... That has has shot itself in the foot more, it's Silicon Valley. Not everybody, but a lot of people. Anyway, one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.
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Kara Swisher · 1:06:58
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Scott Galloway · 1:06:59
And I'm Scott Galloway.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:00
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Scott Galloway · 1:07:22
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Scott Galloway · 1:07:52
Okay. My win is actually... Well, the US military that executed the capture of Madura, Delta Force, first Special Forces Operation Detachment Delta, which is an elite army special unit that led the direct raid and the apprehension of Madura, the hundred and sixtieth special operation aviation regiment. And then there are these quiet helicopters, just on... Night prowlers. And then supporting the... Our brave men and women on the ground there were elements from multiple units, intelligence, mobility, the United States Air Force, United States Navy, the Marine Corps all had all had a role in this. I just think if you think about kinda soft power, if you think about America's influence around the world, of the 7,000,000,000 people in the world, 6,700,000,000 don't live here, and 6,000,000,000 are never going to come here, and 4,000,000,000 are never gonna have any interaction, or 3,000,000,000 are probably never gonna have any interaction with an American to an extent. So our ability to do business, to continue to attract the best and brightest, to convince them maybe not to cooperate with people planning to come here and harm us is based on our brand. And part of that brand should be soft power in a positive way, and that's why the cancellation of USAID was so terrible. But, also, some of it is is, quite frankly, as Madeleine Albright said, secretary Albright said, our reach as far in our memory as long. The brand message of this military flex and how it is executed has sent a chill down the spine of every adversary globally. Jesus Christ. Did you see what they did and how easily they did it? I think that the win here... And I'm actually in favor of the operation. US, Russia, and China were operating a shadow fleet. We also actually didn't get enough press. We seized a Russian tanker like it was wiping sweat from our brow. They did it so elegantly even though it was being shadowed by an Akilovese or class Russian sub. It could be an amazing ally. Anyways, we talked about this, but my win is the best performing organization in the history of of the world and as the US military. I just don't... I... I'm just fascinated by what people... My loss here is the moral color code of America where, unfortunately, my business academics have created a zeitgeist of oppressor and oppressed, and we've decided the shorthand for that is the color of the skin of the oppressor. And we go into moral paralysis, whether it's in Sudan or Afghanistan or, in this case, Iran, when the oppressors are brown. And I I just am disappointed that there's not more attention to what... I don't think you can call yourself a feminist if you're not talking about excited and very supportive of robust of robust action to overthrow what has been one of the most oppressive regimes globally. And I just don't see that nearly the type of coverage that some some other conflicts have received. And I think it's because in America, we do have what I would refer to as a a moral color code. And that is the damage done to the oppressed, the violation of human rights, the pursuit of democracy, the out of control misogyny are not what dictates our response. What largely dictates our response is the color of the skin of the oppressor. Okay. Alright. That's my fail. Also, I would be remiss if I didn't credit a lot of my thoughts around this to this this really impressive woman who I had the pleasure of meeting, a woman named Elica Lebon. And if you're not following her, you should. I think she's just so brave and so thoughtful around issues as it relates to Iran and other conflicts around the world.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:55
Alright. It's kind of funny that you say that because there was a story on Fox about wine moms, white wine moms
Scott Galloway · 1:12:01
White wine moms. White
Kara Swisher · 1:12:05
love that. Now the lesbians and white wine. Wine.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:07
The women the women of white wine.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:08
Oh my god. Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:11
Got started with that that justice's wife who had drank wine and still... And hung the flag upside down.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:16
Yeah. Well, she's a different white wine mom. She's from the other side. Let me do my fail first. What's happening with Grok? This... And and the fails are Apple and Google. And, of course, Grok, as always, is in terms of allowing child abuse and misogyny to just thrive and pretending it's free speech. What... Back in the day, I feel like child pornography was something we all agreed shouldn't happen. The fact that these companies haven't thrown grok out or demanded changes or anything and been vocal about this issue, and maybe they are behind the scenes, but I don't care. They should say it publicly, about what, Musk has been doing at Grok, which is disturbing. There were pictures of the woman who was killed in Minnesota with bikinis on in his spicy mode. Look. People are gonna make these things stupid anti women things all the time, but this is really repulsive when it comes to children. And and and this is something we shouldn't... I'm gonna do a whole show on it because I'm just so tired. And I I do... I I don't think the media has paid enough attention to this, but I don't think it's the media's fault. I'm not gonna, like, slap the media for it. I I think Apple and Google had... Have some influence here in terms of the App Store and everything else. And I I know, for example, that a federal judge just ruled that the lawsuit against OpenAI should go to trial, and that's perfectly fine. But the behavior of Grok is really pretty heinous. And so... And if... They're never gonna do something because it's Elon Musk, and he has no values whatsoever at this point. But Apple and Google certainly should and stand up. And the the lack of standing up by many companies these days is pretty disturbing on every level, but this this to me is the most disturbing that I've seen so far. And my win is, my win continues to be, people that, you know, that that are standing up, whether it's Jerome Powell, whether it's, even the Exxon executive. He just said the truth out loud about things. This is an administration of of cronies and hacks and terrible people that are still doing damage even if they're incompetent. And so anybody who speaks out and says things, I'm really... And Jerome Powell this week sort of gets that that for me, absolutely, even in a small way. I I I don't love when actors do it from stages, and I thought actually Jean Smart at the... Besides saying she's a greedy bitch for winning three times, which was very funny, was really... Did it well. Like, she said something very clearly, and at the same time, she understood. She's like, I understand people don't like to hear actors talking about these things, I'm a citizen in this. We have to do the right thing. I thought she did it in a really classy way. So that was a small way. I think Jerome Powell is doing the same thing, and I think everyone who calls attention to all this fucking nonsense. And also Jake Tapper for doing that excellent interview with Christina deserves credit for for for just saying, oh, come on. Fucking enough with you people. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot. Submit a question for the show or call 85551 Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to pivot and our new Scott Galloway. She's so pretty. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back on Friday. Scott, welcome.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:38
Stop laughing. Stop laughing.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:42
I just... I
Scott Galloway · 1:15:42
love every... Yeah. It's like it's not at my expense.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:45
I gotta say, everyone's like, why is Scott out? And I'm like, and they're like, facelift.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:51
No. It wasn't a facelift. You know? That's coming.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:53
That was what they said.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:54
That's coming.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:55
That's coming. Alright. Read us out, you pretty little lady.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:59
Today's show is produced by Lara Amon, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Bernie Retard engineered this episode. Rich Shibley edited the video. Thanks also to Gibrales, miss Severin, and Dan Chelan, the Charcotero OzVox Media's executive producer podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at edmymag.com/pod. We'll be back later this week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. I asked the surgeon just to look natural, and I think he misheard me and said, I wanna look naturally surprised. I'm looking at Ferraris, Kara. I'm looking at Ferraris. What is the hole I'm trying to fill here? What is the hole?
Kara Swisher · 1:16:40
Oh, it's a big one. It's a big one.
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