Kara Swisher · 43:07
A year ago. You know, just waiting and waiting and figuring is not really the thing to do here. And I I agree. You shouldn't just litigate unnecessarily, but there was... There's plenty of fodder for her and discovery and getting the case going and and showing who's boss. I think she's really blown an opportunity here. We'll see how it goes. I... Again, Holly very much articulated the problem right there in health care, how much information these companies will have in way. If they get into health care in a big way, watch out, I think. Anyway, Scott, let's pivot to a listener question.
Scott Galloway · 43:37
You've got you've got I can't believe I'm gonna be a mailman. You've got mail.
Kara Swisher · 43:43
This question came in via email. I'll read it. Hi, Karen Scott. I'm a 52 year old founder and CEO of the company here in London. Oh, you can have a friend, your new friend. My company hasn't done well as I would have liked. We're facing some unfun months ahead, and I'm considering a change. However, many of my clients are friends of mine, and they wouldn't be able to find another firm to provide the services we offer. I wonder what he provides. My question for both of you as serial entrepreneurs is how do you handle this situation? I don't wanna alienate my friends, but I'm concerned that my career is stagnating, there are more lucrative opportunities out there. Thanks in advance. And I hope to run into Scott in London. I will send you his address, sir. Listener asked us to withhold their name. Scott Galloway, London, England, near Buckingham Palace. I don't know where you live, actually. So what do you think about this? I say get out. I always get out. I always leave. I don't know. I just feel like if I'm not happy, I'm not doing... Unfun. If something's unfun, I undo it, and I go. You can't be working because clients are friends of yours, and they depend on you. They can always find someone else. By by the way, one thing, get out when it's unfun. Two, you're not, as my grandmother used to say, the graveyards are full of indispensable people. So, you're not indispensable. So, what do you think?
Scott Galloway · 44:54
You're exactly right. They say there's a reason why pilots tell you if there's a loss of oxygen or pressurization to affix your own oxygen mask first. You have to take care of yourself and your family. And you're not going to be able to take care of your clients if you're unhappy. This is an easy one. You figure out a transition strategy. You say to your clients, who are your friends, and you can be honest with your friends, I'm not happy. I don't like this. It's not going as well as I'd hoped. This is how I'm going to transition my services to another firm. You might be able to sell that client base. And you're responsible and you're not... It's like leaving a company. When you leave a company, you make sure that you exit gracefully. You don't give them two weeks notice and bail and leave them hanging. You transition your clients, you transition your responsibilities, you upscale people, you identify people who potentially take over your role, and you leave the place and your role hopefully as good as it was when you were there. He can absolutely do the same thing here, but his obligation is to the well-being, his own mental health, the economic security of his family. And his friends will understand.
Kara Swisher · 45:56
Yeah. We've like... We we tap out a lot, don't we? I mean, over our careers, we've changed for various reasons. But I think we do it because we don't like what we're doing and see other opportunities most of the time.
Scott Galloway · 46:07
Yeah. I've I've done it because I've been beaned in the fucking face and I have to find something else to do. Yours has been a function of opportunity. Mine's been a function of the world literally smacking me and saying, no. You should try something
Kara Swisher · 46:17
living in London. Not Kara Swisher. No. Not Kara Swisher. I'm just saying.
Scott Galloway · 46:21
I took Leia and Gangster to Regents Day. It's it's so amazing. It's off leash here. It's off leash. They terrorize everybody. It's hilarious.
Kara Swisher · 46:28
Fantastic. That sounds wonderful.
Scott Galloway · 46:30
It's off leash.
Kara Swisher · 46:31
Watch for the old ladies wandering around with that giant dog ears. Oh my god. Your dog off leash? That sounds very terrifying. Just let me know when that's happening.
Scott Galloway · 46:38
No. They're they're actually pretty nice People
Kara Swisher · 46:40
I people know. So anyway, a listener who does... Who's withholding their name, but is the... Lives in London, we say, go. Don't worry about it. Don't worry so much. People are so... You know, I have to say, let me just add one more thing here. Young people say this to me all the time. Like What time? I can't do it because my career, because of this. Get off the hamster wheel if you don't like what you're doing. I say this to everybody. Get off the hamster wheel. Absolutely. So No question.
Scott Galloway · 47:05
Yeah. With young people, it's different. I I don't know. I'm I'm... First thing
Kara Swisher · 47:10
is Stay in your lane, you're telling them. Go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 47:12
Well, stay in your lane is totally different. Stay in your lane is not don't do things or don't talk about stuff you shouldn't. I was miserable at Morgan Stanley within three weeks. But someone said to me, it's amazing platform. You're young, you have no credibility, stay the full two years.
Kara Swisher · 47:27
Oh, okay.
Scott Galloway · 47:28
With young people, it's different. You're looking to build credibility. And also, people think, oh, wait, this isn't as fun as college football. And my fraternity, I must not love it. No, it's called work. It takes some time. And also, there's a certain amount of shitty work just involved in getting started. And so my advice to a lot of people I just want to make sure a bunch of young people don't run out of quit their jobs. You do not wanna have a resume that looks like a tapestry coming out of your twenties until you have the credibility of a care swisher who can leave and has five other entities that want you to work
Kara Swisher · 48:01
for I used to leave when I was young. I'm gonna push. But go ahead. You keep going. Keep going.
Scott Galloway · 48:05
Well, I'm going to disagree and compliment you. I think you're more talented than most people, Kara. I think as Scott Galloway at Morgan Stanley at 23 that has no experience and not a hell of a lot of talent and has an opportunity to stick somewhere two years so I'm more attractive to business schools or that next thing, Unless you have another job, you want to be really thoughtful before you leave at a minimum. You want to talk to some lame boomers such as myself and just get the benefit of their advice. Because most people have a more difficult time getting a job when people show up and they've had three jobs in five years. I don't hire people who've had three jobs in five years. I go, what happened? What went wrong? And so, as a young person, you want to find a place where you're learning, hopefully a good brand, a good platform that builds credibility and currency, because very few people other than Kara Swisher know what they want to do in their early 20s. I thought I wanted to be an investment banker. That was ridiculous. I was terrible at it, and I hated it. That a
Kara Swisher · 49:03
fair point about not knowing what you want. I, though, think that I'm a life is too short person, and I... When I was very young, I left things constantly. I I I, you know, I I wasn't careless with church. I kind of was. I mean, I left that John McLaughlin thing when he was sexually harassed.
Scott Galloway · 49:19
I love how caught yourself. I wasn't incredible.
Kara Swisher · 49:21
Actually, I
Scott Galloway · 49:21
kind of was.
Kara Swisher · 49:22
I kind
Scott Galloway · 49:22
of As I reflect on it, I kind of was incredible. It was almost a moment of, like, humility, and you checked yourself.
Kara Swisher · 49:31
You couldn't do it. Humility almost creeped in. I say go, and you say stay for young people. I say get
Scott Galloway · 49:39
your No. No. Know what? Credibility. It's called work for a reason. Don't call daddy first before you make any big moves and leave a good firm, especially if it's a good platform.
Kara Swisher · 49:47
I say this to my kids. I'm like, quit school? Right. Good good decision. I'm always
Scott Galloway · 49:52
A friend... A kid who used to work for me broke my heart and left one to Google. He's like, I hate it here. I'm just managing keywords for Chili's. And I'm like, you're at Google. Stay there. Just stay there. Stay there until you're there
Kara Swisher · 50:01
at least two years. Don't listen to Scott. Go to London and stay at his house. This is a good question, London man. That might have been Prince Charles writing us. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 50:09
That's right. Would
Kara Swisher · 50:10
Hello. Probably it was Prince Charles.
Scott Galloway · 50:12
Yeah. I
Kara Swisher · 50:13
bet it was. He has, you know, unfun months. He's considering a change. He can't... He has many clients. Anyway, it's Chuck. Stick with the king thing. In that regard, you're the king. Stay with the king. Alright. Alright. You know my prediction? I don't like it. They don't like it. Now in a minute, if you've got a question of your own you'd like answered, send it our way. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 Alright, Scott. One more quick break, and then you can make your prediction. Prediction. Okay, Scott. Let's hear your predictions. Although, I'm gonna go first because one prediction I got right, Florida's attorney general has asked the supreme court to weigh in on the Florida and Texas laws governing free speech on social media. Here's what I said earlier this week. Problem is this has gone down a free speech path when it has nothing to do with free speech. And I agree, though, these companies have free speech too, and we'll see how it plays out, but it's gotta move to the Supreme Court. I don't see how any other way Sounds
Scott Galloway · 51:12
that way.
Kara Swisher · 51:13
This is not gonna be. The Supreme Court hasn't agreed to take up the case, but we'll see. So I think we were correct, both of us, because I'm being generous here. Go ahead. What is your prediction?
— Predictions segment begins —
Scott Galloway · 51:23
So after twenty four hours, I've come to the snap judgment that people underestimate just how incredibly powerful and important the queen was to the monarchy. And if you look at the pattern of all monarchies pretty much over the last century, they've primarily just petered out. And the whole construct kind of doesn't make sense. And I think the same is true here, but it'll be incremental. And I think that incremental effect of the monarchy starting to lose its power here. I think Northern Ireland is going to potentially talk about reunifying with Ireland. And I think Scotland, who's always justifiably been a little resentful of being ruled by The United Kingdom or
Kara Swisher · 52:07
Yeah, they're going to William Wallace. By England.
Scott Galloway · 52:09
It'll be nuanced. Think this is my prediction. I think Scotland is going to engage in a bid or an effort to try and rejoin the EU. I think that's their It'll be a twofer. Get they'll get to say, we're not stupid. I mean, you look at the leave, the leave thing was basically pushed over the edge by kind of rural Englanders. Basically, London wanted to stay. People in suburbs and the rural parts wanted to leave. And I think that the twofer for Scotland will be they want to be part of the EU, and they want to be away from England. And if you look at the Commonwealth, it's everyone from Australia, New Zealand, Canada, but it's also the Virgin Islands, Antigua, Jamaica. All of these places have the queen on their coins and their currency. I don't think they're going to want Charles. I think they'll use this as an excuse, and they'll be polite about it. They'll say, we still are big fans of the queen, but we're going use this as kind of final step in our independence. But I think you're going to see the Commonwealth, if you will, or the monarchy lose substantial territories. And the most interesting one, in my view, will be Scotland will engage in an effort to rejoin the EU.
Kara Swisher · 53:20
But Scotland would be a big problem.
Scott Galloway · 53:23
Scotland's big because they're pretty economically tied to each other. Northern Ireland isn't that big. That would be very symbolic reunification there. That would probably I don't know, maybe that'd be good for Ireland. But I think the biggest one would definitely be Scotland. They share obviously, they share a land border.
Kara Swisher · 53:39
What about Australia? New Zealand.
Scott Galloway · 53:42
Yeah. But that's I don't think they're nearly as integrated. It's not I think that's mostly symbolic at this point.
Kara Swisher · 53:47
Belize? Grenada?
Scott Galloway · 53:49
Yeah, I don't know. I think Scotland's the big one. I don't know. I think the other ones are mostly like, we like her. We put her on our currency. I don't think it's much more than that. Like Canada. But I think Scotland is much more economically integrated. I mean, Canada basically, my understanding is, well, the Scots have I need to learn more about this. Scots have representation in parliament at the end of the day. The parliamentary government here gets to decide, gets to make big decisions that affect Scottish citizens every day. That's not true of Canadian citizens. I think they saw that the connective tissue across the monarchy in the Commonwealth would start to fray after her loss. So what did they do? I don't think it's any accident that she died in Scotland. Yeah. I think she I think they strategically said, okay, she's not well. This might be it. We want to show our That's affinity a red fact.
Kara Swisher · 54:39
She did love that place, though.
Scott Galloway · 54:41
Oh, and it's a beautiful place. But if you look at her travel, she always said the queen needs to be... I think something along the lines of that the queen needs to be seen. It can't be a figment of people's imagination, and she used to go to all these places, and she created tremendous She
Kara Swisher · 54:55
did. They do all those tours. But, know, it's interesting at the top of this website, royal.uk, some information on this website may be out of date following the recent announcement of the death of the queen. You think they could change their website real quick. They have stuff though. They have a thing about the king and queen consort, but they're keeping her up there. They're keeping her brand up there over King Charles.
Scott Galloway · 55:15
But it's a moment, I think it was consumer. Whenever prices are raised, it's an opportunity people rethink or COVID was the mother of all rethink. People thought, okay, do I need to be buying this? Do I need to be approaching my life this way? I think her death will give a lot of these nations that were affiliated with the monarchy a chance to rethink their relationship. And I think a lot of them are gonna decide just politely to say, we're done.
Kara Swisher · 55:38
Yeah. We're done. Anyway, it really is an interesting time here. I think that's a good one. Do have any any others?
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 55:43
No. I said that I thought inflation was gonna fall as dramatically. I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to England versus Germany, Wembley Stadium, which I'm excited about. I'm gonna see Arsenal play Liverpool.
Kara Swisher · 55:54
When do go to Italy? Go visit their new Not
Scott Galloway · 55:56
for one problematic year.
Kara Swisher · 55:58
Prime minister.
Scott Galloway · 55:59
We're gonna soak up all the great Premier League football first before we head
Kara Swisher · 56:02
to Going up to your old homeland in Scotland? I love Scotland. I had Yeah. Some chicken
Scott Galloway · 56:06
I to Scotland to see the Rangers play in a couple weeks.
Kara Swisher · 56:08
Wow. So it's all around sports.
Scott Galloway · 56:10
You know what it's all around, Kara? I have no interest in sports. My 12 and my 15 year olds are football crazy, and my advice to any father is give up all notion that your kids are gonna be engaged in the shit you're interested in. That's about you. Being a good dad is about leaning into what they're interested in.
Kara Swisher · 56:25
I know. I can't talk basketball tournament, the hoop tournament, whatever. I went to it all day Sunday one day, the other day, not all day, a big chunk of it. I am very happy you're home. I'm very happy you're home. You were wandering around a little bit, but now I'm glad you're there with your family.
Scott Galloway · 56:42
I got all pissed off. Some fancy friends of ours invited us to this black tie thing tonight, and they said, oh, it's to benefit Amazon. And I'm like, I am not moving to London to go to a fucking fundraiser for Amazon. I hate Amazon. They're like, no, no, no. The Amazon, Scott. The Amazon. And I'm like, oh, sorry. Never mind. I'm in. I'm in. I'm like, I'm not going to a bad pit for
Kara Swisher · 57:03
Amazon. River for being named after the company I made.
Scott Galloway · 57:06
So angry. I'm so stupid and so in my own world. I thought there was a benefit for the ecommerce company in Seattle. I'm like, no. We're trying to save the Amazon, Scott.
Kara Swisher · 57:14
Go get a gin. Start it. Start it on the gin.
Scott Galloway · 57:17
Right? I'm wearing a kilt. Daddy's wearing a kilt tonight.
Kara Swisher · 57:19
Alright, Bridget. Oh god. Oh, Bridget Jones. I'm so happy to... You're... Yeah. I'm gonna call you Bridget Jones. Go ahead and read us out, Bridget Jones.
Scott Galloway · 57:27
Okay. Today's show was produced by Lara Naaman, Evan Engel, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Indertot engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows and Emil Severio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thanks for listening to Pivot, New York Magazine, and Vox Media. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. A wonderful quote from Norman Cousins I stumbled on today. Life is an adventure in forgiveness. We're so in our own heads. When anyone's not nice to you or there's a perceived slight, imagine the struggles you're dealing with, they're dealing with those too. Life is an adventure in forgiveness.
