Kara Swisher · 59:38
Everything. All that money went into stopping him, and he still won. And you don't have to like his ideas to be glad for that, and I'm very glad for that. Well done, Tina Brown. Well said. There's... They they need to shut the fuck up. That's my... That's how I would say it, but she's much more articulate.
Scott Galloway · 59:52
Well, they're not going to. What we need is more Americans to be activists and protest and vote for... Do the research, vote for whoever you think is best, not who has the most commercials running.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:04
But also, may I meet you? You're laughing.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:06
It's so funny. I went out. I took my doctor friend to Ruth Gardens, which is
Kara Swisher · 1:00:11
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:11
Kind of the hotspot here. Right. A bunch of
Kara Swisher · 1:00:13
you different hotspot every time I talk to you.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:16
Well, I'm on the massive arrested adolescents tour. It continues. Yeah. And three different people came up to me and recognized me and said said, may I meet you? And they said, what do you think of that? And the honest answer is, I think anything that encourages people to meet each other is a good thing. I might have problem with Bill saying that.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:35
No. You may not. You should not be due dating advice. This is
Scott Galloway · 1:00:38
I always started with, hey. Where are you from?
Kara Swisher · 1:00:40
Wait. I know. I like the... I told people your picture thing, and they... Everyone laughed there at dinner on Friday. I'm like, Scott's thing was take a picture of a selfie. He told the bartender... We all had a good laugh at your expense, and then turned around and say, this is from when our... You know, show when our children would meet. You know? Let's take a selfie together.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:58
There you go.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:59
The bartender was like, that person I would make sure left the bar.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:02
Left the bar. I'd call him a cab.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:04
Yeah. Creep his way.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:05
Yeah. I don't I don't I don't... Anyways, I don't I I don't know where we were headed with this, but I don't have a problem with with anything that encourages young people to start talking to each other. I'm getting a big pushback on my alcohol thing with a lot of people.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:19
Stick with it. I know you are.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:20
Yeah. Anyway
Kara Swisher · 1:01:21
Stick stick to your guns.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:23
Stick to your guns. Yeah. Is that... So that's your that's your failing
Kara Swisher · 1:01:28
or winning? I just like her saying that. I wanna articulate it. We have to fight. This is what it is. It's like you don't... These people don't have knowledge on everything. Like, they need... I think they need to shut up, but we should stop listening to them maybe is the better point. And there are ways to win.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:43
We have this wonderful guy, and before him was a wonderful one, and then they call him VP of student engagement or vice chancellor, whatever they call him, associate dean of student. And their job was to do programming at Stern. Occasionally, they make the mistake of asking me to get involved in administrative decisions, which never works out. And the last time I think they asked me to get involved was around the office of student engagement. And I said, I need to see... I think you should have higher... Greater criteria for student speakers other than they have three commas. We are so fond of inviting billionaires to speak to these kids. And I'm like, billionaires don't immediately inherit wisdom around life.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:25
You gotcha.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:26
They've just made a shit ton of money, and we should bring in people with domain expertise and and and academic credentials and accomplishments. And that's where I that's where I started my whole... I started going to these things where they always say, follow your passion. And I said, I figured out anyone telling you to follow your passion is already rich and made their billions in iron ore smelting. Like, these people are just kind of full of shit and are under the impression because a bunch of young people will look up to them because they made a lot of money. But the the more dangerous thing I find is that is that the super rich... First off, I think if the middle class really knew how the super rich live and how much power they had, there'd be a revolution. But what's more dangerous is the super rich lose their empathy. I don't I've never bought into this notion that the super rich are naturally bad people.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:12
I don't think that's true. Their empathy, though. You're right.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:15
But they have their own airports. They have their own transportation. They have their own visa procedures. They have their own access to family planning. They have their own health care. They don't have to wait in line in an ER. They have people come to their house to give them NAD treatments. They have their own schools. Yeah. Our kids can't read or write. My kids can read or write. Here's a fucking crazy stat. Average high school spends $15,000 per student. High schools in poor areas, 8 to 10,000. The average elite private school in America where the rich kids go spends $75,000 a year. So what do you know? When you invest a million dollars in a kid, he's better prepared for the real world than if you spend a $150 on them through the course of their childhood. So how can they really... They live in safe communities. How can they really empathize? It's like I've said, and this is virtue signaling. I don't think rich peep... People who grew up with money will ever understand what it's really like to not have money. I just don't think you can. I'm not saying you can't be sympathetic. I'm not saying you can't be a great leader, but you just insecurity. You don't understand that, like, shame you feel in a capitalist society when you don't have money. And rich people are losing touch with the American experience. So are they gonna fight for health care? Are they gonna fight for infrastructure? Are they gonna fight for funding for roads and subsidies for people who can't afford it? And by the way, in where I live in Manhattan, I never see homeless. I just don't see them.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:43
You're not looking. They're there. They're there. So May I just say, are you dating AOC right now? Is that what's happening?
Scott Galloway · 1:04:49
Is she... What? She'd been asking about me, be honest?
Kara Swisher · 1:04:51
No. Never. Never. I want your wins and fails now.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:54
I would
Kara Swisher · 1:04:54
ask you to speeches, but good. What what what are your wins and fails?
Scott Galloway · 1:04:58
Let me just disavow all notions that I'm running for president. Yeah. I would I would give it all up for AOC.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:05
Okay.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:06
I would give it all. Would be I would be the best first husband to AOC. I would just look at her adoringly all the time.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:12
Say, she's in a room with Emily Ratajkowski not talking about you.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:15
Oh my god.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:16
Can you please give your win and fail? We gotta get out of here.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:18
God. She's hot.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:19
None of them are in trouble. Your your fourth grade girlfriend's not interested in you. Anyway, please please please, please do your win
Scott Galloway · 1:05:27
and fail.
Speaker · 1:05:27
Trying to get me out of
Kara Swisher · 1:05:28
this Yes. Go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:28
As possible.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:29
Win and fail. Let's move. Flag. Let's focus. Land the plane.
— Predictions segment begins —
Scott Galloway · 1:05:32
My fails, I I don't think Americans have really recognized for the longest time until now just how incredibly impressive the people are who decide to go to work for our government, especially at the highest levels. I don't care Republican, Democrat. Generally speaking, people who people who get the call are the brightest people in the world. The hardest working... The people... Go meet a bunch of staffers from almost any office. Generally speaking, they're the most impressive group of young people you will ever meet. When you meet our diplomats, Republican, when you meet people really far down the line in the FBI, god, they're smart. And they can also kill people if they need to. Our people from our security agency... I was talking to the guy who ran cyber... The cybercrime division for the CIA. I'm like, Jesus Christ, this guy. This guy's the smartest person in the world who only makes $180 a year. And you meet these... Get to know the two women who ran... Who won governorships in Virginia and New Jersey, and you're like, Jesus Christ, these people are smart. And we have taken for granted, generally, administrations that are at a baseline level of competent. And guess what? That's no longer the case. We are putting out talking points from Russia on Ukraine that it ends up somebody didn't know were the talking points from Russia, and we're having to walk it back. We have a secretary of health and human services that is trying to link autism with vaccines on government websites. We have a secretary of education who referred to AI as a one, has no idea what AI is, and that's our head
Kara Swisher · 1:07:22
He got hit the head too much in the wrestling matches anyway.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:25
Ahead of the department of education. We have taken for granted this amazing American tradition where young people, when they get... Robert McNamara, terrible decision, ridiculously fucking bright guy, secretary of defense during Vietnam. Okay. You may not like the guy, but guess what? He was the best and brightest. The best and brightest in America usually go to DC, and that... And they still go to DC. But now we've decided, oh, no. Competence competence has been replaced by acolytes. Yeah. And it is starting to haunt us.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:01
Is this a winner or fail?
Scott Galloway · 1:08:03
Well, my fails... My my fail is very simple. My fail is the slow... Not even... The fast burn March fall degradation into total fucking incompetence. And America was always three things. We were incredibly real... Well resourced. We're incredibly violent, and we're incredibly competent. And guess what? That has paid off huge dividends for us because people know our memory is long and our reach is far, and we are a creative, well resourced, competent, violent people.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:36
Alright. And when?
Scott Galloway · 1:08:37
Anyways, that is going away. We're we're we're now like... You don't think people are gonna take bold actions against this when they look like these people have their head up their ass. They're not gonna know how to respond to our invasion of Taiwan.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:47
Well, hopefully, they'll be out of office soon enough.
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 1:08:50
Anyway, my win is... I've been watching this new program called Pluribus. Ah.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:55
I've heard it's great.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:57
It's strange. I think Vince I think Vince Gilligan kinda rewrote or tore up the playbook around original scripted drama. My favorite show ever is Breaking Bad. I felt like it called on so many interesting themes. So many interesting things around the the paternal desire to provide and going down this road to hell. And I also learned a lot about the meth market in New Mexico, which I didn't think I was gonna enjoy. But he's got a new show out. I don't wanna spoil it because I'm only two episodes in. But, anyways, my win is Vince Gilligan. I feel like a overdue nod to him for what I think is the best series in history, Breaking Bad, and
Speaker · 1:09:34
this new show looks like it's gonna be looks like it's gonna be a winner.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:37
She's a lesbian. Main character. You love a lesbian.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:40
Well, that's clear.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:42
Yes. That's clear.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:42
I'm just saying.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:43
Noted. Didn't know that.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:44
So in real life, she's she's on your team.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:47
No. On the show, she's a lesbian.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:49
Oh, everyone now on... In TV is a lesbian.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:51
Get
Scott Galloway · 1:09:51
it. Understand. Is a lesbian. That's like her.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:53
Yeah. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:54
All of a sudden, it's cool to be gay. It can never just be normal. It's either uncool or very cool. It can never just be gay.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:02
A lesbian. Just pointing out she's a lesbian. Anyway, I I... I'm gonna watch that show, and then we can discuss. That'll be good. Okay. Good. Anyway, as we said, we will miss you big balls, not even slightly. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 Elsewhere in the Kara and Scott universe, this weekend on with Kara Swisher, I spoke with Jennifer Welch from the podcast I've Had It. We talked about her frustration with house and senate, minority leaders, Chuck Schumer and Hakim Jeffries. Let's listen to a clip.
Speaker · 1:10:34
As much as Chuckles and Hakim drive me crazy, they are the leaders that we have. They they are who we have, and so I'm cheering for them to succeed. So if they can clean up their kind of embarrassing cringey posts and become more relatable, I'm gonna cheerlead for them. But I'm also not gonna be a sycophant for them and just go along with, boy, they wrote a strongly worded letter. Go get them chuckles.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:58
Right. The strongly that was badass. Strongly worded letter. I really mean it. She's great. She's a delight, I have to say.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:07
Yeah. You're having a moment.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:08
She's also very serious in a in a way. It's not silly. I mean, her names are hysterical, cankles, and etcetera. But she's got a very sharp mind, I have to say, and doesn't take anything at face value. I really enjoyed that talk. Fascinating background too of a... Her mother was an atheist, sort of introvert.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:26
Well, and it's also kinda cool. They live in Oklahoma.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:28
Mean Oh, she just moved to New York, so we're gonna have a party at your house in case you're interested. Yeah. We're having a dinner party at your house.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:34
It's fine as long as I don't have to be there.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:35
No. You have to be there. Yeah. It's gonna be Jennifer. It's gonna be all these badass ladies. It's gonna be great, and you're gonna be serving the the canapes. Anyway, that... Was just gonna ask you if we can use your house for the party.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:46
Know the answer is yes. Just
Kara Swisher · 1:11:47
don't wanna
Scott Galloway · 1:11:48
be there.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:48
Oh, come on. They would love to see you. And, yeah, we love you.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:51
Don't like people.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:52
I understand, but you like these badass ladies drinking tequila at your house. Like I'll give you that. She's a fun girl, let me just say. Let's say she's she's a lot of fun. Anyway, that's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. And, also, happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Happy... Are you having Thanksgiving there, Scott?
Scott Galloway · 1:12:11
Oh, yeah. We love Thanksgiving.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:13
And so everybody, happy Thanksgiving. We give thanks for you. I hope you give thanks for us. I give thanks for Scott and the whole team here at Pivot. That's nice. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:22
Today's show was produced by Lara Nayman, Zoe Marcus, Taylor Griffin, and Kate Gallagher. Ernie and her Todd introduced this episode. Jim Mackle edited the video. Thanks to officer Dubrowz, miss Severo, and Dan Shalon. Nishat Kurow is Vox Media's executive producer podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. What is the... One of the things that is most productive for your mental health is on a regular basis, Be grateful. Be thankful this weekend, and then use it as an opportunity to every night try and be thankful for something in your life. You'll just feel better about everything.
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Scott Galloway · 1:14:09
Afternoon glare totally ruined my watch party for the big game. That's when my buddy recommended blinds.com.
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Scott Galloway · 1:14:37
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