Kara Swisher · 40:17
But they are gonna figure out new ways to misinform. And that's I... That's where I wanna be sort of ahead of the the game here is what are they up to now? What are they what are they moving in on now? What is the... What are the what are the abuses they're gonna they're gonna take, the tools they're gonna take advantage of, the abuses they're gonna perpetrate doing that? And that, I think they stay ahead of us so quickly in terms of us trying to teach people civics or ethics in school. But you're right. These companies are where this starts. These companies have to not tolerate this happening again and again and again. And they do. They tolerate it. And they're doing it maybe out of some laudable idea around first free speech, but it's really not. You know, the Peter Thiel's are in charge here, not the Microsoft.
Scott Galloway · 41:01
I'm hopeful than that. The amplification, or the algorithms of amplification are weapons. And we have mostly, mostly dealt with how to regulate and punish people who abuse weapons. And over the medium and long term, we have to have an appreciation for education and history and science and truth. In the short term, absolutely, absolutely the thing that would have the most impact, the most impact is a big tech executive does a perp walk.
Kara Swisher · 41:32
You keep wanting a tech. This is never, I know this is your dream fever sequence, but they're never gonna take it.
Scott Galloway · 41:40
We have put people in prison for so much less.
Kara Swisher · 41:42
Aunt Becky, She's out
Scott Galloway · 41:43
If now, I we put Aunt Becky in prison for sending $50,000 to a tennis coach, we should arrest somebody who has knowingly, knowingly aggravated, inflamed, and used their infrastructure for the coordination of sedition. And that has happened across these platforms knowingly. Somebody needs to do a perp walk. And it was outrageous when I said these companies were gonna be broken up three years ago. Was outrageous when I said Sheryl Sandberg was in the next coming of Christ. You watch. It may not happen.
Kara Swisher · 42:14
She's reaching out to democratic people, just FYI.
Scott Galloway · 42:18
Yay. That's what I heard.
Kara Swisher · 42:20
I just want you to be prepared for her reentry into the political scene.
Scott Galloway · 42:25
Happen on European soil. It may not be the individual... The famous individual. The the most effective thing we could do in the short short term across any of this comes down to one word, accountability. The only way we unify is we need to unify around a set of values. And these values have been torn apart, there needs to be accountability.
Kara Swisher · 42:46
I just think they throw someone to the line. Like, don't feel badly about the parlor guy, but I think he's a scapegoat. Think that's think right.
Scott Galloway · 42:52
That's true.
Kara Swisher · 42:53
Mean, think I heat shield. Right?
Scott Galloway · 42:54
He's a heat shield.
Kara Swisher · 42:55
Yeah. I think I gave him a heat shield by doing that. Anyway, Scott, one more quick break. We'll be back for predictions. Thank you, Kristen, from Sacramento.
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Kara Swisher · 44:09
Okay, Scott, it's the end of an era. We start a new one. Besides your perp walk situation, give us a hopeful prediction. You don't think can give us a non hopeful one.
Scott Galloway · 44:18
Well, I am hopeful, Kara. I think that there's enormous opportunity once we enlist, you know, the reason we won World War II, people like to think, and our young men and women demonstrated exceptional bravery and creativity, but quite frankly, we overwhelm them with gasoline production and just brute And the engine of capitalism, young people are embracing socialism, they're wrong to do that. The friction and prosperity of capitalism, the full body contact friction, and also the recognition that will be winners and losers creates a level of prosperity that we then through empathy and redistribution of income and social programs such that seniors don't starve, such that people are not food insecure creates more prosperity, more mobility and wash, rinse and repeat. Capitalism works. And when we finally have the opportunity to put a full throated capitalist response to this virus, if we get to, if we get to a 100,000,000 vaccinations, which is approximately a third of the population, if it's targeted at our most vulnerable and the people who have the most contact with other people as a function of their profession, we could probably fatalities down eighty percent. And I don't wanna say that as a means of providing cold comfort that this war is over, but I would argue that the war has begun. We have a fantastic weapon. We have been given a P-fifty one Mustang. I don't wanna say we've learned how to split the atom because that sounds a little macabre, but we have been given a fantastic gift. I think the Trump administration deserves some credit for that. I think you have to give the science, the pharmaceutical companies, the CDC, and to a certain extent, the Trump administration, but we have a fantastic weapon. And now when we put a full throated capitalist response behind it, the greatest engine of productivity and prosperity and history behind it, I think in three, in ninety days, one hundred and twenty days, we could see a dramatic crisis
Kara Swisher · 46:21
100 in million in the arms. That's what they say.
Scott Galloway · 46:23
That's right. And the key is that it's in the right 100,000,000 arms.
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Kara Swisher · 46:25
You know what? I want Jeff Bezos to show up at my house and give me my vaccine.
Scott Galloway · 46:28
That's what well positioned to do it. They're HIPAA compliant.
Kara Swisher · 46:31
No. I want him.
Scott Galloway · 46:32
You want
Kara Swisher · 46:32
him? I want him in particular
Scott Galloway · 46:33
to come to sticking himself every week for something called testosterone. Jesus. Have you seen how jacked that guy is? My god.
Kara Swisher · 46:41
Yes. Said the man who, like, jacks himself.
Scott Galloway · 46:43
That's right. Hello, ladies. Gun show's
Kara Swisher · 46:45
in town. Yeah. I know. Gun show's in town. Really disappointing on many levels.
Scott Galloway · 46:49
That's right.
Kara Swisher · 46:50
I'm gonna do a thing. Speaking of working out, Peloton will be in the White House. You do said silly story in the Times. I like... I loved doing her times. That story was silly. He has one, and they were, like, going on about the the digital problems with it because it's a connected device. Mhmm. But Peloton has been in the White House according to my sources. I think was Michelle Obama had one. Think Michelle Obama had one. And they they can unconnect it and then just put a computer full of all the classes right there. So the the... And bring a new bunch of classes in every couple of weeks, I guess. It's very easy to bring a Peloton. And it was such ridiculous. Oh my god. But I'm glad, frankly, he's working out. Like, god, we
Scott Galloway · 47:27
have a
Kara Swisher · 47:27
president who actually
Scott Galloway · 47:28
looks had one and she hung her Christian Louboutins on them.
Kara Swisher · 47:32
She... Okay. That is
Scott Galloway · 47:34
Come on. You love that.
Kara Swisher · 47:36
She was... That outfit change of hers, I was like, I really can't stand you, lady, but well played. Like, she put on the Gucci. She, like, was wearing all black. She was... She went from Amanda said black widow to, like, Gucci Palm Beach lady in, like, fourteen seconds. Me let me ask you that picture.
Scott Galloway · 47:53
I'm just curious to get your take.
Kara Swisher · 47:54
That outfit was like, seriously, it's... I was like all black. Like, she looked great, even though kind of
Scott Galloway · 48:00
It's a beautiful woman.
Kara Swisher · 48:01
In that kind of cheap, cheap way. But she has, and then she her on cheap, but it's not cheap. The expensive cheap one. Give me a sense. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 48:09
Two, four years out, what is Melania's legacy? Nothing.
Kara Swisher · 48:14
She's just a nothing I'm sorry. Zero. She's a selfish, rich lady. I don't know what else to say. I hope her kid turns out well, I guess. I think she seems like a very good mother. But her values are... Just even just reading that Stephanie Wilco, just the tapes, she's just a type. If you ever run really rich people, that's what they're... A lot of those ladies are like that. I have been around a lot of those ladies and she's just like them all.
Scott Galloway · 48:41
Think that's biased. Think that's a cartoon of rich people. I think most... I think a lot of rich people got rich because people... Because they're good people.
Kara Swisher · 48:47
I get it, but not
Scott Galloway · 48:47
her. Yeah. No, I a 100% agree with that.
Kara Swisher · 48:49
She's class of Florida lady that you have met and she is the top level of that.
Scott Galloway · 48:55
We're talking about Ivanka, right? Oh, wait, no, Melania. Melania, sorry.
Kara Swisher · 48:58
I know Ivanka. That'll be the interesting one. Thinking around her governor's legal. Whatever.
Scott Galloway · 49:04
I gotta admit it. I would enjoy that. I'm thinking of writing her a check just as a point of light to push her into the I
Kara Swisher · 49:10
would enjoy I... Just as... You know, Melania's, I get. I totally... She's garden variety rich late, you know, that kind of lady, bought rich lady. Mhmm. Ivanka, I don't even begin to understand and unpack that.
Scott Galloway · 49:23
Try something new. That was her advice to people struggling. Try something new.
Kara Swisher · 49:28
I'd like to see her real personality. I'd like to... I'm I'm like, let me see what you're actually... I mean, she's mean. She's... She seems mean to me underneath, and I don't know. I just would like to see the real Ivanka. Yeah. Ivanka. She reminds me of a couple people I covered in Silicon Valley.
Scott Galloway · 49:44
Can you get her on...
Kara Swisher · 49:45
Where they are? She ever
Scott Galloway · 49:45
come on Spy? Would she ever come on Pivot? You know, Jared is in my class. I wouldn't call us friends, but we're friendly. I wonder when he
Kara Swisher · 49:52
Difficult person to interview. Let me get your let me get your advice, then we'll go. I There's a couple people like a Josh Hawley who I was thinking of interviewing for his book, talking about tech and stuff like that. I don't know whether I really want to have them on because the constant lies that you just sit there. So, you know, Bill Maher had Kelly and Conway on. You know, someone pointed out, and this is correct, is he blocked 25% of her lies, but then the other 75% got through.
Scott Galloway · 50:18
Bill and her have been friends for decades.
Kara Swisher · 50:20
Okay. Fine. But nonetheless, it it... Whatever. If you have any of those people on, I don't wanna... I am not gonna be able to block every stupid lie. Like, in the case of the parlor executive, no one knew what he was thinking, and so I got his But we know what Josh Osley thinks. He's also seditious as far as I'm concerned. And so, you know, I'm just using his as an example. It's like don't like... Or an Ivanka or any of those people, which I am not interested right now, but you spend your whole time blocking lies, and you you can't block them all. You know what I mean? It's like slapshot, slapshot, lie, lie, lie. And so I don't think that's helpful. And if if I do well and get, like, 60% of them, everyone compliments me for blocking lies. And I don't think that's a very big I don't think that's a very big talent. I think it's just what it is. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 51:04
So I think with Kellyanne Conway, we should just stop giving her oxygen. I saw this this this TikTok of of these screeds she goes on against and her I thought, a, that's an invasion of privacy, and b, I'm just... Let's just stop giving Well,
Kara Swisher · 51:17
my daughter put them up.
Scott Galloway · 51:18
Let's just stop giving her oxygen. I think you are a reasonably good interviewer. And so look, I think a journalist such as yourself who's informed and not afraid to push back on a senator who's trying to position himself as a presidential candidate and also sees himself as someone who's thoughtful about tech, I think that can be productive. So, yeah, I think there's a difference between giving oxygen to Kellyanne Conway and to Senator Josh Hawley, because he is elected by the people. He is a viable candidate for president. And he's, in my opinion, you know, guilty of sedition. I think you will have the ability and you have the backbone, and quite frankly, balls to say, a lot of people would argue that you understand these cases were sent down. Aren't you guilty of sedition? Your turn. I mean, I don't saw, yeah, I think that, think
Kara Swisher · 52:15
a legitimate journalist is legitimate. Like, but sometimes like journalists love to get these slap masks and then they go, oh, what a winner. And I'm like, nothing's been won there. Nothing's been illuminated. You're just slapping down lies. And so I don't... And and they get kudos for it. Like, oh, good job slapping down Trump's lies. I'm like, why? Why? We knew he was a liar. Like, why is that?
Scott Galloway · 52:37
Anyway Yeah. But here, one last thing. Scripture tells us to envision that everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid, says Amanda Gorman. Says Amanda Gorman. Oh my god. Oh my god.
Kara Swisher · 52:51
I'm gonna talk... You know who I wanna talk to? Amanda Gorman. I wanna talk to Gorman. I wanna talk to people like that. Anyway, Scott, as usual, this was fascinating because we are so fascinating.
Scott Galloway · 53:01
So fascinating, Kara? Because it's because being American is more than a pride we inherit, Kara. It's more than a pride we inherit. Oh my god. Gangster. I love this humor.
Kara Swisher · 53:12
Okay. But we're not... Let me just say, even though MSNBC and and Fox have kind of problems, we don't because there's always trouble in business, Phil. So we are always there to give you insight. What happens to
Scott Galloway · 53:21
us when Trump is gone? Have we contemplated that?
Kara Swisher · 53:24
We don't talk about it. We talk about a lot of things. Oh, we've got lots of places to go, my friend.
Scott Galloway · 53:28
Places we shall go.
Kara Swisher · 53:29
There's always a WeWork around the corner. Lover. There is always a WeWork around the corner.
Scott Galloway · 53:35
That's right.
Kara Swisher · 53:35
Okay. That's the show. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit your question for the podcast. The link is also in our show notes. Scott, read
Scott Galloway · 53:43
us show was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Our show was engineered by Ernie Intratod. Thanks also to Hannah Rosen and Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts, or if you're an Android listener, check us out on Spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. If you like the show, please recommend it to a friend. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. We'll be back next week for a breakdown of all things tech. A nation not broken but unfinished, Kara.
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