Scott Galloway · 20:52
Hearing, hands down was the guy who decided to put a black woman up as a prop and to prove someone isn't racist. I thought that was not only racist, but just generally just ridiculously stupid.
Kara Swisher · 21:04
Yeah. And then Saturday Live had a good skit on that.
Scott Galloway · 21:07
And then winner... Oh, who are your loser... Who who are your winners and losers? And then I have a I have a win.
Kara Swisher · 21:11
Oh gosh. I just... I do feel that that that that hearing... I I think Trump is not doing really well, but you never know with him. He's like, you know, he's like Teflon in a lot of ways. So I don't know. He just seems to, you know, lost here and there, and his social media stuff is sort of petering out. No one's... He does something crazy on social media. Everyone's like, oh, is he yelling again over there on Twitter? Yeah. So I think there's some bit of... Just as what happened when his show started to, to lag. And I... Again, as you know, I've watched every single episode of The Apprentice. You got tired of it. Like, you're like, oh, stop talking.
Scott Galloway · 21:42
Good to
Kara Swisher · 21:43
I think I think maybe he'll gin it up again, but I think people are tired of being in an outrage over whatever he says next. So we'll see. And I think it could fail. I think the Democrats might have overextended with all their subpoenas. We'll see.
Scott Galloway · 21:56
Yeah. And what about what about... Tell me, you had, giving credit where it's due, you had the best prediction of the last month and that is the day before Amazon pulled out. You actually predicted that. What do you think of this letter that's been circulated by Cuomo and all these business leaders in New York asking them to
Kara Swisher · 22:12
They're not coming back. Yeah. That's not Jeff Bezos' way. No way. Yeah. I agree. He does not suffer fools. I'll tell you that. That is one thing about him, and I I... It's one thing I like about him. But, I don't see how they could be pulled back. And think of the controversy if they came back, what they'd have to give them. And, you know, they're better off doing what they're doing. And they... You know, I... Again, as you know, I thought the whole thing was a circus.
Scott Galloway · 22:33
So Yep.
Kara Swisher · 22:33
And, you know, it would be nice for them to have a thing. They should just open something up just like Google has a big thing near Chelsea Market, and, Netflix has a big office in New York. It just... They should just have one. Like, stop. Like, it's no big deal. They have a big... They they should have one in Washington. They should have maybe one in in the Midwest perhaps. But this idea of a multiple HQ is kind of insane as far as I can tell.
Scott Galloway · 22:56
I don't know. Just... You know, I I did the math here. So supposedly 25,000 jobs for $3,000,000,000. So at at l two, we created a 150 high paying jobs, which I believe entitles me to $19,000,000. So with $19,000,000, I've literally thought about this.
Kara Swisher · 23:12
Think you should wait for Cuomo to show up or
Scott Galloway · 23:14
Sure, launch well, okay. Don't think it's that, people laugh but I don't think it's that outrageous. Small business creates two thirds of the jobs in
Kara Swisher · 23:21
I agree, agree. Where's It's $19,000,000
Scott Galloway · 23:24
And I figured it out. The cement helipad costs a $150. I'm putting mine on the top of faculty housing, and we're union, so let's assume it costs 1,000,000.
Kara Swisher · 23:32
Do you have a helicopter?
Scott Galloway · 23:33
Well I've been looking at them on control. I can get an Airbus a three forty for about $3,000,000. Cause I'm not greedy. I just want a dual engine roto helicopter. So I've got 4,000,000. So that leaves me $15,000,000, which will get me a chipotle pulled pork burrito bowl for the next hundred and thirty four years. Okay. So where's my helipad and my burrito bowl? I've created these jobs. By way, Tim Cook's not running around with his handout. Apple's created He's
Kara Swisher · 23:57
He's not. That's what I mean. He's an adult.
Scott Galloway · 23:58
Google's doubling the number of jobs in New York. They don't have their handouts. So Bezos, you know, finger off the camera and hand back in your pocket, boss.
Kara Swisher · 24:05
Yeah. I know. It's stop it. Oh my god. Tasteless as ever.
Scott Galloway · 24:10
There you go.
Kara Swisher · 24:11
International travel is not Jane... I am
Scott Galloway · 24:14
who I
Kara Swisher · 24:14
am, Karen. You know, it's interesting. I'm gonna be having Gavin Newsom, but you are also coming to the CODE conference in June, we can ask him about this kind of stuff. Like, he's... You know, he he has a state that has a lot of the tech, and then it's an... It'll be an interesting question is how do you... I'd love to know his thoughts on on the Cuomo situation.
Scott Galloway · 24:29
So I have a Gavin Newsom story.
Kara Swisher · 24:30
They both have good hair.
Scott Galloway · 24:31
Yeah. I get... I had a... I mean... Go ahead. In 1995, I thought I was gonna be, like, crazy rich. I started an internet company and all the bankers were telling me, was like, Oh, I was going be suicidal. Oh, well, if I'm going to be super rich, it means I'm super important and I should run for office. So I started talking to people in local politics about running for supervisor in San Francisco. And I went to this forum and I met this guy who had just become or was running for supervisor named Gavin Newsom. And I shook his hand, I looked at him and I talked to him like, that's it. There's no fucking way I could ever be anything. No. This guy... I mean, literally, this is, twenty years ago. And I remember meeting this guy and going, I don't know what this guy's gonna do, but it's gonna be impressive. It's like, okay.
Kara Swisher · 25:11
Super smart. Really like Gavin.
Scott Galloway · 25:13
Super articulate and, like, tall and handsome and like, okay.
Kara Swisher · 25:18
Beautiful skin. Oh my gosh. The whole nine yards. Wow. He's just... She's... In that way, he's flawless. He's actually a really interesting and complex person. I think people, you know, his
Scott Galloway · 25:26
Complex love because he was banging his campaign manager's wife.
Kara Swisher · 25:29
What makes Let him him... You know what, Stan?
Scott Galloway · 25:31
We'll make him complex.
Kara Swisher · 25:32
Fair but for the grace of God.
Scott Galloway · 25:33
What makes him complex?
Kara Swisher · 25:35
I'm just saying he... Well, his current wife and 17 children, he was like, my my brother oddly... Here's a weird thing. My brother's been the anesthesiologist for his 19 children or whatever. He... At at the hospitals in California that he go to. My brother's
Scott Galloway · 25:49
been his anesthesiologist for My brother's been ever said. My brother's been his anesthesiologist for his
Kara Swisher · 25:55
Well, that's who he just is. It's not his. His wife's when they when they had the babies. And they have... Anyway, that's TMI. But, but nonetheless, he's a lovely guy, and he's... We... An interesting... It'll be an interesting questions. He's he's turned his life around. Let's just give Gannon.
Scott Galloway · 26:09
I'm I'm not sure it ever needed turning around, and there's a couple speed bumps that... Like you.
Kara Swisher · 26:12
There are. But He's so likable. Trump just said every... Like, it's Wednesday for Trump. So don't even start. Don't even start.
Scott Galloway · 26:18
Gavin Newsom I'm gonna When when he does bad things, it makes him more complex.
Kara Swisher · 26:22
Yeah. But, you know, the the person in question that he... That that happened to it, they all said it's fine. Like, so let's It's not like What I don't get is stepped up into Roger Stone and payments and Michael Cohen. There's not a Let's
Scott Galloway · 26:33
talk about Gavin. I don't know if people ever wanna start by politics, Why but can't wouldn't, as governor of California, tall, handsome, smart, complex as you put it, why wouldn't he be mentioned more often as a candidate
Kara Swisher · 26:45
for president? He's not gonna run. He said it. He said it. He said it already. He might someday, but he's not gonna run now.
Scott Galloway · 26:51
Yeah. By the way, speaking of friends, a friend of mine from business school, really impressive woman, Eleni Sakokopoulos, is the lieutenant governor.
Kara Swisher · 26:57
Oh, great. That's great. Well, I will be forever in his death for doing the gay marriage thing when it was very unpopular.
Scott Galloway · 27:02
Yeah. Illegal. You did it when it was illegal.
Kara Swisher · 27:04
Let me just say leadership. Yeah. Leadership. Leadership. Leadership. And I I... When someone does that at a time where it really hurts them, I'm I'm I'm gonna be very loyal in that regard. And I'm not an identity politics person. I just said it showed leadership. Good. And I really appreciated that.
Scott Galloway · 27:18
So win win. I just... I wanna get out there another win.
Kara Swisher · 27:21
Well, last one.
Scott Galloway · 27:21
Alright. I don't know if you felt this way. We're about the same age. I was actually quite sad when I heard about Luke Perry. And I don't know why I was trying to figure out why do I care about Luke Perry? He seemed like a decent guy part of my youth at least watching ninety thousand two ten. Also, He was in a movie that if you have Netflix called Normal Life with Ashley Judd, it was actually a pretty good movie.
Kara Swisher · 27:43
Wow.
Scott Galloway · 27:43
And I just felt bad for the guy. And then the other guy I heard about that really sort of made me sad was to hear about Alex Trebek is suffering from pancreatic cancer.
Kara Swisher · 27:53
Very, you know, late stage too.
Scott Galloway · 27:55
So, you know, pulling for you for a 100. Alex Trebek. Nice man. Infinitely Canadian.
Kara Swisher · 28:00
You know, I don't know if you're aware of this, but I wrote a very... It's become a very popular column in the Times this week.
Scott Galloway · 28:05
Well, of course it is. Of course it is. There it is. I don't know if you know this, but I write what has become a very popular column.
Kara Swisher · 28:11
It was. No. I wrote about my stroke.
Scott Galloway · 28:13
But not in
Kara Swisher · 28:14
one my columns. Listen. When I write about Internet bylaws, it's not popular even though I write about it. I write about issues international. When But I wrote about my stroke, I got dozens and dozens of people having a similar thing, many of whom survived, some of whom had people that didn't survive. It was a really interesting thing to write about my own stroke.
Scott Galloway · 28:31
I've learned
Kara Swisher · 28:31
so much about this. When did that
Scott Galloway · 28:33
go down? When did that happen?
Kara Swisher · 28:34
Seven... You should read the column. It's seven years ago. I had it in Hong Kong. My brother saved my life. He's a doctor. The doctor that delivered, Gavin Newsom's children... Or not delivered. Was the anesthesiologist. So I had a stroke in Hong Kong, and, I I was ignoring the signs and thought it was just a headache and just a weird thing. And my brother said, get to a hospital right now. You're having a stroke. And I did within the... You have to get there within three or four hours to be able to be okay.
Scott Galloway · 28:59
And what are the signs? Just so we can make this a public announcement? What are
Kara Swisher · 29:02
the signs? I wrote them the thing, but you... Tingling in my hand. There was ting... I couldn't keep something in my mouth. I had had, this called dysphasia, which I I garbled my words Yep. Several words for a while just for a short time. I had a TIA, which was a a mini stroke, it's called. Yeah. But if I hadn't gotten help, I could have died very easily. And so
Scott Galloway · 29:20
So coming out of just quickly. Coming out of that near death experience or something that could have been really bad, anything, any way or approach to life that changed?
Kara Swisher · 29:29
Well, yes. I became worse than I am now. Yes. I talked about that in the piece. Like, one of the things I said, if you wanna understand the roots of why I'm so considered so tough, it's like, don't have time for this. Like, you... I don't have time. You... And my dad died of a cerebral hemorrhage too. So it all sort of made me think that, we have little little time on this earth, and I really don't
Scott Galloway · 29:47
have And for it goes faster and faster.
Kara Swisher · 29:49
Yeah. And I... So instead of manifesting itself in niceness for me, it manifested itself in What the fuck? Come on. What are you doing?
Scott Galloway · 29:57
Short. I'm not gonna be nice. I'm gonna
Kara Swisher · 29:59
No. Not nice, but I'm nice to my kids and stuff like that. No. But it was more like, you know what? No. Yeah. Like, I... I'm very outspoken. Interesting. It was good. It was an interesting issue. I was sad to see Luke Perry die. It was very
Scott Galloway · 30:11
Not sad. Alright?
Kara Swisher · 30:12
I I spent so much time watching nine zero two.
Scott Galloway · 30:14
Well, you know what? It's not... Let's give him his props. It's not easy to play a high school student when you're 38. I mean No. No. That's real thirst... Thespio range.
Kara Swisher · 30:22
Twenties. He was so good. They were all good. I love the kids at West Beverly High. There you go. I could go into it. I'm not gonna do this a lot. Listen. We gotta get to predictions.
Scott Galloway · 30:29
Okay.
— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 30:30
Let's get to predictions. Alright, Scott. I'm not feeling very predictive, but I predict we're gonna have delicious barbecue in South by Southwest.
Scott Galloway · 30:36
Weird. I just hope.
Kara Swisher · 30:37
I just Maureen Dowd that... Thought the Mueller report would be out soon. Yeah. So So that wasn't... That's not... That's continuing not to happen. But she had a couple that actually did come true. And then Lauren Goode, hope Twitter would get better. Yep. I don't think that's like a pretty level. What is
Scott Galloway · 30:51
that? Hopes Twitter
Kara Swisher · 30:52
get better? Can you best our predictions?
Scott Galloway · 30:55
Well, I don't know. So my mine actually circles back to Maureen Dowd, and that is she said something really interesting, and that was that she thinks the nation is scarred from the fact that we went through this financial crisis people, the incredible destruction of household wealth, and that no one went to jail, And that the society still hasn't forgotten that and holds the government responsible. And that is one of the major reasons that people have lost so much faith in the government or believe the true, game is rigged.
Kara Swisher · 31:24
She did.
Scott Galloway · 31:24
So my prediction is around big tech and it goes further into kind of Facebook, is that I do believe that someone's gonna go to jail from big tech. I believe if think, okay, you believe someone is in fact gonna go to jail, because we know things will get worse, we know that more bad stuff will come out. And if someone is the fall guy, if it's a company or the fall company, I think most likely it would be Facebook. And this is more of, and it's not a warning, but I genuinely believe this. I think someone's gonna go to jail. I think it's most likely someone's gonna go to jail from Facebook. The other thing I'm pretty sure of is it won't be Mark or Cheryl. And so I don't have a lot of friends at Facebook, but I'm friendly with a lot of people at Facebook. My advice to them and a lot of my kids who graduated from my class went to work at Facebook, that if you're ever in a room and people are making excuses or glossing over content that is motivating harm to other people, if you're ever in a room where they're talking about or glossing over editorial content that perhaps might be weaponizing elections. I think it's really smart and prudent to have memos to the file and to maybe voice
Kara Swisher · 32:29
Memos like Kelly and Don A
Scott Galloway · 32:32
100%. Voice your concern
Kara Swisher · 32:33
because Jared. What happens
Scott Galloway · 32:35
in these financial institutions. Whenever there's a billion or $2,000,000,000 stolen or lost, it's never the CEO goes down. It's some guy with a bad haircut in Amsterdam who they say, they always call him a rogue trader. So my prediction is someone's going to jail from Big Tech. It's likely from Facebook and it's not gonna be the billionaire as heat shield Sandberg. So I would say to all the young people working in these companies, if something sounds bad, make sure that you are articulating your concerns.
Kara Swisher · 33:06
Well, I don't agree with you. I think they're gonna get off.
Scott Galloway · 33:08
I don't think they're gonna going to jail.
Kara Swisher · 33:10
Here's what I think. I think big tech is not gonna pay for big finance. Big finance didn't have anything happen to it. Right? They just walked walked away with their resilience. I think tech people are gonna walk away with their resilience. And I think that there will be... Here's how... What it is is Ocasio or or the old... Or or Warren, these ideas of taxing them. That's where it's going. And I think a lot of people do agree with the idea that these people make far too much money and don't pay enough taxes on it. I think that's how it's gonna come out. And and they will start to, like, get behind a lot of these. If if they do it right... And I know that Trump is trying to push back with socialism social socialism, his gang, I do think that there is a a groundswell of these people pay... Do not pay their fair share. And if they get the hold of the Trump tax returns and then it shows that, I think it'll be... Think people will be like, wait a minute. Just a second here. That kind of stuff.
Scott Galloway · 34:01
Well, not only people, paying their fair share, but companies... Here's a fun fact. Do you know in Europe, Google has paid more in fines than they paid in taxes?
Kara Swisher · 34:10
That's amazing.
Scott Galloway · 34:11
Isn't that amazing?
Kara Swisher · 34:12
That's amazing. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 34:13
Yeah. Here's another fun fact. I'm going off my attention here. But median age in Europe is 42. Do you know what the median age in Africa is? Like 12. 18. Isn't that incredible? But anyways, off track. The companies need to pay their fair share. There's definitely, I think it could backfire on the Democrats, this what I'll call class, I do think it's class warfare saying that rich people are bad and we need to tax them. I think they just need to, you know, change it to a let's let's have them just pay their fair share because right now they're paying less.
— Predictions segment ends —
Kara Swisher · 34:41
Alright. So we're gonna do it in South by Southwest. It's time to get out of I will see you in Austin. You will meet my sons. We will have such a good time. We will go for barbecue. When do you... When do you get there?
Scott Galloway · 34:51
I get there... I think I'm there Friday afternoon or Friday evening, and I'm there till seven.
Kara Swisher · 34:55
Well, we have a lot to go on. I will show you on. I I know Austin really well. We'll get on scooters. We will have such a lovely time too.
Scott Galloway · 35:00
That sounds nice. I'm looking forward to it, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 35:02
Alright. We're getting... Again, we're coming to a live audience, and we will see you there. Rebecca Sinanis produces this show. Nishat Kerwa is the executive producer. Thanks also to Eric Johnson. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week with more of a breakdown of all things tech and business, and it'll be extra large because why, Scott? Where will we be? Austin. Texas. You say Texas.
Scott Galloway · 35:27
That's right. I'm sorry.
Kara Swisher · 35:28
All my exes live in Texas in case you're interested. No. They don't. If you like what you heard, please subscribe on Apple Podcasts or wherever you're listening.
