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Kara Swisher · 40:21
I get so many headaches every month.
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Kara Swisher · 41:26
Scott, we're back with more news. Trump says he's removing the red tape around AI. The president spoke about his AI action plan, signed three executive orders, a summit hosted by the All In podcast in Washington this week. I wonder why they didn't invite us. The orders aim to fast track, permitting for data centers, which... Okay. Promote American technology abroad. Okay. And ban ideologically based AI systems from federal contracting. That's just stupid, but a little little meat for his base. And one other thing Trump thinks is holding AI back, copyright law, incredibly. Let's... So he's kicked one industry in the in the nuts. So let's listen to a clip.
Speaker · 42:04
You can't be expected to have a successful AI program when every single article, book, or anything else that you've read or studied, you're supposed to pay for. Gee, I read a book. I'm supposed to pay somebody. And, you know, we we appreciate that, but you just can't do it because it's not doable.
Kara Swisher · 42:21
Okay. This is amazing. I thought that was amazing. I thought the the the the whole thing was kind of ridiculous, hand wavy stuff, and it was sort of basic basics of, like, yes, we could have less regulation. But it essentially was Silicon Valley getting back its money for spending on Trump. That's what it looked like. And then he also went off script a number. He talked about trans athletes. He talked about tariffs. He talked about everything, but it looked like Silicon Valley was getting its bit. David Sacks was sort of the leader of that. He's he's on the All In podcast. But it's... That to me, it was sort of a nothing burger. I think a lot of people didn't pay attention to it. It was very showy, But, essentially, his minions his minions in tech getting the payback for what they've gotten. I don't think there was anything here except for the copyright law, which was... Like, showed an astonishing lack of of of knowledge about the real problem here. So he's sort of giving the green light for tech to do what it did before. What are your thoughts?
Scott Galloway · 43:17
I see this as as nothing but a kind of a long term transfer of wealth from Los Angeles and New York to Silicon Valley. And that is if late night TV could go back in time, they would have partnered with every other high end TV show and said, we can't have YouTube crawl. We've all got to bind together and license it for more money because basically, with YouTube, I can go see the best two minutes of Colbert, and I don't have to endure twenty two minutes of advertising through the hour. So they're basically... And they let them do it. And the time to stop it would have been ten or fifteen years ago. And effectively, what they're saying here is they're going back in time and saying, okay. These are... They're opting for Facebook's right or Google's right to crawl IP, slice it, dice it, and to a certain extent, probably make more shareholder value than the traditional media companies have been able to do. The problem is is that journalism is weakening. The... An industry that employs more people is weakening. So it's it's disruption, but it's also, alright. What is the incentive to do good work and create original IP into investigative journalism if the asset light companies that don't have to hire people or hire gaffers or sound people can just come in and crawl our data? And they claim that you couldn't do this. Well, actually, the music industry has figured out a way to do it. Every radio station in America can crawl any song and then play it, but they pay a small fee, like, probably a 0.25 of a cent. And every year, they send a check to a royalty or an artist group that then says, Okay, Madonna, here's your check for $685,000 from the radio stations in the Southeast. So they could have figured out, in my opinion, Now this is payback for Silicon Valley who said, we wanna continue to to crawl and molest other people's data that they've spent money on, that they've risked their lives sometimes going into hotspots to cover reporting. Or... I mean, it's just a transfer of wealth to Silicon Valley by saying, okay, AI needs to run, you know, needs to run flat out with no friction, not have to pay anybody else, crawl books, crawl music, and it it... We get to do it. And the argument you would make is that part of America's leadership from market capitalization standpoint, innovation standpoint, is that we on the side of a lack of regulation. So that is a real argument. And also, could argue, okay, so we're stealing a dollar from the garage of Warner Brothers, but we can take that dollar we're stealing and turn it into 7, whereas they can... They turn it into 50¢. So there is sort of an economic argument or an innovator's argument that this is good for AI. Let our let our thoroughbreds run. But we've been to this movie before, folks. Just keep in mind, don't let your kids go into original IP or art or the creative because now AI can just crawl it and doesn't have to pay it back.
Kara Swisher · 46:05
Yeah. Well, the problem is I don't think he's necessarily gonna... He's just saying this whether it's... You know, everything he says, like, I'm gonna dig the commanders out. He's not. He's not. And the... For example, on Monday, Josh Hawley and... From Missouri and senator Blumenthal, Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut, Democrat rep... Republican Democrat, unveiled legislation that would require AI companies to to to get consent of individuals for using their content and data and developing assets. This is not going... Copyright law is quite robust in that regard. And so just because Trump says it's not so... First of all, he's as dumb as a box of hammers. But but they also did... By the way, they didn't mention deep fakes in this thing, which is supposed to be their big thing. They didn't mention, like, so many things were out of this thing. It was just a show. It was such a such a nothingburger of of an everything. And one of the things that that... You know, especially around... And I have to say governor Newsom, who is... Has on point social media these days, wrote president Trump's executive order on AI threatens to defund states like California with strong laws against AI generated child porn. Some might say that's an interesting priority, particularly in light of his close ties with Jeffrey Epstein. I thought that was quite good as picture of him with Jeffrey Epstein. So I don't know if this is gonna be such an easy thing. I know that the tech companies would like to get out of this, but I don't think they are. I don't think, in this case, copyright is quite strong. I think there's a lot of supporters of that even if not just, you know, media. I think it's movies. There's lots and lots and lots of people that still have some juice, and we'll see if they can do that. They also are showing some signs of weakness. SoftBank and OpenAI's $500,000,000,000 Stargate project intended to boost USAI is facing setbacks over disagreements about key terms of the deal, including where to build data centers. The company's pledged to immediately invest a $100,000,000,000 in the project in January, but the only plan right now is to build a small data center by the end of the year. It's pretty pathetic, actually. Would probably cost tens of millions of dollars, maybe 50. Like, just because Trump says it, like a lot of things, doesn't mean it's happening. And this AI thing was incredibly weak sauce, I thought. I was sort of like, well, I wasn't invited, but I'm kinda glad I wasn't. And it just looked like a payoff to me. The one that I thought was more disturbing was Columbia University agreeing to pay $200,000,000 fine to resolve the Trump administration's investigation into alleged violations of federal anti discrimination laws and all kinds of stuff around DEI. It essentially gave Trump an ability to to... The government an ability to meddle in in emissions. And so I just love your thought on that because I, you know, I I know you you you know, you you would talk about the over use of DEI programs, etcetera. This seems like like a first... The first... The the founding fathers did not, like... Were not worried about woke. They were worried about this. This is what they actually... I mean, they're... They... It's annoying, but it's different than what is happening here, which is a clear violation of the government meddling in private enterprise. But go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 49:03
Well, we've never had a president that's more socialist. He demands a golden share to control a steel company. He's doing one off deals with companies, and now he's decided, if you wanna appoint supreme court justices that overturned a race based affirmative action, which has happened, I get it. You may agree or not agree with that decision, but it's meant to be a thoughtful, slow grinding process that affects every university. But when you show up and start threatening using the full weight of the DOJ and government to go after individual universities and then just make these vague statements that you wanna have input into less politically correct admissions, that's just not how you run a government. It's not how... It's socialism, and then it's kind of thought control at the places that are supposed to have the most freedom of thought. That is why they are so successful is that we provide this ridiculous thing called tenure, which is very expensive. And occasionally, someone says something so stupid they'd be fired anywhere else, and we can't fire them because the whole idea is we built universities outside of the city center so people could say crazy shit like, well, maybe the world isn't flat and not risk being burnt at the stake. And so when government starts coming in and telling the admissions department... I... Look. I do think that if you are going to provide millions of dollars in assistance and federally backed student loans, you do have some input. But that input should be systemic across all universities. I do believe that if you are not growing your freshman class faster than population growth and you have an endowment over a billion dollars, you should lose your tax free status because you're no longer a public servant. You're a hedge fund offering courses. And and and then I like the carrot idea. Offer... Instead of student debt relief, offer capital investment if they, one, keep their tuition flat for ten years, and two, increase their enrollments by 3%. What do you end up with? College in the eighties where the admissions rates are double what they are now, and on an inflation adjusted basis, tuition comes down by a third, and then force them to have non four year degrees in things like nursing and specialty construction. So I am very much up for the federal government providing both sticks and carrots to reformat higher education such that it returns to its original mission of increasing the likelihood that middle class unremarkable kids have a shot. I'm I'm all about reform, and quite frankly, I'm all about showing up and saying, oh, we're not asking. But the way you do that is by passing laws, and then everyone is subject to these laws, not going after Columbia because they pissed you off.
Kara Swisher · 51:28
Let me tell you. With the Epstein things, they're not interested in the victims. They're not. That... That's not
Scott Galloway · 51:32
why they're there.
Kara Swisher · 51:33
That's not why they're there. And you know why? Trump is not at these universities to make them better. If they made a mistake around not protecting Jewish students, fine them for that. Like... And tell them they have to fix something. That's a very easy fix. Right? And this... But this is something very different. The government should not be telling universities who to... Who who... What to what to say. Just period. Very, period, period. And, again, this... I think you're exactly right. It should be based on on finances versus race, maybe, and that will fix the problem anyway, probably. But it should certainly, this is such an overreach. It's crazy. And the Columbia... I went to Columbia, by the way, for graduate school, and I... They will never see another... I I don't give them money anyway, so they'll never ever money from me. It's... They're they're an embarrassment to their to their long and storied history, but it's an embarrassment for Columbia. And I hope Harvard and others, as much pressure as they're under, don't don't fall prey to this kind of nonsense because it's not... It doesn't make these universities better to let more white people in. It just doesn't. It just... It's not... It's not... It doesn't solve the problem that we have here, but they don't care. They don't care about the victims in Epstein. They don't care about they don't care about AI and having a really robust AI system. They just wanna get what's what's good for them.
Scott Galloway · 52:47
Their instincts in some ways are correct. It's, again, the execution is wrong. Sixty years ago
Kara Swisher · 52:53
the government's business.
Scott Galloway · 52:55
Sixty years ago, 12 black people at Harvard, Princeton, and Yale combined. That was a problem, race based affirmative action. Now 60% of Harvard's freshman class identifies as nonwhite, but the problem is 70% of those nonwhites come from upper income households. Most most Republicans and all Democrats Democrats agree that there are some people who face such incredible headwinds through no fault of their own that if the government gives them a hand up, okay, we're down with that. The question isn't all the argument is over is who qualifies for the hand up. And Tyler Perry and Trevor Noah's kids should not get a hand up. There has been, quite frankly, and this triggers people, too much advantage shoved into the kids of nonwhite parents. Those are the ones getting the most advantage right now, and a lot of good kids have been pushed out by foreign students and by, quite frankly, wealthy wealthy nonwhites. And they've said, okay. Fine. We need to we need to reconfigure affirmative action as the University of California did, and they made it an adversity index. But this says to the white community who's poor and from single parents, you got the same shot. We're gonna lift you up. And at the same time says, okay. Okay. You know, Tyler Perry's kids, sorry. You have the same advantages as a rich white
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Kara Swisher · 54:06
Scott, they never address the white kid rich kids. Right? They never, like, go, oh, wait a minute. Like, it's always like, okay.
Scott Galloway · 54:13
Talking about doing away with legacies. They're
Kara Swisher · 54:15
Yes. That's what I mean. Do away with legacies. Legacies. But, again, this is not the government's job. I'm sorry. It's just they should not tell a university how to... What to say, how to operate. If they... The one thing is if they didn't protect students, Jewish students, whoever the students that were were attacked on campus, that's something the government might wanna get involved in. But, otherwise, help poor kids get into colleges and may... And help figure out a way to get colleges to open up more. As you said, instead of being a private hedge fund that happens to give classes, figure out a way to get more people educated at... Especially at the lower levels of the economic rung. That is a brilliant idea.
Scott Galloway · 54:55
And and there are models out there. You know? UW Madison, University of North Carolina, which prioritizes in state applicants. These...
Kara Swisher · 55:02
Some of California.
Scott Galloway · 55:04
The University of California, they are doing their level best to let in as many kids as possible such that they can go deeper and deeper into the barrel. Because here's the bottom line. No individual institution can be the arbiter of predicting greatness when a kid is 17 or 18. You just don't know. The key is... And by the way, the kid's getting in right now. If you come from a 1% income earning household, you're 77 times more likely to gain admissions to an elite university. And here's the the truth of it. The top 1%, they need college the least. They already show up well educated. They already have contacts. They've already gone to camps. They've already gotten really good socialization. Dad is already super well connected. It's the bottom 90 that need college the most. And, anyway, I... The one place we do disagree here is I do believe if you're going to back... You're gonna federally back student loans. You're gonna offer Pell Grants. You're gonna offer tax free status.
Kara Swisher · 55:55
They've cut
Scott Galloway · 55:56
the Pell
Kara Swisher · 55:56
Grants, Scott. They don't care. I'm just saying.
Scott Galloway · 55:59
No. Agree. What I'm saying, though, is that the federal government should have should have, and nothing's for free, input into the policies. But it should be... And the word we always use is systemic. It should apply to everybody, not one offs based on where Barron did or did not get into college.
Kara Swisher · 56:14
Right. No. I agree with you. I I... That's not the argument I'm making is the government is... Should not tell colleges what to teach. Colleges can decide, and then the market will decide of what they do. It's just they need to keep their dirty little hands out of it.
Scott Galloway · 56:29
This is like It gets complicated, FastCare, because universities have taken in $14,000,000,000 from international... From from other governments. Know. Four of the 14,000,000,000 has come from a nation with 300,000 people, Qatar. And what do you know? We have all of these Middle East Studies Departments who, quite frankly, aren't teaching that Israel has a right to exist. So it does get pretty gray pretty fast. I think this... It's a complicated issue, but universities have become
Kara Swisher · 56:55
should not be deciding this. I'm sorry. It's it's First Amendment. They can... Look. I I I... I'm not loving guitar doing... I didn't take money.
Scott Galloway · 57:03
Well, they shouldn't be allowed to they shouldn't be allowed to give money is what the... How I
Kara Swisher · 57:06
would That's a great solution. Great. That's great. That's a good idea. But here's the deal. Our government should be funding these educational institutions more, and they don't. Instead, they give out handouts to the to the very wealthy AI people and, you know, just take from it. Anyway, it's a long getting thing. I just feel like Columbia, you should be embarrassed by yourselves, by what you've done here. You've created a really bad precedent, and I hope the others don't follow. Alright. We have to take a quick break, and we'll be back for predictions.
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Kara Swisher · 58:38
I get so many headaches every month.
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Kara Swisher · 59:43
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction. I just wanna... There's one that I could throw out at you. President Trump met with Jeff Bezos at the White House last week in a meeting that lasted over an hour. What do you predict they were talking about?
Scott Galloway · 59:54
I I predict Trump wants in on the bachelor party. I don't
Kara Swisher · 59:59
Didn't that already happen?
Scott Galloway · 1:00:00
Did it? I didn't hear about that. I would have been so good
Kara Swisher · 1:00:03
at that. Marriage bachelor party? Lauren's not putting up with that.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:06
Oh, yeah. It's called a midlife crisis. It's called a second marriage and daddy getting together with his friends every six weeks. Anyways, my prediction... I already made my prediction. The fix is in. Someone has communicated to Jalene Maxwell that if she were to provide state's evidence or testimony that in any way reflects well on the president, that the president has a habit of pardoning people towards the end of his administration. And there's nothing like jail to convince you to lie and do whatever you need to do to get out of jail. I think the fix is in that what we're going to have is something resembling it'll be a kangaroo court where they took testimony and pretended to take it seriously, pretend they're pursuing the truth. And all evidence from Ghislaine Maxwell will show that the president, while was a friend and showed errors in judgment, was not involved in any illicit or illegal activity. And then on the eve before Trump, you know, takes off and J. D. Vance is elected president or or in my opinion, if I were to bet on anyone right now, and I might do this on Polymarket, is someone you mentioned earlier. People vastly underestimate governor Newsom. He is the only one pushing back right now. I believe if I had to bet on anyone, he would be the president. But anyways, whoever, thirty days before the the president... The next president is inaugurated, she will be pardoned.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:19
Uh-huh. Okay. Well, we'll see. Just so you know, two things. Jillian Maxwell is a is a liar. She faced two perjury charges stemming from these accusations she lied under oaths around Epstein. They dropped those things because they they had... She also had sex traffic king conviction she received in December 2021. So let me just say, she's a sex trafficker. So think about that, people, that he's gonna let off a sex... A convicted sex trafficker, who is probably just as equally culpable in what happened.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:49
We need a special counsel with Matt Gaetz. I mean, are we in a simulation here? Know. Are we in a simulation?
Kara Swisher · 1:01:54
Like, Jillian Maxwell is a terrible person and should die in prison. And and, again, the focus is off the people it should be on, which is these young women who are terrified now because the president is trying to cover this up. And that's what the president's doing. He's trying to cover up a sex trafficking scandal that that he... Where his name is involved. And so the... Everybody, all this stuff, whether you're gonna get Trump or not get Trump, just remember all these possibly a hun... Hundreds of women, they think, were sexually abused here, and that that is lost in this entire thing.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:27
Even even worse, hundreds of girls. Girls.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:29
Exactly.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:30
People have correctly corrected me and said these are not underage women. They are girls.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:34
They're girls. And that is what we should be focusing on, and we never have. And these these... They're women now. They're older. They... They're not here. They they have been traumatized, and and Trump is further traumatizing them with this fucking circus. And that's what we need to focus in on. That's my... And we won't. My prediction is we won't because we don't value the lives of young women as we... Much as we do as rich, old, you know, syphilitic. These are syphilitic men. Anyway, your prediction? That she's gonna be... That that this is gonna happen.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:06
The fix is in. She's gonna be pardoned thirty to sixty days before the end of his term.
Guest · 1:03:10
Well, everybody, she's a liar
Kara Swisher · 1:03:11
and a sex trafficker, so take it back for the for the thing. Anyway. Okay. Alright. But it won't come till the end, you're saying? Won't come to the end of the
Scott Galloway · 1:03:19
Well, I think that he'll create some distance to try and lower the volume and the outrage. The fix was in, and this woman basically came out and lied and took the heat down. Yeah. What the fuck do you care? Pardon her. That... The fix is in. The fix is in.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:35
All I'll just say is remember the girls of all of it. Release the empty tiles is fine, but remember the girls.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:41
A real attorney general has a group of people who are doing nothing but trying to convince people to narc and impugn more powerful people. They work their way up the chain. This is the first department of justice that an attorney general who is trying to figure out a way to get people to flip and exonerate people more senior than them. This is this is exactly what they are not supposed to do. They're supposed to be... Truth to power, the law affects everyone means that, quite frankly, you work your way up the food chain. Oh, you're a small time dealer. This is how we're going to give you one year in prison and not ten. You're going to help us find the kingpin here and put him in prison. They realize that the key to law enforcement is that the more senior, more powerful, more mendacious you get in criminal activity, the bigger... The more important it is that that person get put away. You you want to punish... You want a progressive... Just as we're supposed to have a progressive tax structure, which is part of our culture, we're supposed to have a progressive criminal criminal prosecution structure that says the more senior and powerful, the more damage you're doing, the more we try to find the truth on you. And this this is entirely the opposite. That's... Let's give her a pardon if she lowers the heat on the most powerful person in the world. I I I think this one is so obvious. It's like
Kara Swisher · 1:04:58
I know that. But the... I... Again, I wanna stress To Pam Bondi, these are hundreds of young... Of girls, and you are God care. You really shameful person to do this. And this is the woman who sexually abused them. Absolutely. 100% has been convicted of that. You're a... You know, there... I'm gonna do a lesbian thing and quote Gladiator because it's my favorite movie. The time for honoring yourself is at an end. I'm just disgusting.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:24
For honoring yourself is at an end.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:26
You know, remember when he's... The guy's he's getting all the attention, and the emperor's all pissed, and he... Then the emperor tries to, you know, tell him about his his wife and child being killed in a terrible way, including Rafe in this thing, and he turns around. Instead of hitting him, he goes, the time for honoring yourself. It's... It will soon be at an end. Such a great line. That's what I feel about these people.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:50
Yeah. I don't I don't. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say attorney general Bondi's ethics and morals around the president are sometimes a little bit patchy.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:59
Patchy. Patchy.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:00
You're a term honoring yourself.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:03
He's a heinous term against is what she is. He... And I'll blame the men just as much, but when a woman does this even worse. These are girls, Pam. Girls. Okay? Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 Elsewhere in the Cara and Scott universe, this week on profite conversations that we talked about earlier this week, Scott spoke with governor Gretchen Whitmer, the forty ninth governor of Michigan. Let's listen to a clip of big Gretch with Scott.
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Guest · 1:06:36
I'm gonna say something that's gonna be really depressing, and that is we're five months in to a forty eight month term. As a governor, I have a role. You know, I have an important role. How do we band together and show Americans what democratic leaders do? It's by delivering in our states. It's by fighting the federal government when they're impacting our states. But we are not the counterpoint to the executive branch in the federal government. That's congress. That's their whole job is to be that counterpoint.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:08
So you like that interview, Scott?
Scott Galloway · 1:07:10
Yeah. Every time I every time I get to know some of these individuals on both sides of the aisle, I'm really impressed and heartened. And I think I said this in the last show, governor, I do this no mercy no... Every presidential candidate is calling one or both of us. And we will interview between now and then, I think, any viable candidate, at least on the Democratic side. And I do this no mercy no malice review of the interview. And to the upside, she reeks of integrity and character. There's just... She's just one of those people that within a minute you think, this is a competent, decent woman. And and also Michigan has a lot to be proud of. It's not it's not an easy environment to have a manufacturing based economy. She's managed to maintain economic growth even if it's not stellar. The quality of life of Michigan, meaning affordability relative to salaries, is some of the best in the nation. She has a lot to run on. My downside was she's infected with the same rhetorical flourish and avoidance of hard policies. The the Democrat that's gonna race to the head of the polls is gonna be someone who comes out with crazy bold solutions and says, we're gonna lower Medicare eligibility by two years every year and socialize medicine. We are going to have an alternative minimum tax of 40%. We're gonna do away with the exemption on real estate, on on trusts. There is such an opportunity now for someone to come out with big fucking
Kara Swisher · 1:08:31
Bold fucking
Scott Galloway · 1:08:32
We're moving Social Security back to 72 when we're means testing it. Sorry, folks. It's time to be the grown up in the room. What what an alternative minimum tax on corporations who are paying their lowest taxes since 1939 of
Kara Swisher · 1:08:42
40%. For president.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:44
But there's such a huge opportunity, and she wants to talk about, you know, in very big, bold, flowery speech, Americans. And and I'm like, okay, folks. Obama, you're not gonna out Obama Obama. We need someone who has real policies. And also, and this is not the way the world should be. It's the way the world is. Democrats are going to elect and nominate a straight white male over six feet. We are highly luxist. They are not gonna, for the third time, nominate a woman no fucking way. They're not gonna nominate a gay man because they're worried about blacks in South Carolina. They're not gonna they're not going to nominate anyone under five eleven because they're... They realize America is so goddamn looksist and sexist still. So I don't... I think
Kara Swisher · 1:09:32
No Scott Galloway for president. I'm just saying... Just pointing it out.
Speaker · 1:09:36
You fit
Scott Galloway · 1:09:36
all that criteria. The problem is I wouldn't enjoy it, and I wouldn't be very good at it. You're in my job, Kara, is to to bring attention and oxygen to fantastic Democrats and help them get elected. Anyway, the... She is... She, I think, is on everyone's shortlist for VP because she is... She's... She would be... She's just a great foot soldier, and she also... She has... She's hugely popular in a swing state.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:01
She is. She's very... She's still very popular despite everything. Let me just say, I think you're right about all those things, unfortunately. But the... But whatever you think... And there's lots of attacks on him recently. I think the reason he broke through was big ideas, whether you think they're right or not. They were big, interesting ideas.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:19
He's saying something.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:21
But they were kind of interesting. They were... Some of them were good. Some of
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Kara Swisher · 1:10:24
And he's put social media, Andy's handsome, and he's well spoken. Like, to me, like
Scott Galloway · 1:10:30
I agree.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:30
Get away from whether you'll... Same thing with Abby Spamburger, by the way. Great speaker, great looking, great great communicator, saying things of real meaning. Like, what are you gonna do for the people of Virginia, or what are you gonna do for the people of blank? And what are you gonna do for the people of The United States? You're a 100% right. Scott, you should run for for office. I can be your vice president. I'll be fine, dude. I'd really run the show, so as we do here.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:54
We will build a giant baring wall.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:57
We will build... I like that. We'll build a baring wall for America.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:02
Oh my god. You could not be more lesbian. Oh my baring wall.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:05
I'm not sure if you to my metaphor in San Francisco.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:08
Go to metaphor.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:09
I'm gonna build one right here in San Francisco, and then I'm gonna have a kombucha. I hate kombucha.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:13
Do you wanna hear the most offensive thing I said at the Aspen Ideas? What? I know that.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:16
I'm sure I'll get a text.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:18
There was some... I was joking about masturbation, and I said, I've found the ultimate birth control, and then I get lotion. I have this lotion that I put on myself, and if I put it on for more than two minutes, I don't need to have sex. Oh. And there was this awkward silence, and then a bunch of women in aloe who like me laughed and go... And then looked around to say, can I laugh? And would be like, I'm laughing. You just can't tell. I've had so much poison injected into my face.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:40
Oh my god. Scott. Oh my god.
Scott Galloway · 1:11:43
There you go.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:43
You know what you need to do? This is the thing
Scott Galloway · 1:11:45
you need to do.
Kara Swisher · 1:11:45
Let me just give another recommendation. Go watch hunting wives. It's a lesbian Hunting wives? Hunting wives with Malin Ackerman and and others. Malin Ackerman, Britney Snow. It's based in a book set in Texas. It's about a bunch of sort of rich East Texas ladies, and you think it's gonna be all about shopping and drinking, but it turns out to be a lesbian drama and, like, and a murder mystery. And it is so good because Malin Ackerman and Britney Stowe are really hot, and they have sex all day. But everyone's... All the women are making out in it.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:15
I'll see it twice.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:16
I... Exactly. You need to watch. You it twice. You're to thank me next week. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week. Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:28
There you go. Today's show was produced by Lara Nimenzuela, Marcus Taylor Griffin, and Kevin Oliver. Ernie Indertod engineered this episode. Thanks also to Jubaro's, Musevero, and Dan Shalon. Nishat Kuraw is Vox Media's executive producer of podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Daring well.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:55
Lara, do not take that stuff out. Do hear me?
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