Kara Swisher · 49:26
And I know he needs to make money, and he wants to get in on the gimmies, and he wants to be at those dinners. But, Mark, this is... I couldn't... It... It's it's not really shocking, but it's also gross is what it is. I don't know what else to say. You may have a different opinion, but I don't think you... This person who's been one of San Francisco's biggest boarder, this should be the thing he said. And the last thing from what I understand is he did a more problematic interview with another group, and he also tagged Mike Moritz, the San Francisco Standard, which I think is doing a great job in San Francisco reporting. And and Mike Moritz is another venture capitalist who owns, who has created that publication, which is an, as I said, an excellent publication. But, you know, I think that he had a difficult interview with them, and then he turned to the New York Times. And even as apparently his PR person was, like, jaw dropping that he did this. I I like Mark. I I I was I was... I wasn't surprised by it, but it's really incredibly unhelpful. And for you to act like a victim and then demand fealty because you give money away, I'd rather you not give the money away and keep your mouth shut. I don't know what else to say. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 50:38
I think you have more... I mean, you know Mark better than me, and you know San Francisco better than me. But the way I see it is, simply put, I think Mark's a good guy. He's very civic minded. I think he gives money away because he's generally a philanthropic person and recognizes his blessings. And he said something really fucking stupid. I mean... And if I were advising him, and I'm not... And, actually, I am... And you know what? I may text him. Just say, I said something stupid. I apologize. And maybe add a little context because, yeah, I don't think it's... I I think it's it's a shame because I do think Mark has made a real effort to acknowledge his blessings and be really civic minded. I've heard a lot of people say that when they can't find resources anywhere, they call Mark, and Mark is an automatic yes. And he goes out of his way. I just... I I I just think he's a good man. He said something stupid here that is not accurate. And when you get that rich, you can get into a bubble and maybe had a bad experience in San Francisco. There are a lot of areas. My understanding is in San Francisco that feel like a war zone.
Kara Swisher · 51:44
Well, the tenderloin has been bad for decades, but go ahead. Go
Scott Galloway · 51:47
ahead. You know this. You you... You're gonna forget more about the city than I'm I'm ever gonna go. In 1999, I I left the board of my company, got divorced, and said to my wife, ex wife, you can have our friends. I never wanna come back here again. Probably more information than people wanted. And I can't stand... San Francisco is my least favorite city. I just... I've just never... I've never really enjoyed it. Anyway... But but he probably had a bad experience. He's probably trying to pose a little bit for the Trump lights and get in on some of that AI, you know, whatever it might be. But the first thing I thought when I saw it was I thought it was sad because I do think Mark has spent a lot of time trying to be the good billionaire. And I think a lot of it is genuine. I don't think it's I don't think it's doing it to try and to try and get business or deflect or be righteous or tell nonprofits how to behave. I genuinely believe he is one of the good guys. And I hated to see this because the reality is when you get... It's very easy to enter in your own bubble and and say stupid things, and he could fix this. Very simple. This was stupid. I apologize.
Kara Swisher · 52:57
It's interesting that he won't because he... He's... He has changed a little bit, I have to say. I think one of the things... I did a really famous interview where he said he compared Facebook to cigarette companies. Right? And he was, you know, and he was one of the few when when they had that Trump Tower thing. He's... He was like, can you believe this shit? When when all the tech billionaires went. And now I think he's seen... You know, they're all sort of pigs at the trough, and he's decided to oink. I just don't know what else it is. Like... And that's... So... And maybe he's had a change of heart, and he's become more conservative. I don't know. But you can't do Ohana and then say, let's bring in the troops when San Francisco's trying really hard to fix itself and is on the upswing. It's such
Scott Galloway · 53:39
a getting better. Right?
Kara Swisher · 53:40
You said
Scott Galloway · 53:41
it's it's So ill timed. Noticeably better.
Kara Swisher · 53:43
And if Gary Tan is... This is the biggest complainer about San Francisco. There's a whole sort of group, and I wouldn't say right because it's San Francisco, but they are pretty conservative, you know, is applauding the efforts. And by the way, everyone's moving back, Mark. Just so you know, Elon's back in California. You know, the whole gang of them that complained is all locating in in San Francisco or California. I just... It... It's like... I thought he went out on a real limb when he could compare, and he was the earliest person and almost like a class trader, right, saying Facebook was like cigarette companies. He was right.
Scott Galloway · 54:19
That's right.
Kara Swisher · 54:20
And he took the shit for that.
Scott Galloway · 54:21
He was early.
Kara Swisher · 54:22
And it wasn't... He wasn't virtue signaling because it wasn't a good thing to say. It didn't work out well for him to do that. But this was... I just think he wanted attention. The other thing that drove me crazy from that interview, and I was was shocked by it. He owns Time Magazine for people who don't know. And by the way, that photo of Trump looks like he has a vagina on his neck, but that's neither here nor there, He said he said, I haven't really been reading the news lately about the ice stuff. And, like, he he owns a major... I don't think it's as big as it used to be, but he owns a major news publication pretending like, well, I don't really know about the other things. That stuff, give me a fucking break. You're a brilliant guy. Stop it. Like, you know what... That you've decided it's okay or you're gonna ignore it. But to say, really wasn't paying attention. Is there other things happening here? Like, the IRS or the ICE stuff or anything else. And I don't... It's sort of like I
Scott Galloway · 55:16
think he's done a great job with time.
Kara Swisher · 55:18
Yeah. It's better. It's better. Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 55:21
Or let me... It survived. It wouldn't have survived. It's economically unviable unless you have a... I mean, like most unfortunate media companies, unless it's owned by a benign billionaire, it goes away, or it becomes all about cost cutting or sensationalism to try and get clicks.
Kara Swisher · 55:34
I don't mind go away. I have to tell you on some things.
Scott Galloway · 55:37
Think go. Yeah. Let him die.
Kara Swisher · 55:39
I think he's done a perfectly good job. But I have to say, at various points, he said, you should come work for me. Honestly, Mark, I'm glad I didn't at this point. This isn't... Please say what Scott said. Say you're sorry, and, you know, stop acting like a victim. And I know you want that sweet AI money, but, honestly, Ohana man. Ohana. You know, he says that all the time. Well, this Ohana ness. Well, this isn't Ohana, just so you know. Alright, Scott. Let's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about news outlets pushing back on the defense department's idiotic new regulations.
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Kara Swisher · 58:11
Scott, we're back with more news. News organizations, including Fox News, have declined to sign the defense department's new press policy denouncing the regulations in a joint statement. The policy prohibits journalists from gaining information the defense department doesn't make available for them. It also revokes Pentagon press credentials for those who don't agree. By sign... By the signing deadline, only OAN, one American News, had agreed to the policy. They're kind of... Or you're not the Trump administration, so that makes sense. You know, I mean, Pete Hegseth was trying to say, well, it's like the way the White House is, But I I don't think this is the worst thing for these reporters. They walked out. They can get... They can find these other people. They don't have to wander around. It's it's a... It's easier if you're wandering around the Pentagon, I guess. But I think these outlets did the right thing by just saying, no. We're not signing this thing. And I think this is really... Pete Hegseth is usually as mangled and bungled this entire thing. What are your thoughts?
Scott Galloway · 59:06
I thought it was a nice moment for the press. They all came together, and they said, we're not gonna put up with this. And I think that secretary Hegseth does not have the confidence or management skills or ability to read the room or the judgment to oversee the most lethal, successful organization in history. And this is just another example of this. This didn't need to happen. He... He's he's created more drama. He's handled this poorly. In an effort to control the press, he's created a bunch of bad press for the Pentagon and the administration. This is, you know, this is... It's blown up in his face. His inability to... His belief that he could muscle around journalists backfired. And, again, the whole point of this was to create a sanitized stream of information out of the Pentagon that would only be complementary or frame it in a certain way. And if it wasn't if it wasn't for journalists, I mean, we'd probably still be in Vietnam. I mean, it's just the the the... Typically, the secretary of defense comes from a civilian background because they've decided that generals have a habit, and not all generals, but generals have a habit of looking for military solutions. And what you need is a secretary of defense that understands the private sector and also is, quite frankly, just more rooted in a civilian mindset or a geopolitical mindset. And instead, we hired a major who was a TV host to head the secretary to become the new secretary of war, and this individual just doesn't have good judgment. So in an attempt to sanitize, politicize, and create a stream of preapproved press, they've made it worse. They've created a stream of really negative press saying this is yet another example of an authoritarian government trying to control the narrative here. And it... Kudos to everyone. NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, and Fox all issued a joint statement declining to agree to the new policy.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:09
Weird. Why this? I mean, he's also lie testing all the employees too. He's such a parent. Like, guy, get get off your whatever substances you're using because it's making you freaky.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:18
I mean, fortunately, this this authoritarian move was handled so... Like Trump issuing a crypto coin that increases his net worth by $5,000,000,000 the Friday night before inauguration was kinda genius. They... The timing here was so elegant. You know, I've always said this. It's like it's like we're... This is a mafia family, but unfortunately unfortunately, you have Michael running the corruption, and you have Fredo running the government. Hagsteth is Fredo. The person running his crypto scams, the person running his tour around The Middle East to get to get buildings and golf courses and seven forty seven
Kara Swisher · 1:01:59
Who is Sonny? Is Sonny?
Scott Galloway · 1:02:01
Oh, that's a really interesting statement.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:03
Just sort of
Scott Galloway · 1:02:04
No one's been shot yet. That one guy from the from the the texting thing was shot, but he wasn't really Sunny. I love James Cahn. Yeah. Who's Sunny? I love Brian Piccolo.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:15
Who is Sunny? Let's think. Who's, like, the big who is Sunny?
Scott Galloway · 1:02:20
Who got shot?
Kara Swisher · 1:02:21
He's Sunny, but he's not. Remember, I'm gonna beat everyone. Can I just say? Just... He seems like... And I'm gonna bring back a word from our youth, but he's such a dork. Like, he's such a dork. The other thing is, let me just say a word very quickly, and then we do one about access journalism. I was asked by... I was on Katie Drummond's podcast from Wired. I think she's doing an astonishing job at Wired, really reinvigorating that brand. And she asked about access, and do I regret? And I have to say, I really think that I... You get better stories not having access actually if you if you do really good reporting. And, you know, being at the Wall Street Journal and a little bit at the Times and the Washington Post, they always bring it to you first. Right? And then you sort of agree to release it as if you got a scoop, but it isn't because they hand they hand delivered it to you. I have to say, I got a lot better after I just said fuck access. Like, I don't care if they talk to me or not. And I I would say I did too much of that trading, and every reporter does too much of that access stuff. Like, I'll give you this if you give me this. And I'm so happy that they don't wanna talk to me now because I can do whatever I want. And I still find out more stuff because one of the things that Hagsteth doesn't understand is reporting has moved on, and there are so many sources. And in the old days, you'd have to either meet someone or get a phone call, which is real traceable. Right? And so it was really... Now there's so many ways to get to sources and so many ways for them to get to you and to publish on their own. It's a whole different game. So as usual, Hagthe, who is living in the eighties with the way he dresses and does the, you know, party on Garth, is is really, way behind in understanding how... Now they will double down on finding shit about him about... And and reporting because it's all there. It's not... They're not gonna make it up. But he's... Even people who work for him are like... This one spokesperson who had a falling out with him is like, what a fucking idiot. He doesn't understand the modern media age. That's my that's my access thing.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:21
I I empathize with journalists who are trying to... I mean, it it... You guys have to walk a a fine line, and that is you wanna get good interviews, and people aren't gonna come on your show if they think they're just gonna be ambushed. So I I understand the temptation for access journalism. You're at a point where, quite frankly, you no longer need to engage in access journalism. So you have the luxury of... I think people listen to you when you speak. You have a big platform. People call little bit scared of you. People see you as tough but fair. But I can understand playing into the notion of accent.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:54
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:54
I do. A little... I mean, I get it. You're an up and coming journalist. You don't wanna be... You don't want everyone to go, no. I'm not going on her show. She's she's not, you know, not not nice or trying to make me look
Kara Swisher · 1:05:05
TV ones, by the way. They have a harder time because they need the physical person. Right? So it's hard. It's hard. Access journalism is incredibly hard, and it probably should go away. Anyway, one more quick break, Scott, and we'll be back for predictions.
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— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 1:07:29
Okay, Scott. We're here from predictions, but I... Can I just make a brief one? Kim Kardashian just launched an interesting new product for skims, a thong adorned with fake pubic hair. It's already selling out. I predict Scott Galloway probably bought 10 or 12 of them, just this long.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:45
What? What is it? Yeah. Fake pubic
Kara Swisher · 1:07:47
hair? Skim's business is huge. FYI, Kim Kardashian is a great entrepreneur. She works with great entrepreneurs. Skim's is this under... Because it's underwear, I guess, and a bunch of other stuff. But the thong is adorned with fake pubic hair. I I just... I I wish I could get one for you. That's all I have to say. Yeah. I predict you will love it when I get it for you
Scott Galloway · 1:08:09
for Christmas. To that.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:10
Yeah. I thought it was an opening for you there, Scott. A pubic hair thong. Okay. Yeah. I'm just I'm just throw... I'm laying it up for you, and you're not you're not taking
Scott Galloway · 1:08:19
us away. No. I'm not I'm not grabbing that one. Alright.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:22
Your prediction, please.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:23
So my prediction is that you're about to see the greatest... So reality TV was huge, kind of probably the biggest trend in TV through the through the odds. I don't know what was bigger than that. Original scripted comedies. I don't know. The biggest trend in television over the next... Streaming media and broadcast television over the next two years is going to be podcast repurposed as TV shows.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:52
Oh, I know where you're going.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:54
And if you look at recently, Netflix's deal with Spotify and podcasts, they basically said, okay. I mean, how did Netflix win the war?
Kara Swisher · 1:09:04
Will you explain the deal for people who don't know? So.
Scott Galloway · 1:09:06
Yeah. Spotify and Netflix are partnering to bring podcasts to Netflix. The partnership will bring video versions of 16 different Spotify exclusive podcasts to Netflix. And this is essentially a shift following Spotify's large investment in the podcast space. They spent billions for purchasing studios like Podcast, The Ringer, and Gimlet Media and signing exclusive deals with people ranging from Joe Rogan to Alex Cooper. And many of these didn't pan out to be profitable. And Spotify learned that the real value of podcasts isn't just in audio, it's in video. And they're not strong in video, and YouTube is. What this really... I mean, so YouTube revealed that over a billion people every month watch and listen to podcasts on YouTube. I think about 18% of our listens and 25% of Prop G listens are on a TV, and it's people streaming it off of YouTube. YouTube is the biggest distribution platform for podcasts. Netflix has correctly identified that their competition is not Disney plus or Hulu. They've beaten them or Paramount plus. That that just doesn't matter. Their competition is YouTube. It commands about 11 or 12% of video listenership, and Netflix is at eight. And YouTube is big, really big, and podcasting, it's kind of the biggest it's the biggest distribution platform for what we're doing now. In addition, Netflix, their strategy and how
Kara Swisher · 1:10:25
they
Scott Galloway · 1:10:25
won is through an arbitrage. And in this instance, it was a geographic arbitrage where they said, we're not going to produce stuff. We're going to spend more money than anyone else. But for spending x, we're going to get 1.2 x because we're going to produce Squid Games in Seoul, Korea, we're going to present, you know, produce Money Heist in Madrid. The next arbitrage that you're gonna see is effectively podcasts are television with a lower cost means of production. Mhmm. And that is
Kara Swisher · 1:10:51
because I think this is amazing special effects going on here. But go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:55
Well, if you look at what's happened... And the guy that sort of pioneered this for me, the first thing I did when I arrived in London, literally when I moved here three and a half years ago, is I got off a plane and I went to Shoreditch, and I was on this podcast. It was supposed to be this up and coming kid named Steven Bartlett, who I think is the next Joe Rogan. And he's this super attractive, really great interviewer, 31, 32. And I walked into his podcast studio, and there were 12 people in a six camera shoot. He said, this is TV. This is... And he gets millions of views on... And Chris Williams has a good TV game. Basically, the people churning in and out of podcasts is primarily the fulcrum of that churn right now is your video game. And now what is the problem with streaming media, and what is the problem with cable news? Their audiences on cable news are declining. In streaming media, it's a capital war. So all roads lead to the same place, and that is they need a way to create content for a lower cost. And effectively, what you have with podcasts, the best podcast can create twenty two... Twenty... You know, twenty one minutes or forty two minutes of content for a thirty or sixty minute slot on TV, but they can produce it for 10 to 15% of the cost of the hair, the makeup, the unions, the theater. I mean, it's just I did the analysis here. Comcast gets somewhere between 2 and $300,000 in revenue per employee. Pivot right now this year will get easily over $1,000,000 per employee because our means of production are so much less expensive that things are so much more profitable.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:28
So you're saying our... Applying our own makeup and having a shitty background is really good business. Now you have a good one. You always have a good background. Can I ask you a specific question? What I thought was interesting was all these ideas of Netflix moving in, and I know you talked to them first, second, moving into podcasting. This isn't really moving into it. It's taking in two things. It's taking advantage of the current environment and and playing into your strength, which is distribution, one. And two, they're requiring people not to be on YouTube, which is a big shift. So, obviously, they're declaring that YouTube their enemy, their only enemy. But
Scott Galloway · 1:13:06
That's exactly right.
Kara Swisher · 1:13:07
Because I bet if we did that, something like that, they wouldn't require us not to go on CNN or not... They don't care. Right? So so talk about if that's a good trade for people not to go on YouTube. Because to me, YouTube is television, and this is sort of early territory. And then the idea that they're just dipping... They're not really gonna produce podcasts the way they produce, I don't know, k pop demon hunters or whatever it happens to be.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:32
They will soon. They're gonna learn. They they have a 100 and... They control... Other than the Google query box, it's probably the most valuable real estate in the world is that home screen on Netflix. 150,000,000 people will watch what they put on that home screen. So within twenty four months, they're dipping their toe. They're gonna learn about it. I bet within twenty four to thirty six months, Netflix has three of the 10 biggest podcasts in the world, and they'll be owned and operated by Netflix. And event... You're exactly right. Netflix has said our competitor here is YouTube, so we'll partner with Spotify, but you can't be on YouTube. But this is what's gonna happen. On with Kara Swisher, some really talented person at CNN will take the two or three hours of content you have every week, take the best forty one minutes, and run it on on an hour on CNN where, quite frankly, they don't know what to do at that hour. And by the way, it's absolute... It's it's negligible incremental cost to you, negligible incremental cost to them, and you split the revenue. Yeah. You're gonna see you're gonna see that the... Of the 50 biggest podcasts, within twelve months, 12 to 20 of them will be playing on TV. Because what is the problem with cable news?
Kara Swisher · 1:14:42
Doesn't have good stuff.
Scott Galloway · 1:14:44
It it is a revenue problem, but the bigger problem is the expense side.
Kara Swisher · 1:14:47
And the content. Right? It's the same con... It's not different. It doesn't... It's like the same airless studio.
Scott Galloway · 1:14:53
It's not that interesting, and it's really fucking expensive. When I haul my ass up to Beyond Stephanie Rules' show And
Kara Swisher · 1:14:59
we love her.
Scott Galloway · 1:14:59
You look at the the the... She does a great job, but the cost of that show, the unions, the makeup, the sound guy, the security staff, the the build... I mean, it's just the means of production are so goddamn expensive. Whereas if they say, okay. We're gonna take forty one minutes of on, and we're gonna run it after for read on Sunday or whatever. And by the way, even if it... Even if we only make half as much revenue, we're... It's gonna be a lot more profitable because they're already producing it.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:27
You know what? I haven't gotten that call.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:29
Oh, you will. You watch.
Kara Swisher · 1:15:30
Alright. Okay. By the way, I'm not working for the Ellisons, but that's another issue. But go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:15:35
But podcasts are effectively becoming TV shows with a strong audio overlay, and more importantly, a lower means of cost of production. Netflix is dipping their toe in. They're gonna realize that the next arbitrage is to take content, repurpose it at a very low incremental cost, and put it on their distribution platform. And everyone else is gonna start doing this. You're gonna see MSNBC take the best political podcast, carve them up, more graphics, a little bit better hair and makeup, a little bit better production quality, and they're gonna think, okay. For an hour of reasonably good content, it costs us another 10 or $20, not another $150. We don't need to sell to make as much money here. So, anyways, the prediction is of the top 100 podcasts, 12 to 15 of them are gonna be playing on cable news and on streaming media within the next twelve to twenty four months.
Kara Swisher · 1:16:25
It's a great idea. Hey, guys of cable media. Let's do it. I went to the MSNBC live event. I thought it was quite good. It was quite... It was well done.
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Scott Galloway · 1:16:33
I heard it was great.
Kara Swisher · 1:16:34
It was great, and it was fun. They... They're... I gave... I... The person who runs it, Rebecca Cutler, who I have a lot of respect for, she's great and is a big listener in Pivot, I sent her some thoughts of it. I I went to support Stephanie and Rachel and Saki, 10 Saki, and I thought it was good. It had really... It was a it was a good directional move for them, and it was fun, and it probably didn't cost them that much. And they did a super fan dinner. I thought it was really smart. It was super... It was a marketing event, but, you know, they... And we... Let me tell you, there's a lot of crossover fans of MSMCN pivot. I took a lot of selfies. But I went with George Hahn, and it was... We had a good time. It was really it was well done. You could see how it could go in even better directions and at a much lower cost. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 Elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe, as you know, Scott, Andrew, Kamala Harris for on with Kara Swisher. Let's listen to a clip. Have you yourself felt, with Leticia James being targeted? There's many others. Have you felt that you could be targeted, worried about being indicted?
Speaker · 1:17:41
Sure. Of course.
Kara Swisher · 1:17:49
For the people that are watching this on radio. See what I just did there? Of course. I just... I did raise my hand.
Scott Galloway · 1:17:59
Okay. Can we just talk about that for
Kara Swisher · 1:18:01
a moment?
Scott Galloway · 1:18:01
Go ahead. And this is... I think vice president Harris will make an outstanding supreme court justice. I thought her debate performance was one of the great performances in political history. I voted for her. I give money to her campaign. That answer embodies why she should not run for president and why she is not president. She had an opportunity there. That was a layup to talk about a move towards authoritarianism, how dangerous the chill is, how she is committed to being a leader and speaking up despite the risk to her professional career. Instead, she just said, of course. That perfectly embodied why she does not capture the imagination of the passion required to be the president of The United States.
Kara Swisher · 1:18:39
Let me be fair. She did talk about it a lot during the interview. Right? So maybe Did she? Yeah. She did. And the second part is she really did predict. She did say all this stuff that was gonna happen step by step, and she was Smart woman. Astonishingly accurate, and prescient, because she understood it as a prosecutor what these people do, what these, you know, mobster turned autocrats do. I would... You know, it's interesting. I got a lot of feedback from Republican leaning people, like, who liked it. Like, I I really liked it because there was a positive and negative. And most... All of them agreed that her campaign was excellent for most of it, not all of it. But but I've... She was a little salty, I have to say, and I did think... It it really compared to Buttigieg who had a very different vibe. Right? So it'll be... I'm gonna be interesting all of these people as you have done a number of them. And so I'm gonna be interested to see compare and contrast all of them, but you're right. That was an opportunity. But I think she didn't wanna get to be righteous lady. I think she didn't wanna go full righteous lady there, but... And wanted to seem brave, I guess.
Scott Galloway · 1:19:44
Do you get the sense... I mean, you you know her, and she likes you, and you like... Well, I don't know if you like her. I think you're I think you're supportive and kind to her. Do you think she's she's... Do you think she wants to run?
Kara Swisher · 1:19:57
I couldn't tell from the thing. I thought I would know. She probably will. She has the highest name recognition. Let's be clear. She... Everyone knows who she is, and the others, they don't know as well. Right? That's just the way things are. So so she and Newsome are the best known people. But watching Newsome trot right by her in the numbers, she's... Because he's trotting and so is Buttigieg. I I don't... Part of me feels like she... I don't know her well enough to say, but I felt like, I don't know if she really want... Wants it. Right? Does that make sense? Like, she certainly... I don't know. I think the... I think she ran a great campaign, and she was hindered a lot by the Biden stuff and what she couldn't do. And I know you said she should have said something, but boy, would that have been a move by someone who's already cautious. But I don't know. I couldn't... I don't... Afterwards, I didn't... I couldn't say. I couldn't say. But you're right. She'd be a great supreme court justice also. But we'll see if we get the chance to put her in course. I I I think maybe she isn't gonna run, but I'm gonna make a prediction. I don't know. She'll be mad if I see it, but I got the sense that maybe she's still on the fence about it, and that's it. Anyway, we'll see. I I don't know.
Scott Galloway · 1:21:08
Speaking of people who are running, I had Rahm Emanuel
Kara Swisher · 1:21:11
Oh, on
Scott Galloway · 1:21:11
our He's funny. On raging moderates.
Kara Swisher · 1:21:13
Yeah. I've had
Scott Galloway · 1:21:14
He's actually very good.
Kara Swisher · 1:21:15
He
Scott Galloway · 1:21:15
is. He's very good. He's very smart.
Kara Swisher · 1:21:16
Very enthusiastic.
Scott Galloway · 1:21:17
Very
Kara Swisher · 1:21:17
smart. He's doing the work. He's writing op eds. He's going on all the podcasts.
Scott Galloway · 1:21:21
No. He's... Yeah. He's very smart. Very practical.
Kara Swisher · 1:21:24
Yeah. He has a lot of non fans in Chicago, though, and even he knows this. But speaking of which, we're going on tour. We're gonna be going to Toronto, sold out. New York, almost sold out. DC, think it's very close to being sold out. Chicago is lagging a little bit, although we've sold a lot of tickets, and we're in a very big theater compared to the others. But Chicago, let's fucking keep up.
Scott Galloway · 1:21:42
Come on, Chicago.
Kara Swisher · 1:21:44
It's an extra large venue for you guys because you're, you know, you're the city of big shoulders. Anyway, come see us there, and please stay away from scalpers and third party sellers. We don't want people to take advantage of you just to come and see us. I'm getting a lot of inquiries from people who wanna go to the sold out cities, and I'm to help. We're not getting very many comps. They're like, no. You can have two or something like that. Anyway, we're very excited. Are you excited for our tour?
Scott Galloway · 1:22:08
Yeah. I am. Seven cities in in seven nights.
Kara Swisher · 1:22:11
And your book is... Let me just say... Let me give a plug. Your book is coming out that week too, so let's get it on the top of the New York Times bestseller list. Okay? The number one. Let's give it number one.
Scott Galloway · 1:22:20
Appreciate that.
Kara Swisher · 1:22:21
Wanna make that happen. It's a big important topic, and everyone is interested in it, Republicans, Democrats, TBA, whatever you happen to be. I'm gonna get a copy each for both of my sons, and and Saul would have one, but he doesn't read.
Scott Galloway · 1:22:35
Just real quick. Speaking of Chicago, my wife likes to talk on the phone during sex, and last night, she called me from Chicago. Don't even think that...
Kara Swisher · 1:22:46
Does that work? Wait.
Scott Galloway · 1:22:47
I don't
Kara Swisher · 1:22:48
Yeah. See, now I'm thinking about the mechanics of that.
Scott Galloway · 1:22:50
That on a lot of levels. Put me in the Republican... Young Republican chat. I'm ready.
Kara Swisher · 1:22:55
Anyway, that's the show. Thanks for listening to pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week. Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:23:04
Today's show was produced by Lara Neiman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Andra taught engineered this episode. Jim Mackle edited the video. Thanks also to Jabrok, Miss Zoeira, and Dan Shalon. Yashak Kuros, Vox Music executive producer of podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine nymag.com/pod. We'll be back later in the week for another breakdown of all things tech and business.
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