Scott Galloway · 37:12
80% of Americans think we need more manufacturing, but only 20% of Americans have any interest in being in manufacturing. You can't take your dog to the factory floor. People don't want the... For the most part, people don't wanna be in manufacturing. And we do need a certain level of a manufacturing base, but it needs to be advanced manufacturing, high margin. But the obsession is coming at the cost of an even better higher margin industry, and that is the tourism business.
Kara Swisher · 37:38
It's insane.
Scott Galloway · 37:39
And so... And I... Just so people can fill up our comments with calling me a fascist or a weirdo or whatever.
Kara Swisher · 37:45
Well, that's every Tuesday, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 37:47
There you go. I do believe if you are applying to come here and be a citizen or get a a Visa or a green card, I think everything is open game because what... And and young people, let's be clear. When you get a job at Goldman Sachs, before you get the offer or you apply for a job, you know what they do? They look at your social media. And if they think you're an idiot that is going to embarrass them, and you're you're saying misogynistic things or you're out just rubbing your wealth in people's face or doing shots or acting like a total asshole, guess what? They will not give you a job. They also run credit check... Checks on you. So I I... There's a difference between, I'd cut a call, tourism where we benefit. Vegas is dying, and amongst... There are two reasons Vegas is dying or a lot of reasons, but one of them is we've now moved... We've put Vegas in everyone's pocket, but also
Kara Swisher · 38:38
Online betting.
Scott Galloway · 38:39
Canadians were a huge source of of revenue for for Vegas. They're out. They're like, fuck you.
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Scott Galloway · 38:47
You're gonna treat us like assholes and take 70% of our exports, which go to you and start playing... Being reckless with our economic well-being. Yeah. We're done. Yeah. So this is yet another reason.
Speaker · 38:58
But what what... Who would even think of this?
Kara Swisher · 39:01
This is like... Where's... By the way, we... The first amendment
Scott Galloway · 39:03
which is what we're becoming.
Kara Swisher · 39:05
Literally, the first fucking amendment is says you can say whatever you think. Like, at the... You know, he also tweeted that if you... He's apparently incandescent over the New York Times, they should be able to say anything they want about The United States Of America on social media, period. Period. Full
Scott Galloway · 39:22
stop. But but do we have an obligation to let them in? I don't... I
Kara Swisher · 39:26
Yes. Yes. We do. It's just words. That's just words. They're not like
Scott Galloway · 39:30
I'm I'm asking this to learn, not to make a comment. Does the First Amendment apply to people coming in temporarily?
Kara Swisher · 39:36
Or care. It applies to our whole ethos. Like, if you
Speaker · 39:39
want it to to keep
Kara Swisher · 39:40
Well, people I out care.
Scott Galloway · 39:41
I'm I'm I'm coming to New York, and then I'm gonna commit a terrorist attack.
Kara Swisher · 39:44
I'm not talking about committing a terrorist attack. Saying Donald Trump is an orange Nazi is fine.
Scott Galloway · 39:50
Hold on. Hold on. I'm I'm... Hi. I'm coming into The US. Why are you here? Well, it says on social media that you are about to activate a terrorist cell and commit acts of terror while you are here on US soil. You think that's First Amendment free speech?
Kara Swisher · 40:05
No. Because that's not what it's about. It's... They're gonna review their foreign visitors. So so the only reason I'm pairing this together is because he was incandescent over a New York Times piece. He is... According to White House people that I talked to, he's, like, lost his mind. Well, the New York Times basically said he's old and probably, you know, essentially has frontal lobe dementia, which I think we all can all after the performance of the last two days
Scott Galloway · 40:26
You're going a bit off script here, but
Kara Swisher · 40:28
I think I This is what he said. Anyone who says I'm sick is a traitor and could be tried for sedition, essentially, is what he said.
Scott Galloway · 40:36
Agree.
Kara Swisher · 40:36
Words words don't count. And I I just... I... Look.
Scott Galloway · 40:40
If you can different, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 40:42
No. No. If they come in and they have threatened us on social media, then we stop them. We look through their bags. We say we're gonna follow them. We still let them in. I'm sorry. It's just words. It's like, what if it's a teenager doing it? What if it's some angry grandma? German grandma. Those We can
Scott Galloway · 40:58
judgment calls, but I don't think I don't think everyone I don't I don't think everyone... Anyone... I don't think Americans have a birthright to live in New York. If it's too expensive, you leave. I don't think people have a birthright to just throw up their arm, unfortunately, and say asylum and gain entry into The US. And I don't think it's people's birthright, let me let me continue, to come in for whatever reason if they have a history and statements that appear to be a threat and are gonna cost us more energy and money to track these people because we perceive they're a real threat. Having said that, I I think the bar has to be pretty fucking low to gain entry to come in and spend money. And if you've said some anti American things on your social media, okay. We should be able to assess how serious a threat it is. And the bar needs to be, I don't know, really high or really low. But if you've said some anti American things, that's probably 70% of anyone who has a social media account.
Kara Swisher · 41:48
That's right.
Scott Galloway · 41:48
And the economic benefit and the brand America... When people come to America, guess what? They have a really good time, and they like us. And they find out on the whole, people who are Republicans and Democrats are pretty decent people. And then they go back and say, hey. Maybe someday, let's go back to Disney. Or if our kid wants to go to college in The US, or if a US company comes here, maybe I'll do business with them. We have a vested economic and strategic and military interest, vested interest, in letting people come and see how wonderful America
Kara Swisher · 42:17
But I think what you were doing was a very edge case of a thing. They already were were aware of those. Who calls Lauren Schittler, come on in. Like, who cares? Like, who the fuck cares? And they don't need to investigate that person. If they don't have a history or record of crime
Scott Galloway · 42:32
with that.
Kara Swisher · 42:32
Which they already know before... By the way, they know the the bad people that come in for the most part. It's not a secret. It's not some grandma from Germany. Like, give me a break. I mean, it's it's only one step to what he was saying very explicitly. If you say I'm old and sick
Scott Galloway · 42:48
You're a traitor.
Kara Swisher · 42:49
You're guilty traitor. Of this condition. You're old and you're sick, and I think you have pre... You know, frontal dementia... Lobe dementia. I... Come and get me. I don't know what else to say. Anyway, speaking of which, president Trump kicked off a series of really unusual speeches for him even because he seemed rather low energy and meandering intended to ease the cost of living concerns by mocking affordability. Let's listen to a clip of the speech in Pennsylvania this week.
Speaker · 43:15
But they have a new word. You know, they always have a hoax. The new word is affordability. So they look at the camera and they say, this election is all about affordability. Now they never talk about it.
Kara Swisher · 43:30
Yeah. They're talking about it now, sir. He got distracted by someone in crowd telling him to run for four more years. During the speech, he also suggested Americans should buy less pencils and dolls from overseas. That's an old trope he was doing. He was quite... I mean, I don't think he has Alzheimer's. I think he has this frontal look because you get more aggressive and more fanciful with that one. Alzheimer's is a forgetting disease, really. But this idea of you can get your dolls elsewhere, buy less pencils, nobody cares about affordability, they must be they must be beside themselves in the White House that he's doing this.
Scott Galloway · 44:08
He ran on affordability. And 57%
Kara Swisher · 44:11
of voters Ability. Sorry.
Scott Galloway · 44:14
57% of voters agree that Trump was losing the battle against inflation. 68% believe that the economy is poor or very poor. And according to a recent political poll, get this, 27% of respondents have skipped a medical checkup because of the costs because of costs accelerating in the last two years. A quarter have skipped a prescription. A third said they could not afford to attend a professional sports event with their family or friends, and almost half said they can't pay for a vacation that involves air travel. I mean, this is the problem. Neither Democrats or Republicans wanna have a serious fucking conversation around affordability. Republicans want a tariff. Democrats wanna throw money at people to say, well, well, short term solve your problem. The structural the structural answers to inflation and affordability are really boring, and the American public doesn't seem to wanna elect people who are willing to have these conversations. The things that drive inflation, you you start with the shit that drives the CPI. 40%, unfortunately, of middle income homes now is going towards housing. We need... And you've said this. We need a massive increase in housing. The next biggest cost in terms of acceleration, the two and three, are education and health care. We need national medicine or socialized medicine, and we need tuition caps based on income of the household. But no one wants to talk about... And we need massive antitrust.
Kara Swisher · 45:35
Well, it's also it's also food, though, Scott. I mean, I was noticing, and I have plenty money to buy food. But I was in a store the other day, and the chicken sandwich was $8. And Amanda saw one too, $89, like, for just a basic chicken. And I was like, that's, like, less... More than minimum wage. Like, everything... Like, even the most basic stuff is more than minimum wage. And I I don't know... I don't pay attention to prices as much as I should. Sometimes I do. Sometimes I don't. But, boy, do you notice them now? Because you're like,
Scott Galloway · 46:05
The what question is, you're saying what everyone will agree with, and that is the rent is too damn high. You know? Remember that mayoral candidate? Mhmm. We all agree. The question is what do we do about it? And the answer is, in my view, if you're talking about a chicken sandwich, there are three companies controlling the majority of the poultry market. There are too few grocers and too much regulation and too too much red tape that increases the cost of of grocery prices. You need more competition. There are literally seven food companies responsible for the vast majority of our food products right now. We need we need dramatically more competition.
Kara Swisher · 46:44
Point of view, him making fun of it, I don't even understand what the theory is here except that he has frontal lobe dementia. I don't know what else he could do.
Scott Galloway · 46:52
I don't I don't... I I don't think it's fair to say he has dementia or Alzheimer's. What I think it's fair to say is he suffers from an ailment that is very obvious and is true. He suffers from 70 nine. And we just should not have a person with their finger on the button trying to figure out tariff policy, trying to figure out, you know, our relationship with the CCP and what ship should go and the threat they present long term
Kara Swisher · 47:14
But but
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Kara Swisher · 47:15
of him doing this, trying to make it not a thing? It's by ineffective. Pilloried for much less by saying
Scott Galloway · 47:22
that Totally totally ineffective. And I'm glad he's doing it because I think it plays into our hands. But at some point, the counter to that can't be just what a fucking idiot is. Okay. Agreed.
Kara Swisher · 47:31
Right. Got
Scott Galloway · 47:32
it. It's alright. Affordability requires an adult conversation and long term structural solutions. Are we ready for an adult conversation around housing, medical care, tuition costs, and antitrust?
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Kara Swisher · 47:43
Democrats I don't think mocking is about
Scott Galloway · 47:44
having this conversation? Outside of senator Klobuchar, who's actually having this conversation. The Democrats who I have on raging moderates all say the same thing. This is an important conversation that we need to have at the right moment, but right now, let's make sure we get the, you know, ACA subsidies. Alright. I get it.
Kara Swisher · 48:00
Well, that's a cost. Like, you're... Like, you don't buy insurance, but mine is gonna go up quite a bit. Like... And it was it was remark... It was like, what could it go up to? And it wasn't I
Scott Galloway · 48:12
agree. It's insane.
Kara Swisher · 48:13
It was Forty percent
Scott Galloway · 48:14
of American households have medical or dental debt. But... Okay. So we have a series of Band Aid ideas, but no one wants to talk about a structural reform in health care because the health care industrial complex is the biggest donor to PACS. I just gave a bunch of money to a young woman who just announced her campaign for senate and her... Well, pretty easy to figure
Kara Swisher · 48:38
Crockett. Okay. Yeah. I saw you online. You were, like, call me, Jasmine.
Scott Galloway · 48:41
Yeah. I am literally, like, watching my parents argue. I love Talarico, and I love Jasmine Crockett. Anyways,
Kara Swisher · 48:49
should we invite both of them to South by Southwest and be on stage with us for our
Scott Galloway · 48:52
Oh, I would love that.
Kara Swisher · 48:53
Let's try that. I would love Jasmine?
Scott Galloway · 48:55
I think they're
Kara Swisher · 48:55
James? We'd like to have you both on stage.
Scott Galloway · 48:57
I think they're both outstanding. Got what's wrong with us. Running against each other. Anyways... But I heard from someone on our staff saying, we'll try and find time for you to meet with a representative. I'm like, no. People people with my demographic have way too much fucking influence already. Yep. I am sending this money with one directive. Keep keeping on, girl. Yeah. Just keep doing what
Kara Swisher · 49:19
you're doing. Like to see her slap you back to last Sunday as my own entertainment.
Scott Galloway · 49:24
That's what you're here for at
Kara Swisher · 49:25
seventy three. She would totally take... Her her announcement video was great. I like him too.
Speaker · 49:30
I love
Scott Galloway · 49:30
her announcement video too. She's worried.
Kara Swisher · 49:32
People are worried about fighting each other. I don't... I think that's fine. Everyone's like, oh, we've blown
Speaker · 49:36
this out.
Kara Swisher · 49:37
I'm like, no. We haven't.
Scott Galloway · 49:38
Hot young people like Talarico, who,
Speaker · 49:40
by the way
Kara Swisher · 49:40
need to give
Scott Galloway · 49:41
up Instagram models, which I love, which I love. I love a guy who talks about Jesus and then is following
Kara Swisher · 49:46
Ellen Campsons. Radikowski did ask about him. Anyway, let's go on a quick break.
Scott Galloway · 49:51
You know, I expose myself, and you jab. We come back, I got so much dopa when you said you know Emily Ratajkowski, and I was waiting for the end to say that she DM'd you.
Kara Swisher · 50:01
About you. So when we come back, we'll talk about Australia's new social media ban for teens.
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Kara Swisher · 50:29
I get so many headaches every month.
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Kara Swisher · 52:05
Scott, we're back. It might be time for us to move down under. Australia's become the first country in the world to ban kids 16 from using social media. Instagram, TikTok, Snapchat, Reddit, and several other platforms face fines of up to $33,000,000 if they don't take reasonable steps to remove underage users. Of course, Aussie teens are already finding workarounds. Of course, they are creating accounts with fake ages using less popular apps and even taking the government to court. Fine. Well, and good. That's what that's what teens are there for. And here in The US, the Florida law banning social media accounts for kids 14 is, going into effect after surviving a court challenge. I gotta say, I agree with that idiot. Remember him down in Florida, DeSantis on this? This works. Will the rest of the world follow? Now just for... Let me just say, we give Facebook and Meta a hard time. And by the way, they are not keeping young people safe no matter what they say. Tim Cook was on Capitol Hill this week lobbying against legislation that requires platforms to authenticate users age, pushing instead to, put the burden on parents. Know, that both Meta and they are arguing who's responsible. I think they're both responsible, the... Whether the phones are or the, social media sites. But putting it on parents when they make these products is just not... Is just... I I find really shameful for Tim Cook to do. But I know why he's doing it. I just find it shameful.
Scott Galloway · 53:21
We just gave back in one move, or I should say the Australian government and their leadership just gave back. This is the most generous, accretive gift to kids likely in Australian history. Their time with their friends, their self esteem, their time outside, their time playing sports, their time with their parents, their ability to navigate relationship in parent... In person, their ability to focus on their schoolwork, their test scores. The Australian government just gave back more childhood to children than any single legislation I think passed in the West in the last decade. And and I I just wanna call out... I think the most influential scholar in the world right now is my colleague Jonathan Haidt. I just don't think this would have happened without his book, The Ancientist Generation. It might have might have happened, but it wouldn't have happened as soon. And I hope that it ignites an absolute firestorm. And they say, well, it's about parenting. Oh, you, Tim Cook. Do you think it's parenting that the bar should be able to serve my kid alcohol and that it's up to me to make sure that he never gets access
Kara Swisher · 54:31
to some of your responsibilities... By the way, Tim Cook doesn't have children, so they don't have the difficulty
Scott Galloway · 54:35
of Okay. And here's the problem. Parenting. Okay. You don't have children when you say that.
Kara Swisher · 54:41
Yeah. You don't.
Scott Galloway · 54:42
That's why I'm not. It's a collective action, unless every 15 year old is off snap, you move in with parenting and you manage to figure out a way to use custodia or custodial and get them off SNAP. And guess what? They're more depressed, as my other colleague Adam Alter did research around this, because they're ostracized because they're the only ones not on SNAP. So unless this is collective action through legislation, and this is my favorite argument from Meta, that they're violating their First Amendment rights. You know what? A 14 year old doesn't need to know. We don't need to know what a 14 year old thinks about mRNA vaccines. I'm sorry. This is such an insane argument that it's... That they're worried about the free speech. And they say this is nothing but the following. This is Joe Camel. It was shown that the tobacco industry had a series of cartoon like characters to try and incorporate new people into their addiction, which would continue to kill our sisters and our brothers and our our mothers. And they said, sorry. You don't get to feed the pipeline with cartoon like characters. Nor should social media, at a minimum, be allowed to spread this depression, this disassociation, and the sequestration from life and family. My fear, I would love to think this ignites similar bans around the world. I... I'm hopeful it does, but the problem is in America, we are falling to this delusion that we are a democracy. We're not. We have a passive majority that is weaponized and influenced by a very activated, sophisticated, well funded special interest groups. And the special interest group around
Kara Swisher · 56:13
Say tech it, sister.
Scott Galloway · 56:15
Well, the special interest group around tech is only second to the health industrial complex in terms of money and maybe number one right now because the entire economy and the Trump administration is making a big bet on AI. So these people have so much fucking... We have minority rule.
Kara Swisher · 56:30
Areas that are the worst for Americans, health care and social media among the worst, biggest biggest lobbyists. It's in there. It's just... Let me just say
Scott Galloway · 56:40
100%.
Kara Swisher · 56:40
I agree. Parents should get off their phones when they're... In front of their kids. They should do... Be more present with kids. Absolutely. They should be more interested in what they're doing online, but it is it is... It's too hard to use, and it's not your fault, parents. This is made. I have a hard time monitoring the... I had a hard time monitoring these things, but I did it. But it was very it was very difficult, and the tools suck. So this is their responsibility to to make it so. Put warning labels on these things. Explain this to kids. And and, again, I agree. Parents should not be on their phone. Like, you have to sort of, you know, pattern map for kids on stuff like that. Ignoring them and looking at your phones is one of those things. And so there is a parental obligation here, but for the most part, that this is the... Is on them, all of them. And it's really repulsive that all these companies have constantly abrogated their responsibilities of their shoddy products no matter how you do it, and they are able to do it. And I know they put in all this, what if finding people privacy. I don't care. Figure it out. You're smart people. So... And you're making a ton of money, so I'm sure you could spend some of your money.
Scott Galloway · 57:54
Well well, just... Let's talk about some data in The US. So Instagram earned $4,000,000,000 this year from teens age 13 to 17. They make... Platforms are gonna earn about $13,000,000,000 from kids 18 at twenty twenty two, which translates to about, I don't know, somewhere between a 100,000,000,000 and a $250,000,000,000. So what do you know? They're worried about their First Amendment rights. 53% of children now own a smartphone by age 11. That has doubled since 2015. Three quarters of children aged two to five engage with YouTube regularly, and teens spend five hours a day on social media. Where do you think that five hours has come from? About 35% of their waking hours outside of school. And age gating, guess what, folks? We age gate bars and restaurants serving alcohol, convenience stores, gas stations, smoke shops, tobacco, cannabis dispensaries
Kara Swisher · 58:45
Can't drive till your sixties.
Scott Galloway · 58:46
Casinos, sports books, the DMV, online gambling sites, pornography, firearm retailers. Can Australia run The US?
Kara Swisher · 58:54
Yes. I would like to.
Scott Galloway · 58:55
Have firearms. They have a super return fund for for Yeah. They're very tough. Invest.
Kara Swisher · 59:00
Out into the... They go out into
Scott Galloway · 59:02
By the way, I'm going there. The time I'm going there, I'm going there for the holidays.
Kara Swisher · 59:05
Oh, nice. I'm glad you'll love it. I was
Scott Galloway · 59:07
just there. Lizard Island, Great Barrier
Kara Swisher · 59:08
this year.
Scott Galloway · 59:09
Super excited.
Kara Swisher · 59:10
I'm going for my nephew's. My nephew lives there. I'm going for his wedding next year. Alright. We we love Austin.
Scott Galloway · 59:15
Me. You always have... I'm just going to Sydney for a great New Year's party.
Kara Swisher · 59:19
You're gonna have a great time. It's a wonderful place. They've got myriad of problems, but lot of other problems. But I gotta say this was a winner for these people. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be right back.
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Kara Swisher · 1:00:04
I get so many headaches every month.
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— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 1:01:39
Okay, Scott. We're gonna do something a little different today. Time just announced its person of the year, which everyone thought it would be the architects of AI for 2025. The cover shows Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk, Sam Altman, Jensen Huang, Fei Fei Li, and a few others. Let me ask you. Who would you have picked as the time person thing slash thing of the year?
Scott Galloway · 1:02:00
Who I would have picked, who's my person of the year, and I actually wrote this up, was Mackenzie Scott.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:05
Excellent choice. There you go. $7,000,000,000 she's given away this year.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:10
Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Definitely a different approach to what I'll call feminine giving versus masculine giving. The the... I think the woman who won the Nobel Peace Prize is gonna play a seminal role. I think Maduro's gonna be... I think we're gonna have regime change in Venezuela. Don't know
Kara Swisher · 1:02:25
themselves. That's my feeling.
Scott Galloway · 1:02:27
100%.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:28
I would pick... I'm gonna go pop culture, actually. I would pick, K pop demon hunters because
Scott Galloway · 1:02:36
No.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:36
I would. I would. Here's why. Because I think... You know, I know you didn't... You don't pay attention to cultural things as much as I do. But
Scott Galloway · 1:02:43
I like culture, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:44
I love it. And so Occasionally, I buy brand
Scott Galloway · 1:02:46
vegetables. That's about it.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:47
What happened at the Macy's parade, which everybody loved and made everybody feel good, was a moment. And at the center of that was a moment of let's all, like, stop this hatefulness. Let's be interesting. Let's have all different... There was country people. There was all kinds of people there. Like, it wasn't, like... It wasn't woke. It was just America. I felt really good about it. Right? I think they represent a lot of things that I think we have to get back to, which is, which is the idea that differ... The difference is okay. You shouldn't hide yourself. The the the good feeling about this country and this world, like, feeling good about that we are are... We can be... And I'm not a religious person, that we can be saved. There... There's a grace. There's amazing grace, and that's what that... The music there. And I... It's played on any parent on their Spotify playlist or whatever the year, whatever music. It's k pop demon hunters, which is amazing because kids are really responding to it. And so it's not just it's it's not just the song golden. It's not just, you know, Take Down and everything else. It's a complex look at how difficult it is to deal with differences. And I just... I find it to be one of the most moving cultural moments this year is... And you know I I wanna pick Taylor Swift and Fate of O'Feely, which I loved. But I think it... I think it's a really... You can see people as they listen to it. And I know it sounds dumb, but you remember Ted and... Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure when they become the band that brings the... Their whole thing is in the future, they become this band. What was it called? Horse or whatever, which was funny, but that's what I felt like with this movie. It's like this could... This unites people in a way I find very lovely, and so I would pick k pop team.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:33
Did you know my big NYEO... I wanna bring this back to me. I know I don't like to talk about... You know, I don't like to talk about my self care, but there was something called YEO, and I joined one of, like, 30 years old in San Francisco, which is supposed to be a theater into YPO. And you get a mentor. The best part of it is you get a mentor who's a YPOer. And my mentor was the runner-up for... Or one of the runner ups for person of the year, a Times person of the year, and it was Bob Swanson. Do you remember him?
Kara Swisher · 1:05:00
No. No.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:01
He was the founder of Genentech.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:03
Oh, okay. Alright. He met me Craig, whatever you call it.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:07
We met, and the the loveliest guy. I mean, this is a guy very busy. Right? And he said... We met. We had lunch, and he said, and I said, I had just started Prophet, this brand... This strategy firm. And he said, would you... He goes, how can I be the most helpful? I'm like, you know, I sorta know what I'm doing, but I really don't. And he said, oh, I have an idea. I'll just I'll just shadow you for a day. Yeah. He met me in my office. Actually, met me at the gym. I I worked out every day from seven to eight. He met me at the gym, picked me up, took me to my office, and he just shadowed me for a full day. Meetings, client meetings, and he's a fairly, like, kinda quiet, like, not... He was sort of, like, like, you know, shorter guy, carried a few extra pounds, just sort of kind of... I don't wanna say blended in, obviously, a genius. And he he just shouted me the whole day. And at the end of the day, he sat me down, and he'd taken a bunch of notes. And he said, okay. Great leaders listen more than they talk. You are not a great leader yet. You you wanna impress everybody. You're talking too much.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:10
Of course. That's pretty obvious.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:12
He said... He had all these things that have stuck with me my whole life. He said he said, you don't understand the difference between being right and being effective. He's like, you're right a lot, but you're too aggressive, and you're turning off people. You gotta think about how am I effective here.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:27
Mhmm.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:27
And he just gave me a series of things. Wow. Anyways, that was my my mentor story.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:33
Oh my god. That's a wonderful story.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:34
Oh, you know who I would pick?
Kara Swisher · 1:06:36
Who? Okay.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:36
To to stick my finger in Putin's eyes. I'd pick Navalny.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:39
That's a great idea. Yeah. There's all kinds of people. I... You know, this is sort of an antiquated thing, the person of the year, but it still kinds of kinda works because it makes you think about things.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:49
Mhmm.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:50
So, anyway, we do not think the architects of AI deserve it. I don't, at least. I think there's a much more uplifting story about to happen over the next year.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:59
Such a snooze.
Kara Swisher · 1:07:00
I'm telling you. It is. I know architects and AI. Can you
Scott Galloway · 1:07:03
know what know realistically who it should be? What? It should probably be Jensen Huang. No. Hate it when they have multiple people or they
Kara Swisher · 1:07:10
don't pick a person. Able to wear his coat and act like a lesbian and kiss up to Trump. No.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:14
He's built a pretty
Kara Swisher · 1:07:16
important company. Understand, but I'm not... I'm... Like, time will tell, as they say. Anyway, you've gotta get going because you've arrived late, and you've gotta leave early. We wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot. Submit a question for the show or call 85551 elsewhere in the Karen Scott universe this week, and Scott spoke with Tristan Harris, former Google design ethicist and cofounder of the Center for Humane Technology. I know him well. He's fantastic. Let's listen to a clip.
Speaker · 1:07:44
The US beat China to the technology of social media. Did that make us stronger, or did that make us weaker? If you beat an adversary to a technology, but that you then don't govern in a in a wise way, you instead, like, you built this gun, you flip it around, you blow your own brain off, which is what we did with social media, we have the worst critical thinking test scores, you know, mental health, anxious depressed generation in history. And it's a confusing picture because GDP is going up, but sort of cancer is going up too. So it's like we have the magnificent seven. We're profiting from, you know, all the wealth of these companies, but it's actually not being distributed to everybody except those who are invested in the stock market. And that profit is based on the degradation of our social fabric.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:27
I love that guy. He's been going at this for a long time.
Scott Galloway · 1:08:30
Yeah. He's been doing it. He's been a... He's kind of the original gangster of all things are not right in Mudville.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:35
You are absolutely right, and they they can't stand it. But he's been right then, and he's right now, and that was great. That's a terrific thing
Scott Galloway · 1:08:42
to say. The nicest part of the interview is I asked him who's been most influential in his life, and he said that his mother and that she was nothing but pure love,
Kara Swisher · 1:08:49
which
Scott Galloway · 1:08:49
I really like.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:50
Oh, lovely. You would
Scott Galloway · 1:08:51
He is a nice man.
Kara Swisher · 1:08:52
Yeah. That would appeal to you, I'm sure. And before we go, I'm interviewing Dara Khosrashahi, the CEO of Uber, and Chris Ermson, the CEO of Aurora, live on stage at the Hopkins Bloomberg Center in Washington DC on Monday, December 15, next Monday. These are gonna be two really sharp conversations about applied AI and autonomous vehicles. I'm very excited. They're both... Chris was the original Google, car of, autonomous car projects at Google. I think he's great too, and both of them. I've known Dara for a long time. Really smart thinkers. To register for free tickets, Google Hopkins and Kara Swisher. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week. Scott, read us out.
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 1:09:34
Today's show is produced by Lara Nayman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie and her Todd entered into this episode. Rich Shibley edited the video. Thanks to officer Jubrose, miss Severo, and Dan Chillon, Jacques Kurowat's Vox Media's executive producer podcast. Make sure to follow Pivot on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine, nymag.com/pod. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. This is comedy gold. We gotta record this.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:05
We are recording this. Let me just say, you're late to the podcast. No. Happy birthday.
Speaker · 1:10:11
I'm late. Well, it's because you didn't use a condom.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:13
You always think it's a good
Speaker · 1:10:14
idea to start with a condom,
Scott Galloway · 1:10:16
and then and then you get me all out and bothered and say, just just let me put the tip in. You 73 year olds.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:23
No present. Several moguls sent me presents. Not you.
Scott Galloway · 1:10:27
I like it. I like unexpected gifts.
Kara Swisher · 1:10:29
Louis sent me birthday song... Birthday by two chains. Here, I'll just play it myself.
Speaker · 1:10:35
I want for my birthday is
Speaker · 1:10:36
a big ooty house. All I want for my birthday is a big ooty house.
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