Speaker · 34:22
And we didn't do that. And we also didn't bury him somewhere that could become a pilgrimage, place for extremists.
Kara Swisher · 34:32
Trump had the opposite text. Let me read what this is what he just posted on Truth Social. I think streaming the execution for all to see might have been a strong deterrent for the world to witness how America deals with terrorists and scum like Assan, but many very good and well meaning people would rather not watch him die through streaming or through any other visual device. I think he's just trying to get out of this. I think she's a 100% right. This is like... And especially this guy's in a wheelchair. The whole thing is... The barbarism aside, I think she's making the correct point is this is an... This is a great thing for countries who do these things, like, in Afghanistan or Iran.
Scott Galloway · 35:05
Look. This is a very serious topic, and my view is that literally within a minute, Katie Zechariah solved impostor syndrome or cured impostor syndrome from the entire human race. That's a joke. You didn't think that was funny? Got She cured impostor syndrome?
Kara Swisher · 35:19
I got it.
Scott Galloway · 35:19
I saw that comedy.
Kara Swisher · 35:21
Alright. Do this one. Alright. This is another visual, though.
Scott Galloway · 35:23
This is like I think... Look. I think secretary Clinton gets this exactly right, and that is this is how fucking stupid our secretary of defense, and it will go back to being the defense department, not the department of war. He wants to turn this guy into a hero, into a martyr. And they handled we need... Confidence needs to become the new black again. Giving Bin Laden... They they washed his body as in accordance with
Kara Swisher · 35:51
Islamic law.
Scott Galloway · 35:52
Islamic law. They wrapped him, and then they buried him at sea. And they didn't wanna make it. They didn't wanna make it. What Hexes wants to do, he thinks this is a warning. No. It's not. He's producing a recruitment video, and and he's handing jihadists the highest production value content they've ever had. This is... Look. Hassan deserves what the law hands him, but America doesn't deserve to become a country that streams it, and jihadist radicals don't deserve the greatest content they've... You know, ever. This is this is
Kara Swisher · 36:28
It's stupidity.
Scott Galloway · 36:29
Well, it's not only... It... It's a unique combination of depravity and stupidity. It's like, okay. We're... I mean, even thinking, you wanna talk about ghoulish. What are the logistics here? He's in a fucking wheelchair. They were gonna lift him out of a wheelchair and hang him? What what what were they gonna do?
Kara Swisher · 36:49
Like... Yeah. Exactly.
Scott Galloway · 36:50
And this would have this would have been the most watched video in the world.
Kara Swisher · 36:53
And it would
Scott Galloway · 36:54
have further cemented the notion that I'd like to believe is a temporary bump in the road, but a lot of people think is the new road, that America is no longer the good guys.
Kara Swisher · 37:03
It's brutal. I I was... I... Whole time I thought about kids, because kids would get to it, you know, online. Because it's not like Justice on TV. They can't watch it. It's only on once. This would go everywhere, and kids would look at it. And, you know, kids already have too much video content that's violent. There is. But this is, like, the real fucking deal. And that's what I kept thinking of, like, oh my god. Like, a certain kid of 14, a boy, right, is just just not... Just so bad for them in so many ways. Such a... And, you know, Trump pretending like it would... A deterrent. It's not a deterrent to these people, Donald Trump. And, again, Hillary's right on that regard. But I think focusing in on the heinousness is important and the the the amoral nature of it. But more important is it's not gonna do what you think it's gonna do. And as usual, it's just, you know, the moronic, Pete Heck says, without talking to experts. And in the case of Bin Laden, what what Clinton was saying is they consulted, like, all kinds of experts to figure out what to do. And some people wanted to show those pictures, but they had it, like, a a huge... They had a they had a big debate internally and then came to recommendations for Obama... President Obama. And that's how it should be. Right? They had a full debate inside, and there were people on the side of... And one of the issues they had was if they didn't show the pictures of him dead, there'd be all these conspiracies that he was still alive, which is something to consider. Right? Something to consider. But in the end, you know, becoming a recruitment video is exactly what have happened here, and a brutal and disgusting one too. Anyway, I knew Trump was gonna not do this. He had been calling around
Scott Galloway · 38:39
to be That pushback here was pretty universal.
Kara Swisher · 38:41
I know. But initially, he was because his instinct is for stupidity and exhibitionism.
Scott Galloway · 38:46
So The good side or the the silver lining here is that we all got to witness Katie Zakaria's first day on Earth yesterday, and I'm excited to see day two. I'm excited to see day two. Oh, that poor woman.
Kara Swisher · 38:59
I I shouldn't
Speaker · 39:00
say I
Scott Galloway · 39:00
am so here for Katie.
Kara Swisher · 39:01
Her. She, like, has... She loves the Pizzagate stuff.
Scott Galloway · 39:04
I had a poster of Farrah Fawcett, then I had a poster of Supertramp until I found out it was all dudes, not beautiful women singing that that lovely lyrical... Does... I'm going to put a a poster of Katie Zechariah in my bedroom. I think she is I am... This is a gift. This is gift to
Kara Swisher · 39:21
Scott. It's a recruitment video for... It's recruitment thing for Scott.
Scott Galloway · 39:25
All of us.
Kara Swisher · 39:26
No. It's not. I just... She's pathetic.
Scott Galloway · 39:28
I think her and Peter Doocy should have 50 kids, and we should take over the Grenada together.
Kara Swisher · 39:33
Okay. Let's go on a quick break. When we come back, open AI in the case of corporate espionage.
Scott Galloway · 39:43
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Kara Swisher · 43:07
Scott, we're back with more news. The FBI has arrested an OpenAI engineer accused of secretly planting a listening device in an executive conference room at the company's San Francisco office. This device was discovered during a security sweep, and OpenAI says it used its own AI model to help identify the employee. They seem to have cameras everywhere. There was a picture of surveillance video showed the employee returning to check the device, and a search uncovered a second recording device in the employee's bag. The employee has been charged with illegally intercepting communications through open AI, so there's no evidence that sensitive information or code were stolen. I feel like he's from another country too, and they're worried about just... You know, they should they should have had very lockdown situation. I've been to that headquarters, and they're a little loose with their security, I would say. I wandered around for a while. That was, like, eight... Maybe six, eight months ago. You know, obviously, is there something bigger behind it, or or any thoughts on this?
Scott Galloway · 44:00
People think that espionage is James Bond in an Austin Martin, you know, infiltrating a cliffside lair and having a gunfight. It's not. It's the office assistant who is... You know, commutes to Gowanus and works at Google or an AI engineer who's been put through undergrad and grad and gets on a, quote, unquote, advisory board back in China and then is asked not to reveal that. And then before they know it, they're uploading thumb drives. The the the corporate espionage vastly, vastly outnumbers or dwarfs actual espionage because there's so much money on the line. The way China is beating us is they steal our IP, and then they sell it back to us for 60¢ on the dollar. And they do that. The the greatest economic program in history is corporate or IP theft slash corporate espionage. Yeah. And what we have here
Kara Swisher · 45:00
Have you ever had that happen to you?
Scott Galloway · 45:01
My companies aren't aren't important enough.
Kara Swisher · 45:04
Well, still.
Scott Galloway · 45:05
So I don't think it's happened to me. What has happened to me is as a a faculty member, I've I've I've worked with... I'm choosing my words carefully here. There's a there's a recognition amongst our security apparatus that the most powerful tech companies have spies everywhere. And what's interesting about spies, Kara, is they don't realize they're spies, or a lot of them don't. Now imagine you're a kid from a small village in China, and you're just academically a superstar, and you keep getting elevated to better and better schools. And then they say, how'd you like to go to Dartmouth and have everything paid for? Great. They go. They're outstanding. And they say, hey. Would you like a job at Google or Starlink? And we can help you. And this kid ends up at Starlink. And then they're asked to go on a, quote, unquote, domestic advisory board. And by the way, don't let your employer know about it. And... But but our security apparatus is hip to it. There are people... Google and these companies know they have dozens, if not hundreds, of spies internally.
Kara Swisher · 46:12
With them.
Scott Galloway · 46:12
Yeah. And then our security apparatus, you wanna talk about spy versus spy, also has agents pretending to be engineers trying to root them out. And then what they do is when they find that they're actual spies uploading information or providing information back to the GRU or the Mossad. By the way, the the West spies on each other. There is so much spying.
Kara Swisher · 46:32
Oh, yeah. No. The Israelis are are... Do a lot of spying.
Scott Galloway · 46:35
Back to the CCP. They then bring them in to to... They sit them down with a a domestic agent, and they say, okay. Door one is we unmask you, and you have to go home to China. That's the biggest threat. We're sending you home. Or door number two is you're gonna begin to work with us, and you can stay in your apartment in in Brooklyn and continue to go to the Soho House, but you're now working with us. There is so much back and forth. But what you have here is the most valuable IP on earth sits in in conference rooms with WeWork level security.
Kara Swisher · 47:11
Yeah. It's true. It is really amazing. I used to wander around face... I was always struck by that. Like, they have they have locked it down much more in many years since, but, boy, were you able to wander around those halls, like, in a way that
Scott Galloway · 47:23
was The best ad strange. The best ad for for OpenAI
Kara Swisher · 47:27
Mhmm.
Scott Galloway · 47:27
Is that it used its own AI to catch the guy. That's the best product demo they've done all year.
Kara Swisher · 47:31
Yeah. They definitely have a picture of him. Anyway, interesting development, and we'll probably see more of it. Another interesting story, Apple has unveiled its new HomeView, a $299 smart home tablet, marking another major product launch under new CEO John Turnis. The seven inch device can sit on the counter, amount on the wall, and uses facial recognitions to identify up to six household members and personalize their messages, calendars, and apps. HomeView will feature Apple's revamped AI powered Siri. We'll see. As the company tries to gain ground in a market where Amazon holds nearly 50% of the smart speaker sales through its Amazon Echo and others. These devices, they keep... Facebook tried to put one in the house. They all do. I mean, what do you think? What do you... Will it catch? I don't want one of these, but maybe don't
Scott Galloway · 48:16
I'm generally critical of new tech products, But I actually think this Cheap. Right. Well, okay. So a $300 tablet entering a market where Amazon holds 50% of the market, the problem here isn't the hardware. The problem is Siri. Right? And so this is why I think it ultimately wins. It's amazing to me that the most valuable asset any consumer owns, their home, has such a dearth of really aspirational brands in the home.
Kara Swisher · 48:49
It does.
Scott Galloway · 48:50
Name a ubiquitous furniture brand.
Kara Swisher · 48:54
Right. Name I have a Sonos, I guess.
Scott Galloway · 48:56
Okay. So that's one brand. Hardly any market cap. But you'll sell... There will be a $3,000,000 home for sale, and they'll list sub zero, a $4,000 or $6,000 refrigerator. There are so few... And just being very honest, I will buy one of these because I like the idea of my... Of an Apple appliance in my home. I think it's really strong signaling and self expressive benefit. And there are so few there are so few great brands within... You know, even in expensive cars now, they have Bang and Olufsen, and they have... I mean, they have different kind of sub brands within Recaro seats. Then within the home, there are actually... There's shockingly few brands. And if you can advertise subzero as a listing or as a feature on a multimillion dollar asset, Apple is the strongest consumer brand in the world right now.
Kara Swisher · 49:47
Let me get back to what you said. Will you use it? I have tried all these things, and I never... I... The phone works just fine. Like, I don't... Like, I just don't see... I have not. I have had all... Every single one of these. I I even tried the stupid Meta one, and largely, I didn't use it because I don't want him in my house, essentially, any Facebook stuff in my house. But... And I trust Apple a little more, but away from the trusting of it, which is another big issue, I use my Sonos, and I know it's not that big. I do not... I I never use these things because the phone is right at my fingertips, essentially, and and with me at all times. I don't know. Maybe people will.
Scott Galloway · 50:24
I I do think there's room. Look. I have... For whatever reason, I have a bunch of interfaces in my house for temperature, to turn things off and on.
Kara Swisher · 50:33
They're very confusing.
Scott Galloway · 50:34
I do think someone's gonna bring it... Apple has more license to bring it all together and have an Apple logo and say, alright. You wanna turn your pool heater on. You wanna take the temperature down. You wanna have the lights go off or the
Kara Swisher · 50:46
air needed.
Scott Galloway · 50:47
Someone needs to bring it all together because every time I'm in a new place, I'm trying to figure out, like, how do these shitty work?
Kara Swisher · 50:55
I don't even know how those... Like, you have so many things on the wall, and I don't... And they're all very complicated in
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Scott Galloway · 51:00
The heating. Thermostat, the temperature, the... Just everything. And it's all going digital. So someone... Apple has more license and opportunity to bring it all together than anybody else.
Kara Swisher · 51:13
Yeah. I guess. We'll see. It seems like 209, you're not gonna get that much features, but we'll see.
Scott Galloway · 51:17
Also, I want... I... Under the under the notion of... I do think Apple has more credibility around privacy. I would like an Apple device that uses motion detection that when I walk in at night, it knows exactly how to turn my lights on to what to what level that it immediately
Kara Swisher · 51:35
where this is going. Right? It recognizes you.
Scott Galloway · 51:38
And then when I walk into my bedroom and it's after 11PM, it gives me three minutes to get undressed, and then it starts to dim the lights to just... You know?
Kara Swisher · 51:45
All it takes.
Scott Galloway · 51:46
Or or at some point, it'll connect to my... Whatever the mattress is that cools up or down. Maybe voice says, do you wanna wake up tomorrow at 07:30 or whatever? It just... Someone's gonna bring this all together. There's a lot of friction at home that is unnecessary when... And then create one interface. For example, I used to be a member of that thing called Inspirato where you rent homes all over the world. One of the genius moves of Inspirato was it had the same fucking TV remote.
Kara Swisher · 52:16
Oh, yeah. Because
Scott Galloway · 52:17
They just said, learn one remote.
Kara Swisher · 52:20
Right. Yeah. Exactly. Rich
Scott Galloway · 52:21
people. Because I know it's
Kara Swisher · 52:22
hard for you, rich people.
Scott Galloway · 52:23
At my age, I can't figure out how to turn on the TV if I'm in a different place. Think about it when you... I'm... A. I'm not turning on the TV anymore, but with the last time I tried... I wanted to watch the Man City Liverpool game. It... I had to call my 16 year old and say, how do I log into, you know, Sky TV and figure this out? And do we do we have subscription to this? Do we not?
Kara Swisher · 52:44
No. It happens everywhere. I agree. The home is a real is a real place where it's still very friction filled. And I'm just remembering many years ago, every big techie I used to visit would have these elaborate systems, and they wanted to show them to me all the time. Like, I remember one guy, he had this panel. It would be like, this is how you turn on the light, and it was so complex. And I went over to a different panel, and it was an on off switch. I go, oh, look. On, off, on,
Scott Galloway · 53:09
Yeah. Remember those?
Kara Swisher · 53:10
Oh, god. The... I mean, the... This has never worked in the home. I I do not welcome it in my home, but we'll see where it goes. I like the simplicity of of on off switches.
Scott Galloway · 53:21
But it it recognizes up to six people in your household. For me, that's that's my partner, two kids, my dog, and then the three versions of me depending on how much tequila I've had.
Kara Swisher · 53:31
And, of course, Katie Zaccaria, who's gonna be your new best friend.
Scott Galloway · 53:36
It's sad, Scott. It's depressed, Scott.
Kara Swisher · 53:38
Alright. It's sad. They could... They should do your moods. Like, oh, Scott's gonna need this. Let's serve up this and
Scott Galloway · 53:43
stuff like Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 53:44
Yeah. Anyway
Scott Galloway · 53:45
He's going dark.
Kara Swisher · 53:46
It's going dark.
Scott Galloway · 53:46
Bringing the dogs.
Kara Swisher · 53:48
Light... Put the lights up. Bring the dogs. Yeah. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions. Support for this show comes from AG one. October can be a month of big changes in your routine. The season shifts, the light changes, and sometimes your whole rhythm gets thrown off balance, including your diet. So if you feel like you've let some good eating habits go by the wayside, you can get things back on track with AG one. All it takes is one scoop in cold water every morning before anything else. AG one NextGen has 75 plus ingredients, vitamins, minerals, pre and probiotics, and superfoods. It helps you maintain energy while supporting gut health and immune health. That means high quality nutritional support every single day no matter where you start your morning. I use a g one quite a bit. I make smoothies after I work out, and I include a g one in it. It has a range of things, and I mix it a lot with bananas or yogurt or other things. And it's a great way to get these kind of, benefits benefits and and at at the the same same time time enjoy enjoy something I like to drink. So if you're looking to make some changes this season, AG one can help you start and stick to them. Go to drinkag1.com/pivot for a limited time. Get free immune support bundle, including a bottle of omega three fish oil and a bottle of vitamin d three k two with your first subscription order of a g one next gen or a g one pro. That's drinkag1.com/pivot.
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Kara Swisher · 55:48
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Scott Galloway · 57:34
Yeah. I think this thing sends the stock up, you know, 5% or whatever. And it's it's an incredible product demo. It breaks the zero to 60 claim. The zero to 60 claim breaks the Internet. The stock pops, and no one... Not one paying customer has a roadster in their driveway by the end of twenty twenty seven. He doesn't sell cars. He kinda sells the future on layaway. There's never been an engineer that's able to manufacture so much.
Kara Swisher · 58:04
He's a flimflammer.
Scott Galloway · 58:06
I mean, he's just... He's he's PT Barnum. He literally... Yeah. He's the ultimate carnival barker, and it's resulted in a business strategy where he gets access to cheaper capital to pull the future forward and results in an an ability to launch... Be responsible for 93% of the payload launches, which, the way, is incredible, and there's real engineering.
Kara Swisher · 58:22
Can I say nobody who wants a Roadster can afford a Roadster, and everybody else just wants a good electric car? They just want the Well, the
Scott Galloway · 58:28
problem, you know, I have a Cybertruck, and the problem is all the bitches that wanna get in when I stop at a stop sign
Kara Swisher · 58:33
because, you know Zacharia. That's exactly who rides in a Cybertruck with It's a Cybertruck. Zacharia.
Scott Galloway · 58:38
And so, you know, people want in.
Kara Swisher · 58:40
She's the only woman you could lure into that.
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Scott Galloway · 58:43
Comedian named Dan D'Cino or someone. If someone tells me, and I'll I'll reference him correctly, it's hilarious. Look. Mine mine is I'm I'm gonna cheat because we didn't... Because you were off with secretary Clinton cheating on me. We didn't have wins and fails. I've been using all of this news and my outlet for it as I try and turn it into, I don't wanna call it a lesson, but a talking point for me and my boys. And I've been thinking a lot about what's going on in some of the headlines. And it's like, okay. The media, universities, fraternities, live executions. And I'm saying, okay. I'm I'm... What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna try and distill all of it down to a lesson which may be wrong because I have never done anything in my life that I'm more insecure about than parenting. And I talk to my sons about it as a means of a conversation, and, hopefully, some of it resonates and some of it's right and some of it helps me do what I'm supposed to do, and that is prepare my sons for others. And my fail is I think that we have normalized being really critical of of women's looks. And I'm a sexist here, and that is regardless of how many subscriptions to The Atlantic or The New York Times you have, for thousands of years, we have evaluated women and men based on their fertility and their power, respectively. Our job as a species is to propagate. And so we look at women through the lens of cues for their fertility, high cheekbones, thick hair, porcelain skin, wide hips, big breasts. We look for features of fertility that, quote, unquote, make them, from a very anthropological perspective, fertile. And then we look at men as protectors of young, their power, and as we... As a society evolves to more capitalist society, basically how much money they make. So when you insult a woman's looks, you're really going at the core. You're really cutting to something very instinctively hurtful, more so than a man. And when you insult... Let me flip it. You would never say about a man, or you... I never see it, dude, you are so lazy and competent and stupid. You will never be able to develop the economic power to take care of a family. You will not allow to... You will not be able to procreate because you are such a weak, irresponsible, undisciplined man. You will never get to procreate because you are so ineffectual in the world. To say that to a man would be so puncturing and ugly that people don't say it. But when we have podcasters saying that her claims of assault have less veracity because she's unattractive. Yeah. Speaking about Jane Doe.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:40
You're talking about Megyn Kelly.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:42
When when people are comfortable posting memes of a billionaire's wife
Kara Swisher · 1:01:48
This is Susan Dell.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:50
It's just... So anyways, I'm gonna take this forward. I talked to my boys about it, and I said, look. I I think the most accretive thing we could do in the history of the world would be fathers who are much more engaged in their children's lives. And what I've said to my boys, and we talk about it, I said there's two doors with respect to women's looks. Door one is she looks great in terms of any evaluation of another... Of a woman's looks. Door one, she looks great. It's okay to say that someone looks great, even hot if you want. I'm down with that. That they dress well. They look great. They look great. Door two is nothing, and there is no door three.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:30
Yeah. I would agree. I think... Let me ask you. Like, let me press on that, though, a little bit. Like, look. A lot of these MAGA women or women have done... And men too, by the way, FYI, significant, surgeries, and it's hard to ignore. What what do you do? Do you just ignore? You just say ignore it. Because some of them are... It's like it's jarring in in many ways, whether it's a... I'm not even gonna name the names. There's a lot of them. And so... And the changes are significant. Is that totally off base? Or... Because since people are doing it themselves and publicly appearing, so it's a it's a really great debate, but I agree with you. It got really... Both of the things got very ugly very fast in a way that's just puerile. Right? Just same way Sean Gill... Shane Gillis was. Same thing. It's just it's just dumb. But there are moments where you're like, well, can you ignore it? Let me ask you that, I guess.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:27
I think mocking a guy like Bezos, who I think looks good for his filler
Kara Swisher · 1:03:33
Mhmm.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:33
I think there's a lot of sunlight between that and having thriller videos and showing a billionaire's wife is a a ghoul over and over.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:41
I just I agree.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:43
Okay. If you wanna make fun of Nicole Kidman, she looks amazing. Every every star, and I'm starting to believe that almost every wealthy person at some point will have Botox or more. Why? Because they can. But there's a lot of sunlight between that, a famous person, and the wife of somebody who, quite frankly, didn't ask to be famous. And just just... It's just dragging her.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:07
Yeah. It was real distaste.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:08
And then the notion the notion that, you know, a a a victim... And I am comfortable calling Jane Doe a victim. She's a victim of something. We can have arguments over the legality of it. She's a victim. You don't say that she's less of a victim because she's not attractive. It's just... You would never... If a man was raped in prison accusing people, you wouldn't say, oh, it's unlikely he was raped because he's not good looking.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:34
Right. No. Megan Kelly has taken the most heinous turn on this, well, on everything.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:39
My point is just as I... I'm I'm trying to think, okay. Everyone has a fucking opinion, and I'm like, okay. Well, how do you narrow the opinion or the delta between your opinions and actually doing something? And I look at it through the lens of being a dad. A fairly basic lesson, I think. There is a different standard for women. You do not reference a woman's looks unless it's positive. Full stop. You just don't.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:01
Alright. Well, that's Just don't
Scott Galloway · 1:05:02
go there. No reason to. No upside.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:04
This is a very good thing to talk to your kids about. It really is. It's really hard because it is hard to not see and say, and I think people have to exercise much more, civility in that regard. And I agree. It's gone far too far with Susan Tell. One thing that has not gone far too far. Have you seen this video of Jamie West? She's an Indiana Democrat running for county council seat. She appeared on a local TV forum and appeared to be having a nice evening with possibly some tequila.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:32
Oh god. That was great. You forwarded that to me. I know. I I know.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:37
Know? I mean, I noticed that she was she was so... Ugh. I just wanna talk to the Democrats. And by the way, we got guns. I was like, I just I... She's a legend. I'm sorry. But she looked great. Let me
Scott Galloway · 1:05:49
floater in my daiquiri.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:51
She looked great. Let me say it was fat women. That was... I don't know why that, like
Scott Galloway · 1:05:57
There was real joy. Also, that representative who crashed out after his debate. Oh, like,
Kara Swisher · 1:06:02
I got Andy Harris from... He's always been crazy. That was date me.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:06
That was good.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:07
Yes. You can.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:08
This is a two party fake. It's a public forum and a public environment, and you're reporters, but I have not agreed to you filming me.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:14
He's... He he... Jamie Raskin, let me say, if you wanna go find it, anybody did a great takedown of it. Like, that guy has has been insane for many years, and he just always yelling at people. He's always like, ah. And that was, like, a particularly yelly yell. Anyway, we'll see how it goes. We're gonna have more because election day is coming up soon. We wanna hear from you on anything you wanna talk about. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot. Just submit a question for the show or call 85551 This Sunday in your feed, a Pivot Extra Scott's professor g conversation with Heather Cox Richardson about Trump's corruption, Iran's impact on the average American, and how history helps us predict the next chapter of our democracy. Scott is classing it up with another smart woman, which is really great. And reminder, Scott and I are hitting the road in just a few weeks for Pivot Tour twenty twenty six. Get your tickets at pivottour.com. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and be sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back next week.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:14
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