Kara Swisher · 52:28
All tech, like, except if they work for w... The Worldwide Wrestling Organization or something like that. Something has happened to so many of them, and their love of conspiracy theories, it's like they... They've they've smoked their own dope a little too long, and it's laced with fentanyl or something.
Scott Galloway · 52:45
I think there's still people.
Kara Swisher · 52:46
There are.
Scott Galloway · 52:47
Marc Benioff. There's... Brian Chesky is offering places for people to stay.
Kara Swisher · 52:51
There's something at the top here of these, you know, this Detroit It's the loudest ones.
Scott Galloway · 52:55
I don't think it's most of them. I think it's the loudest ones.
Kara Swisher · 52:57
Okay. Alright. I've heard
Scott Galloway · 52:58
And I don't even think Bezos has embraced conspiracy theory. What I just don't get I just don't get is I have 1%, point 1% of the wealth of these guys. And I have enough money that I can live an amazing life and, like, try and finally, after forty five years of being an uber capitalist and focusing on three things, me, me, and fucking me, I can start actually, like, being a real man.
Kara Swisher · 53:26
You are a real man.
Scott Galloway · 53:27
Like, where are the men here? Why would you aggregate a 110,000,000,000 if you couldn't say, no. I'm not gonna give money to your inaugural campaign, whether You wanna put me in jail? Try it, boss.
Kara Swisher · 53:41
I know.
Scott Galloway · 53:42
You want me to let unfettered hate on my platform? No. I don't do that. I protect people. I have a pair of fucking testicles. I protect people. I don't I don't get it. What I
Kara Swisher · 53:56
don't get, and this is the one part, and this is a personal message for me, is all of you have children. And, Mark, you have three daughters. You are not a good parent right now to your daughters. What you're doing is reprehensible to your children. And I hope you... You're gonna regret what you're doing right now and the words that are coming out of your mouth for reasons... I don't know. Get off social media. Get off of interviews. Everything you say seems stupider and stupider, and it's it's it's shameful what you're doing, especially... You know, if you had sons, I think it's shameful, but it's particularly shameful when you have three daughters. It just is. I just... I can't even begin. And Elon Musk forget it how he talks about trans people as a trans daughter. Just focus on your families maybe a little more and less on your on your gold chains and your haircuts and whatever the fuck else you wanna do. Anyway, we'll take one more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.
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Kara Swisher · 56:42
Okay, Scott. Let's hear some wins and fails. Would you like to go first?
Scott Galloway · 56:46
Sure. I'll go first. I just have a win. My win is the aerial firefighters. This is... These pilots risk their lives flying at low altitudes in smoky, turbulent conditions, often in mountainous terrain to help protect communities and natural resources. Their work, Hera, is both highly skilled and incredibly dangerous. You wanna talk about masculine energy? Incredibly skilled, highly dangerous work in the service of others without any expectation of recognition. They have air tankers, retrofitted DC-10s. I love those converted airliners. I used to go look at those at LAX with my father when I was a kid. C-one 130 Hercules, Bombardier CL-415s, are amphibious water scoopers. Those things are beautiful They the fun. Way
Kara Swisher · 57:37
Aren't they?
Scott Galloway · 57:37
They hover. They skim across the water. Helicopter pilots in the Sikorsky S-seventy Firehawks or Bell-two twelve's, where there probably are more female pilots is in the spotter and lead planes that help identify and spot the exact location for the retardants to be expectorated. The wildfire operations coordinators, there's a ton of people figuring out how to make this successful and load the retardants and use AI and an incredibly complex navigation system. Can you imagine how dangerous it is to have all of these aircraft in and around LA flying at 200 miles an hour? It's amazing they haven't hit each other. Most of them have a military background. Many aerial firefighter pilots are former military aviators, particularly from the Air Force or Navy, given their experience with large aircraft and challenging conditions. A lot have civilian experience. Others come from civilian aviation backgrounds with additional specialized training and low altitude, high stress flight operations.
Kara Swisher · 58:40
May I interject? There's a movie that you will like, Scott. It's called Always, and it's with Richard Dreyfus and Holly Hunter, along with Audrey Hepburn. And it's a 1989 film about an aerial firefighter who risks his life in, fighting forest fires. And
Scott Galloway · 58:55
That's interesting.
Kara Swisher · 58:56
It's... You should watch it. He be... He does not make it, but it's all about that. And it's a wonderful movie. John Goodman's in it. I think you would... You need to watch that tonight if you can. It's called Always nineteen eighty nine. I love this movie. It's a wonderful movie, and it's about just this topic. And there's a lot of technical stuff in it about aerial fight... Firefighting, which is really incredibly hard, astonishingly risk taking, and for the service of others, as you said.
Scott Galloway · 59:25
And then they require specific certification. The pilots must meet strict Federal Aviation Administration, or the FAA, or equivalent regulatory standards and complete training for water retardant drops, fire behavior
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Kara Swisher · 59:38
Yep. They test emergency and
Scott Galloway · 59:39
maneuvers. Do And I'm I'm telling you my prediction. I'll go to a prediction. The Pacific Palisades in five years is gonna be one of the nicest neighborhoods in America. When they rebuild... I mean, a, it's a gorgeous... I used to go to Palisades High School when I was at uni for basketball games. The Palisades is spectacular.
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Kara Swisher · 59:58
Spectacular.
Scott Galloway · 59:59
And when you have the ability... This is an opportunity for Los Angeles to not only rethink what happened here.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:04
Mixed use would be great because there was... There were mobile homes and middle class homes and really rich homes there. That was what I found real... I mean, they all... Prices went up for all of them, but, boy, was that a mixed environment. Didn't you find that? That was always surprising to me.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:18
Anyways, my win are the aerial... The brave aerial firefighters and the support staff. They are really doing just outstanding work, and it's also it's just such a, when you think about what is great about our species, our ability to cooperate, our technology, and in the face of all that technology and prosperity, there are a lot of people who still decide to take very aggressive risks. They could use that certification to fly 787s between here and New York and make a good living, and instead, they get in a fucking plane and hover at two forty miles an hour at an altitude of 10 feet, expectorate this shit in an exact area, and then pull up with about a one second margin of error, and nobody even meets these people. No one has any idea. Anyways, that's my win.
Kara Swisher · 1:01:12
Can you please watch this movie? It's all about how they do it and how they do drops and how they train drops. And it's really... I know so much about aerial firefighting from this movie. You will love it, you will cry at the end like a little little little lady. You... Well, like a little man, because men cry, everybody. Masculine energy is about crying too. My win, is the justice department has released a report correcting the flawed record on the Tulsa race massacre of nineteen twenty one. I am so thrilled they did it before Trump gotten off because he would have quashed it, confirming it was not just mob violence, but a coordinated military style attack to ruin what was one of the wealthiest black communities in The US. I read the whole report. It's, this is a topic I... This incident was so hidden for so long, and it's gotten a lot of press in the recent years. And there's been some cases about reparations and everything else, but what happened here was heinous. This was a thriving, economically smart, fast forward, wealthiest black community in The US that they decimated. And I'll tell you the pictures look... They they burnt it down. They burnt it down, and it was over a unclear, situation between a black man and a white woman. And, obviously, which all these things start like that. But I recommend reading it, and I I commend the justice department for releasing the report, especially now, before that. So that's, you know, my win. I think my fail is these billionaires, and they're... You know what? You have the most money of anyone in the history of the planet, and you're miserable people, and you don't bring anything but misery on people. You do not help people. Stop, stop, you know, peacocking around. You are tiny, small men right now, and it could... You couldn't be smaller. And you have the opportunity. When when Elon Musk attacked, Mackenzie Scott, Jeff Bezos' ex wife, for being a danger or or Melinda Gates for being a danger. That's what they do. You know what Mackenzie Scott did? She doubled her giving. She gambled. What a... That's what masculine energy is or whatever they wanna call it.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:16
And by the way, that is that is masculine energy.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:18
Yeah. That's correct.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:20
And I I always feel as if I need an asterisk here. A lot of men, including myself and my closest friends, demonstrate wonderful femininity, nurturing, more thoughtful, more measured, more protected. And a lot of women demonstrate fantastic masculine energy. The only the only kind of caveat I would put to what you're saying is there are a lot of billionaires in LA and in tech who are trying to do the right thing. Right away, Brian Chesky came out with a program that said, if you need a place to live, go on our platform or a place to stay, and we're gonna help you.
Kara Swisher · 1:03:54
Yep. For free. He did it before. He did that before in many other cases.
Scott Galloway · 1:03:57
It's the opportunists, and and opportunists go up and down the income stack. But when you start saying DEI is a die or asking the governor to resign because it's a threat to your vice president in 2028 and creating conspiracy theory and letting conspiracy run amok. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to weaponize or take over your fill.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:18
You can take it. I... Let me just say, you know what you should do, Mark? Get off fucking Joe Rogan and write a check. Just write a check. 100%. Shit. Just write a check. Shut up. We don't need any more of your outfits or your chains. Write a check. Keep your mouth shut, and stop being such an endless pathetic, whatever you happen to be. Write a check. That's what we want from you, and that's all we want. Otherwise, keep it to yourself. Go get a therapist and apologize to your daughters at this... As soon as possible. Anyway, that's the show. We'll be back on Friday for more.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:52
The indignant podcast. Jesus Christ.
Kara Swisher · 1:04:54
I know. But let me just... I am. Because I have masculine fucking energy, and I don't like people taking it to
Scott Galloway · 1:04:59
I agree.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:00
Which one of us has more masculine energy? You were right.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:02
That's an easy one. It's the woman who stayed here all weekend. It was the squatter here, literally. I see brute aftershave and, like, and, like, armpit hair everywhere in my bathroom right now.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:13
Scott will cry at the drop of a fucking hat. And I do not. So let's just say we know of what we speak here, and we represent it. And those of us with masculine energy would like you all to shut the
Scott Galloway · 1:05:24
fuck up.
Kara Swisher · 1:05:25
That's what I would say. Read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:27
Today's show is produced by Lara Nayman, Zoe Margus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Intertodd engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows, miss Severio, and Dan Shulan. Nishat Kerwa is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine n1mag.com/pod. We'll be back later this week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. My big unlock this week was recognizing calling and asking if you can help. It's not the right thing to do. It's just helping. Just doing it. Send money. Here's a picture of the room that you... I want you to come stay at out of harm's way. I am taking your kids. Drop off food. Don't ask to help. Just help.
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