Kara Swisher · 36:07
Yeah. Know it. He's he's a lot.
Scott Galloway · 36:09
He's a lot. The one where he tie... Where he says enter into the chaos monkey cage of entrepreneurship. Is that the one?
Kara Swisher · 36:15
I don't remember. Anyway, they... Apple said, Apple, we've always strived to create an inclusive welcoming workplace where everyone is respected and accepted. Behavior that demeans or discriminates against people and who they are is no place here. I just am like, did you not read... I literally had him on the podcast. People have written about this.
Scott Galloway · 36:32
That's bad. Look.
Kara Swisher · 36:33
He's an interesting character. He also has written appalling and horrible things, and they should have
Speaker · 36:37
read it the
Kara Swisher · 36:38
making decision. He was gonna work in the App Store and app news advertising team.
Scott Galloway · 36:43
And have they already backtracked and not even listened to the offer?
Kara Swisher · 36:46
According to nine to five Mac, yes. Yes.
Scott Galloway · 36:50
Heard him on Monday. Be clear, I think there's a lot of very talented people at Facebook that should go on to have outstanding careers at other firms.
Kara Swisher · 36:56
Yeah. Yeah. I just have can't... I think this is an apple pie. It isn't... Look. He is what he is, and he... They shouldn't have done that like this. He'll, of course, become a cancel culture warrior now, an anti cancel culture, but he already was. But here we
Scott Galloway · 37:10
still in that statement. That's pretty rough.
Kara Swisher · 37:12
Yeah. He is.
Speaker · 37:13
It's not
Scott Galloway · 37:13
really rough. It's pretty stupid.
Kara Swisher · 37:14
The book is full of Full of it. He and I had this most testy of interviews, although he's quite brilliant in many ways
Scott Galloway · 37:19
I'm turning you in for shells. Are I shotgun shells?
Kara Swisher · 37:22
Jerry, I would sell you for a jerry can of diesel, my friend.
Speaker · 37:25
I'm sorry I if I had get it. I would
Kara Swisher · 37:27
take down Scott Galloway for... I would for I would a Snickers bar. If I... If we were in a situation and I needed a Snickers bar, you would
Speaker · 37:34
It is a great snack.
Kara Swisher · 37:36
Ladies, here he is. He's yours. Or men or whatever. I would sell you to anybody for a for a Snickers bar. That's what would happen. So just so you know. Anyway
Scott Galloway · 37:44
Twitter... Just just so we're clear, Twitter knows you love
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Scott Galloway · 37:50
you say that, everyone's like, that's just not true.
Kara Swisher · 37:52
I wouldn't sell you for a payday, but I'd sell you for a Snickers bar.
Scott Galloway · 37:55
Anyway Remember that?
Kara Swisher · 37:56
Okay, Scott. Let's move on to listener mail. Roll the tape.
Scott Galloway · 37:59
You've got you've got I can't believe I'm gonna be a mailman. You've got mail.
Speaker · 38:03
Hey, Karen, Scott. It's Matthew here from Melbourne. The question I have is around the humanitarian crisis, which is unfolding in India right now. By now, I haven't seen that much commentary around the impact that it's gonna have on India's ICT industry, given that it actually runs the back office for a lot of large organisations in the world, such as Goldman Sachs and Standard Chartered. I was wondering what your thoughts would be. Cheers. Bye.
Kara Swisher · 38:28
Cheers. I love Melbourne. It's one of my favorite cities.
Scott Galloway · 38:31
Melbourne, the tagline. San Francisco, but less shitty.
Kara Swisher · 38:34
Yes. It's such a great city. It is. It is. Looks like San Francisco.
Scott Galloway · 38:37
It feels very San Francisco y.
Kara Swisher · 38:38
It is. It's a lovely city. I've had such a nice time there with my sons. So this is interesting. This is an important thing. This... India is a critical part of the technology stack of our world and everything else. Mhmm. And not just back office. They do a lot of innovations. There's... You know, India is not just the back office of the rest of technology, although there's a lot of that. But it does do that. And so it's a real... It it it is interesting to wonder what is gonna be the effect. I haven't seen much coverage of this. The same thing with Tel Aviv and tech as the war escalates in... When Palestine and Israel. This is... These are these are major tech centers for for for lots... For a global, you know, global global system, India particularly. So, you know, it'll be an... It'll be interesting to see what happens. It happened when China, at the beginning of the of the pandemic. We are so globally interconnected from a tech point of view. It's a good question. Scott?
Scott Galloway · 39:31
I think there's just an enormous opportunity. I think one of the most visionary moves of the twentieth century, and we don't recognize or acknowledge how much peace and prosperity it has kept and catalyzed, was that we made this visionary, generous, bold investment in our enemies, and that is we borrowed money and rebuilt Japan and Germany. And I think there's a geopolitical move here.
Kara Swisher · 39:52
You said this.
Scott Galloway · 39:53
Unprecedented opportunity. India is about to become the swing vote for the world economically, politically. It's an incredible nation, more PhDs than any other nation in the world, English speaking. It is a democracy. I love the way you put it. That's an important part of the tech stack. I'm gonna use that. I think that's a brilliant way to summarize how important India has become. I think we are now starting to play offense. We had the lowest infection rates in the last year yesterday, which is just wonderful food, wonderful news. I think an incredible opportunity for us. We have been playing defense for the last four years because of all these self inflicted wounds would be for us to say, we are gonna go on the offense here, and we're gonna use our incredible supply chain, our innovation, and our generosity, and we are gonna storm the shores of India with Americans and with vaccine. And then if they want it, we're gonna do the same thing in Brazil. These are the two nations that right now are incurring the most death, disease, and disabilities. They they think there's literally probably millions of infections every day, and they think at some point, there might be a hundred thousand plus deaths a day in India. This should be an opportunity for us to do the right thing, marshal our resources,
Kara Swisher · 41:05
marshal our courage. Affected there, the entire society. And and then it has iterations all around the world. It's in our self interest to do so.
Scott Galloway · 41:13
100%.
Speaker · 41:14
It's an opportunity.
Kara Swisher · 41:15
Moty, boy, is he he was so powerful. He looks like this is...
Scott Galloway · 41:18
Yeah. Looks terrible now. Looks I terrible
Kara Swisher · 41:20
don't... It's really...
Scott Galloway · 41:21
We're trying to figure
Kara Swisher · 41:22
out how to do something here. But, know, the guy who does the vaccine, I think it's called the Serum Institute there, sort of escaped to India... Excuse me, to London, the the the CEO, and is saying, oh, I'm coming back, but, know, he's under a lot of pressure. He was supposed to be rolling out this vaccine. But it's a it's a... They were just woefully underprepared here in terms of things. And even in this country, even though we still have issues, it's getting better and better and better in lots of states. And it's really... It is an opportunity for us. It's an opportunity, especially India, which is a critical company... A country to the to the world economics and especially in tech. There's four countries that are the sort of the linchpins of this, and it's The US, obviously, China, India, and, and Israel. And so we have to think really hard about this. I... There's no... I'm not even gonna start going down the Israel Israel Palestine road. That's a that's a very different situation. But here, we can actually affect change in a really meaningful way. I think you're right. I think you're right.
Scott Galloway · 42:24
Look. We we saved... We we showed tremendous courage and bravery and resources and and, you know, just brilliance, logistical brilliance when we we storm the shores of Normandy. We should storm the shores of India and Brazil right now with vaccine and volunteers and healthcare professionals and capital and create and really strengthen and cement those those alliances in Latin America and in the Near East. This is a huge opportunity for us to do the right thing, but also to do the smart thing in terms of cementing cementing alliances. I think it's a huge opportunity for us. We're in a position now to start get... We're really in a position now, and this is incredibly exciting news, to get off our heels and onto our toes and join hands with other people across the world and do what we do because we are Americans.
Kara Swisher · 43:13
Yeah. I agree. I agree. I think it's really important. Okay. One more quick break, and we'll be back for predictions. I want a good prediction, Scott. I really want a good prediction from you.
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— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 44:14
Okay. We're back for predictions, the weekend of the pawn is prediction for the days and weeks ahead. Can I? Before you start, I would like to offer our condolences to, senator Amy Klobuchar, who's recently on the show. Her father died, yesterday, and she had a great, statement about him. He was actually a journalist, and he he he he he had Alzheimer's. It was after a long struggle with Alzheimer's that he died. And she said, even to the end, as he lived the final chapter of his life with Alzheimer's, he was still singing songs and telling incredible stories to my sister, Megan, and me. Klobuchar said he loved our state. He loved journalism. He loved sports and adventure, and we loved him. I thought that was lovely.
Scott Galloway · 44:52
Lovely. I I didn't know that. I Yeah. You know, first thing that pops into mind is it must have been a source of just tremendous comfort for him to have such an impressive daughter.
Kara Swisher · 45:00
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. It was... And she was a columnist. I think she's... I am... I'm having increasing amounts of respect for this senator, I have to say. I think she handles herself rather well and has really... As we've gotten to know her, has been a really interesting political figure. It's interesting to think of her and Liz Cheney as sort of running against each other in some fashion, presenting different visions of our country, but at the same time, really interesting. Anyway, your prediction. I predict she's gonna run for president again and possibly have a lot of a lot of success. Alright.
Scott Galloway · 45:31
So in the next... I always get the timing wrong. I was going say the next seven days, I'll broaden it to the next thirty days. The SEC or regulatory agency is going to initiate action or announce scrutiny around market manipulation as it relates to cryptocurrencies. They may not even use Elon Musk's name, but it'll be clear who they're talking about. This is unhealthy. It's created insecurity in the markets. And the SEC is sort of, I think at this point been like, okay, you know, at some point when someone keeps mocking us and keeps waving their middle finger in our face, we've got to do something. We're gonna see action. What we also could see, because this individual is fearless and has shown an ability to create markets in crypto, we may see a Tesla coin or a Musk coin or a Musk backed or endorsed coin. Interesting. Because Elon Musk, like all these innovators, is very good at keeping score. They all wake up in the morning and they say, hello, wealthiest man in the history of the universe. Yep. And I think he sees an opportunity, and this is unfortunate, but I think Elon Musk could probably increase his wealth 10 to $50,000,000,000 in six months by You launching kept
Kara Swisher · 46:46
thinking an Amazon coin was coming out.
Scott Galloway · 46:48
Well, supposedly they're experimenting with that in in Mexico. But there is crypto market manipulation, SEC is about to become much more prevalent in the news in the next thirty days.
Kara Swisher · 47:01
He's good at outrunning them, though. I'll tell you that.
Speaker · 47:03
He's good.
Kara Swisher · 47:03
Yeah. He's real good at outrunning We'll see.
Scott Galloway · 47:06
It's a fair point.
Kara Swisher · 47:07
I don't know. We'll see. He's a he's a very compelling public figure in negative and positive ways. Anyway, that's a good that's a good one. Okay. We're gonna gonna stick... I'm gonna write that one down. I'll put that on
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 47:16
my little
Kara Swisher · 47:17
book of Scott predictions.
Scott Galloway · 47:19
There you go.
Kara Swisher · 47:20
And if you if you become more valuable than a Snickers bar, I'll let you know. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 47:24
Cherry can of diesel.
Speaker · 47:25
Cherry can of diesel. I trade
Scott Galloway · 47:27
you in for a Snickers for a Snickers.
Kara Swisher · 47:30
I... You know, he was probably getting, but what an what an asshole to do that. I mean, whatever. Whatever. You know what? He wrote it.
Speaker · 47:37
He
Scott Galloway · 47:37
Our wrote producer our producer bought bought some Dogecoin, and now she's like, her emotions
Kara Swisher · 47:42
Yeah. Rebecca, how you feel?
Scott Galloway · 47:44
How do you feel, Rebecca? What... How do you feel about this?
Speaker · 47:46
How do
Speaker · 47:46
you feel about your Doge? Ugh. Miserable. Miserable.
Kara Swisher · 47:50
Miserable. We told you not to.
Speaker · 47:53
I know. I know. I I mean, like, look. I didn't put that much into it, but It's still money. I... It's still money, and, like, I can't believe... You know, on the show, we've talked a lot about, and Scott talks a lot about Robin Hood's effect on, you know, young men's emotions. And suddenly, I'm looking at the Robin Hood app like, buy, sell, trade. Yeah. Why... You know, like, it's... It is. I I get it. Stay away from those
Scott Galloway · 48:19
things. Well, the thing is, Rebecca, you can take some consolation in knowing that the people who own and run and benefit from your usage of Robinhood are mendacious fucks.
Speaker · 48:29
Love to hear that.
Scott Galloway · 48:30
So you got that going for you.
Speaker · 48:32
You listen
Scott Galloway · 48:33
to Robin
Kara Swisher · 48:33
and daddy
Scott Galloway · 48:34
on this one. You of Robinhood. Log off of Robinhood. Tend your wallet.
Kara Swisher · 48:38
At it.
Scott Galloway · 48:39
Log on to public. No margin. No options. 40% women investing, not trading.
Speaker · 48:44
80 to 95% of people who
Scott Galloway · 48:45
day trade lose money.
Kara Swisher · 48:47
You can listen to a podcast I did with its CEO this week.
Scott Galloway · 48:50
How'd that go? Well, why
Kara Swisher · 48:51
don't you listen to it? Why don't you invest in our relationship?
Scott Galloway · 48:53
Jesus Christ. Because you read... You do... You listen to anything I do? Yes. Literally anything I do?
Kara Swisher · 48:59
No. I don't. But that's besides the point.
Scott Galloway · 49:01
By the way, did you see my no mercy no malice blog last week was literally on how Elon Musk has too much influence specifically over crypto
Kara Swisher · 49:08
it happened. You've been
Scott Galloway · 49:10
saying And I said if he pushed... I did some analysis. Do you realize if Elon Musk's activities have pushed Bitcoin up over $4,500, that probably wipes out all the energy savings of every Tesla on the road. Anyway
Kara Swisher · 49:23
just say. He's like a successful Trump in many ways. Anyway, alright. Don't forget if you have a story in the news and you wanna hear our opinion or submit your questions at nymag.com/pivot. Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 49:35
Today's show was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Ernie Intertaut engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. If you're an Android user, check us out on Spotify or, frankly, wherever you listen to podcasts. If you liked our show, please recommend to a friend. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. Your mom and dad will not be around forever. Leave nothing unsaid. Leave nothing unsaid.
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