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Kara Swisher · 39:48
Okay, Scott. Let's hear a prediction, but I have a short one. I hear you're gonna go on The View to my sources.
Scott Galloway · 39:54
Oh, you got me on The View? That's all
Kara Swisher · 39:56
you. Did.
Scott Galloway · 39:56
Yeah. That's all you. Yeah. Me see. Farrah? Does she like my matter in Nantucket?
Kara Swisher · 40:00
I'm not telling you I have my sources. Let me just tell you something. Don't look at joy in the eyes.
Scott Galloway · 40:05
Don't look joy in the eyes?
Kara Swisher · 40:06
Yeah. Don't look joy in the eyes. She's gonna lock eyes
Scott Galloway · 40:08
in eye.
Kara Swisher · 40:09
No. I don't think so.
Scott Galloway · 40:11
Oh, no. I'm like, all the all the... Isn't she Jewish? All the Jews love me now.
Kara Swisher · 40:14
Yeah. Okay.
Scott Galloway · 40:15
I'm like a moderate, like, that's angry about everything, and they're like, thank you for your support.
Kara Swisher · 40:20
Anyway, you're going on the view.
Scott Galloway · 40:22
Very good. Bahar? Is that it?
Kara Swisher · 40:23
Yeah. Bahar. Just can't wait
Scott Galloway · 40:25
to meet Elizabeth Hasselback and Cindy McCain. They're still on the show.
Kara Swisher · 40:28
Right? Cindy McCain.
Scott Galloway · 40:29
Cindy McCain?
Kara Swisher · 40:30
No. Megan McCain was on. Megan Don't don't mention Megan McCain. Cindy McCain.
Scott Galloway · 40:34
Me give
Kara Swisher · 40:34
you that piece of advice. Megan McCain. They run that place so well. You're gonna
Scott Galloway · 40:38
Oh, I'm sure it's a great show.
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Kara Swisher · 40:39
Anyway, let's hear a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 40:41
My prediction is that we're gonna find out that there's a reason that the tents in encampment at NYU were the same tents at Columbia and other schools. There is a Outsiders. Oh, this... There's some serious coordination and funding going on here, and I don't think we're gonna like who's coordinating and funding these things. I think there's a lot more than meets the eye here. I also think that we've moved into the, okay. Playtime is over. I think the universities, their leadership, the community, the governors have said, okay.
Kara Swisher · 41:18
Vandalism is different than
Scott Galloway · 41:19
free speech. Said peaceful protests, have at it, proud legacy. Kids deserve a wide berth. But anything starting to resemble intimidating, like, type of intimidation and her real physical harassment we've seen, we're done. Playtime's over. And I think you're gonna see I think you're gonna see... And you're already seeing it. I think it's gonna go from hundreds to thousands of arrests, suspensions, and expulsions. And, also, I've got a lot of shit for this. I think you're gonna start to see faculty get fired because we have, for some reason, decided to give faculty and administrators the illusion that you do not have a responsibility to your employer to make it a healthy, productive work environment. And also, when we pay you, unlike students paying us, when we pay you, it sucks to be a grown up. And if you are doing anything that makes the university environment so difficult that we can't have commencement, that you are making things more hostile in a public... In a in a in a a community space here at school, they're often not public places. If you are making my life harder and I am the leadership here, then guess what? You have the rights to free speech. You have the rights to First Amendment. We cannot prosecute you, but we can fire you. You are an at will employee unless you have tenure. And by the way, these places have become so bloated, so entitled that I think you're gonna start to see universities say, let me get this. You're down, making down there, making things worse, and I'm supposed to not fire you because of, quote, unquote, fear. Go into the lobby or the the office park of Mastercard or Walmart and start screaming free free Palestine or, god, who cares? Save the whales and make this a less productive work environment. You have the right. I have the right to fire you. You're gonna see... I I think the public is really fed up with this, and I think we're gonna find that some of the funding and coordination here is not innocent. It's not gonna be who we we... The worm is turning here. And in a weird way in a weird way, I think this has been really good for Israel. In every movement that's been effective, you've had a great spokesperson. What spokesperson other than the young woman demanding that they cater food in the building they're occupying? By the way, the revolution will be catered.
Kara Swisher · 43:45
That was not great. That was not great.
Scott Galloway · 43:48
Who has been able to articulate anything resembling a sane, reasonable position on, for these protesters. They
Kara Swisher · 43:55
lack it. Interesting. There was a professor on Stephanie Rule's show last night, and I'm blanking. He runs an... He's an Israeli studies professor. I think it's at UCLA. And he he was not... And she's like, you're not supporting the protesters. And he says, you know what? I'm a very reasonable, moderate... More than moderate, very progressive person, and I'm horrified by what's happening in Gaza and the, the brutality. And he said at the same time, the things they're asking for, one, divestment, which is very hard to do, and two, that you should you should limit academic, you should ban Israeli professors and Israeli exchanges at these universities because I'm for academic freedom, so I cannot sign on to their ridiculous demands of this kind of stuff. Now what's interesting at other universities, they've started to have discussions, right, actual... Which is perfectly fine. Everybody in a university setting should have discussions and debates and things like that. And I think that's what's... It's interesting that in some schools, it is working. That that dialogue is working, which I think is a good thing. And other schools, it it degenerates into violence. And... Although I do think the media is overdoing the violence a little bit. You know? I... Like, come on. Like, it's... I I was at one thing that was reported, and I was like, this was not a big deal. It wasn't as tense as people thought. And some of them certainly are. So I just think it just... It's like there was one point when there was one sort of crazy person from outside, and they kept saying they... This represents the the protesters. And inside, it was different than outside. It was... It's a very difficult reporting assignment, I think. But at the same time, I think the the the vandalism, the photos, the asking for catering, you're right. It was... You know? It seems like... Do you want dialogue, or do you want just to continue this? And I think that's... People are... People don't love chaos over an extended period of time.
Scott Galloway · 45:52
I got an email, of course, not signed anonymous, saying you're a progenocide, self promoting professor. Emails about you too. And, you know, you... Oh, and you're you're a dummy professor. Clinical professors are not real professors. And I just typed in the email into Google, and I found out it's a professor at the University of Texas Rio Grande Valley. So I wrote back to him and said, why are you hiding behind an anonymous email? We can have a productive dialogue. I get it right all the time.
Kara Swisher · 46:22
Wrong. Wrong.
Scott Galloway · 46:23
I get it wrong all the And so I went on the site, and I wanted to find out more about the university. There was a bunch of news about the university, and there was footage of protests. And the protests there were entirely civil. They were people with signs saying, you know, chanting, whatever, on both sides. It was a productive civil protest. And I would bet, Kara, that 90 plus percent of the protests on campuses are just that, but they're not interesting. They don't get late night TV ratings. So I think there are hundreds of protests. It's just the only one the cameras are gonna show up for is the ones that feel like there's Yeah. This could turn ugly.
Kara Swisher · 47:01
There's enough of them, though. There's... Dartmouth. I was sort of shocked.
Scott Galloway · 47:03
Dartmouth was Yeah. I was shocked too. Have you seen what's going on at UCLA?
Kara Swisher · 47:06
Yeah. I I mean, two places that are so, like... I consider it to be more, like, ambitious kids, like, ambitious work. You know? I was interested.
Scott Galloway · 47:14
Some of those kids are about to get a life lesson. I I think parents and
Kara Swisher · 47:18
I'm surprised where it's popping up, honestly. I was like, oh, that's school versus
Scott Galloway · 47:22
I'm gonna go
Kara Swisher · 47:23
the brown kids would be, like, in revolt, and instead they've had a very productive discussion with their... Anyway.
Scott Galloway · 47:31
But look at it this way. UCLA, the way I see it, I did a play on words here, expels 90% of their students during the application process. Nine out of 10 people that apply... If you don't have perfect SATs, you're essentially expelled from UCLA. You don't get in.
Kara Swisher · 47:46
Yeah. At least one of my kids didn't get in there, but go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 47:49
When I was there forty years ago, there was something called the emergency loan window. And you could go up, show your student ID, and you could get $50.
Kara Swisher · 47:55
Told me this.
Scott Galloway · 47:55
Yeah. Questions not asked. Didn't pay it back in seven days. I was suspended. I got two c's in a d one semester. Suspended. Okay. But you you you support, but you're creating hostility on campus. I I think it's time, and I think it's about to happen, and I realize I sound like a get off my lawn guy. But if you're one of the students... Did you see that video of that Jewish kid who was being held from the live... Access to the library at UCLA because he didn't have a wristband on because he was Jewish? Yeah. I mean, I would really like to see facial recognition, and I'd like to see these kids get a a a powerful life lesson. I I think playtime is over. Peaceful protest, no problem.
Kara Swisher · 48:36
Though there were fighter... I mean, there was a... The thing at UCL was between two groups that counter protesters and counter protesters, which was... Anyway, it's
Scott Galloway · 48:46
That's that's awful too. There's no reason for that. And that... And quite frankly, as someone who is... Who has become, you know, an atheist, no connection to Israel, and has become a full blown Zionist as of October 7, what I would tell to people who want to... You know, who who are upset by this, never, never resort to violence. You're hurting you're hurting your own cause. It just... Don't throw things at people. It's not up to you to decide when the tents should go. That's up to law enforcement and the administrators. And all you're doing is hurting our own... You're you're hurting us if you're pro Israel. It's just... Never do that. Let let the kids and the encampments and the professional protesters are doing our work for us. They're they're revealing themselves and the entire public. Do you know do you know support for Israel has actually gone up since the protests started on campus?
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Kara Swisher · 49:37
I don't know.
Scott Galloway · 49:38
The Harvard CAPS Harris survey showed that 80% of registered voters said they support Israel more in the war now.
Kara Swisher · 49:45
But they have... One thing they have to do is be careful as they're doing this. Like, Delaney Cobb, who runs where I went, Columbia Journalism School, was reporting, and they nearly pulled him off campus. They... Leaving the reporters out, I think, is... And, by the way, can I just make a call out? Student reporters, especially at Columbia and other schools, have been doing a great job.
Scott Galloway · 50:03
David Bruin Radio is where
Kara Swisher · 50:05
everyone's getting information. Doing really this. I'm so, so much respect for these reporters, and they're doing a great even handed, strong strong reporting job that is really quite impressive. And speaking of life lessons, they've they've they've learned... You know, it's a great it's a great thing to... They're doing a great job.
Scott Galloway · 50:24
So also... But I think it's important for parents and leadership who are being very critical of universities understandably. Keep in mind, just as Twitter is not the world, the protests and the and the students and the professional protesters you're seeing on late night TV and on news, that is not universities and the student body. It's usually less, far less, even the hotspots, than 1% of the actual students. The majority of the students there are good people who have strong views but are focused on studying and getting through finals. And to think that... I just hear too many people conservative who are using this as all universities are bad. This
Kara Swisher · 51:06
is Right.
Scott Galloway · 51:06
I agree. This is America going down the tubes. No. Guess what? America still does a few things really, really well. Weapons, software. We make the best media of men and tights. And also, even with this, be clear, folks, as someone who knows academia pretty well, we still have the best universities in the best environment. What you're seeing is a very small piece of what happens every day at our great universities.
Kara Swisher · 51:30
Yeah. But, you know, we'll see what happens with the workers. Just now, leadership of the union representing University of California academic workers voted Wednesday to approve strike authorization. So we'll see how that goes. Can't wait for the conventions, Republican and Democratic conventions, although there's rings of security around those things. They better have a lot of security, going forward for that, because cities are not gonna, tolerate that. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show or call 85551 Okay, Scott. That's the show. We'll be back on Tuesday with more pivot. Can you read us out?
Scott Galloway · 52:08
Today's show was produced by Lara Nayman, Zoe Marcus, and Taylor Griffin. Ernie Indratot engineered this episode. Thanks also to Drew Burrows and Mille Savario. Nishad Kurwa is Vox Media's executive producer of audio. Make sure you subscribe to the show wherever you listen to podcasts. Thank you for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine and Vox Media. You can subscribe to the magazine at nymag.com/pod. We'll We'll be back next week for another breakdown of all things tech and business. What's the fastest growing intellectual property in the world? Miscellaneous.
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