Kara Swisher · 36:51
There's quite a passive gang of people, which is why a lot of that stuff happened. You know, I I also like Ben, but I gotta tell you, and he did talk to me after all those issues. Mhmm. There's a weird passivity, male passivity there. They're very male heavy. I don't have empathy for them. I think they're
Scott Galloway · 37:07
Male passivity. I like that.
Kara Swisher · 37:08
Male passivity. But aggression at the same time. It's a weird situation. And I think the people of color and the women talking there are telling the truth. I know too many people there, and it's... But it's it's a different kind than the sort of hyper aggressive Uber Donald Trump kind of thing. It's it's it's it's implicit versus explicit. Anyway, we'll see what's gonna happen to them. Good question. Thank you for that question. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions. I want you to predict the election because you were wrong about the landslide. Just so you know. Okay.
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Kara Swisher · 38:32
Okay, Scott. Tough to predict things right now. I just just did a little doom scrolling while I was, listening to you talk, and nothing's nothing nothing nothing. Like, things look up. Things look down. Who knows? It's a mess. Blah blah blah. Alright. Give me a prediction.
Scott Galloway · 38:47
Well, I'm I'm sticking to my guns. I got the calibration wrong, but I think it's Biden. And I think my prediction has always been that the civil unrest, the massive lawsuits, the post election, post results, agita, and I just don't think that's going to happen. I think the most interesting story, or the story of the election is one word. And we're saying this, you and I are recording this before we know. I think it's Georgia. Think Georgia is going to be the really interesting end up being kind of the state, just as it was the blue wall in 'sixteen. Think Georgia is super interesting. I mean
Kara Swisher · 39:25
It is interesting.
Scott Galloway · 39:26
I've been looking at that, obviously, goddamn screen that John King makes sweet, sweet love to. And if you look at the votes that aren't in right now, it's around Atlanta. But, anyways, I think Georgia is interesting, and I just don't think... I I think that the moment... If you look at even Fox, they're not
Kara Swisher · 39:45
Oh, no. They're not The reporters have taken over. The rep... Well, no. Scott Scott Scott... Sean Hannity was insane last night. I made sure I watched it to see what was gonna come out of my mother's mouth. But it's They were
Scott Galloway · 39:58
actually more calm yesterday than MSNBC. They were not
Kara Swisher · 40:01
Reporters were excellent. I have to say, I've always thought... I've thought Red Bear is fine, and and and and the other Dana Perino is quite good. They're they're very good reporters. I may not agree with them on some things, but in general as reporters, I think they're just as good as Anderson Cooper and the others. Well, I
Scott Galloway · 40:18
love him. Donnie. Bite your tongue. Bite your tongue.
Kara Swisher · 40:20
He has a point of view. They have a point of view. It's fine. They have less of a point of view than he does. In any case, I happen to agree with his point of view, which is different. So here's the situation, though. I think it's really hard. I'm gonna make a little prediction. One of the things that I hate coming out is all these tis... Tiskers about we don't understand the Trump voter, and he got a lot more votes. I never ever thought there was gonna be a repudiation of him. I am related to people who love him, and it is vexing to listen to them, I have to say. Mhmm. And it is... I got some good advice from Esther Perel about how to deal with it, but, they just stick to their frigging guns, like... And speak... Underscore guns. Although one of my brothers... My my Trumper brother now has bows and arrows, so that's
Scott Galloway · 41:01
Oh, he's a hunter.
Kara Swisher · 41:02
Oh, no. Have friends
Scott Galloway · 41:03
who do
Kara Swisher · 41:04
a hunter with guns. He also has apocalypse stuff. I'm not gonna go into it. In any case, I
Scott Galloway · 41:07
know you isn't gonna save me a
Kara Swisher · 41:08
lot of us. Lots and lots of relos like this, on both sides of my family, and I'm not surprised at all. Not in any way whatsoever. And I... I'm not surprised that he's gonna be around for a while. I'm not surprised that they like him. But here is what is irritating to me. Mhmm. And so I think it's... I think there's a lot more light... And also, as Esther pointed out, people love a malignant narcissist. They're compelling, and they're addictive and everything else. Even if you hate them, you you love them because you love to hate them, and the people that love them love them. And so it's it's... This is not going away. Populism is not going away. The sec... The thing that drives me up the wall and back down it is being lectured about this by Silicon Valley bros who are now like people... You know, this is a repudiation of liberal blah blah blah blah blah blah. This and that. They're not listening to people. Let me just tell you Silicon Valley bros, you haven't seen a people... And you hate these people ever. Like, I had one exchange, someone you don't like, Jason Gallicanis. He was doing that kinda... This is a repudiation of people telling people what to do. I am not gonna be lectured by the elite the elite of the elite about elites. Like, honestly, it's exhausting. Secondly, when I pointed out that, hey. Guess what? These people are loathsome and wanna ruin my my family's life. Oh, yes. I I didn't think about that. I don't wanna hear word one from the richest people in the world about how this is a repudiation of liberalism. I'm a lot more centrist than people realize, although liberal compared to most people.
Scott Galloway · 42:33
Mhmm.
Kara Swisher · 42:34
And I'm very patriotic, but I will not be lectured by the richest people in the world about the regular people of the world and how we have to listen to them. Have to listen to some of them, but some of them are homophobic. Some of them are racist, and they're allowed to go on and on and say these terrible things. And it's not a repudiation of liberalism. It's just that some people have other reasons and overlook negative things. And that is... That's what... That's the thing that has been driving me nuts on on Twitter is Silicon Valley people, all men, all lecturing people about what Trump means. I don't wanna hear word one from them about what Trump means because they don't know. And, just like Trump, they don't like the base either. They don't like the people, and they'd never put them on their planes. They'd never give them money. They'd never help them. They never have them in their houses, and they don't have any idea what it is like to suffer. Thank you. That's my rant. Alright.
Scott Galloway · 43:23
So, Kara, I think you are a strong woman with a beautiful mind, and I am very... I I do. I really feel grateful to work with you. I really do. I I think you're an impressive person and a and a very strong spokesperson for for for people. But... So let's take a moment to recognize
Kara Swisher · 43:37
go after you in a way that I think is bullshit, by the way. Like, you have made mistakes in your calls. So what? And you admit to it, you always say, oh, that was wrong. They are always, doing that. I'm like, you little bunch of shitty little boys. Like, you know, honestly, I'm so tired of them. Like, yeah, you've made mistake. Want me to go over your mistakes, all of you guys? Because I got I got the receipts for all of your fucked up fuck upness. And by the way, all of them have some pretty bad ones. And, again, I know all about them. And so that drives me crazy too. I don't like that either.
Scott Galloway · 44:05
Well, I think I think what infects San Francisco, and I lived there for ten years, and I was part of this. I had this virus is conflating luck with talent. Yep. And also, rather than confronting people for the real reason, the reason they go after people, including doxxing female journalists or going after me, which is fine, I'm out there, I deserve scrutiny, is they don't want to the reason they're going after you is because you perform the crime against humanity of saying that the septic tank that is their portfolio isn't as worth as much as they'd like to convince retail investors is so they can foist their unicorn feces on people. And rather than having a discussion around that, whether Robinhood is addictive and overvalued, whether Uber is exploitive and overvalued, they'd rather come after you and attack you personally.
Kara Swisher · 44:50
They do that.
Scott Galloway · 44:51
And it's like, okay, well, don't we have a discussion, a fact based, data driven discussion, and make some progress around why you believe that these things you've invested in. But at the end of the day, the only thing... It goes back to those Trump voters. The only thing they're fighting for, their only principles are what gets me richer. Yep. And everything else is just a head fake. Everything else
Kara Swisher · 45:13
is just head supporters, they hate you. They hate you. Like, you can't... They they would walk over you in two seconds if they could make another dollar, honestly. Seriously. I like you more, and I'm related to a lot more of you. You know what I mean? Like, I don't like you that much, but you know
Scott Galloway · 45:30
what I mean? But let's take a moment to talk about some of... There there is some wonderful things that happened to the first two openly gay black men were elected to oppose first trans. Yep. So there is, you know, look, I
Kara Swisher · 45:44
A lot of marijuana drug laws were loosened up, which is interesting.
Scott Galloway · 45:47
That's right. But there's no there's no getting around it. I Very totally am in a bubble. The media here, I'm rethinking where do I get my sources of information, because all the signals I was getting from the media were entirely wrong about what actually happened. Yep. Entirely wrong. Mean, That's for God's sakes Agreed. Collins? How the hell did that happen? Yeah. How the hell did that happen? And wasn't wasn't Biden supposed be up by 10 points in all these states? I mean, it was just And I bought into it, and I thought, I I just don't realize. It's really interesting.
Kara Swisher · 46:19
The Collins thing was fascinating. Yeah. The Collins thing was fascinating.
Scott Galloway · 46:23
She trounced she trounced, kid.
Kara Swisher · 46:24
Was not trounced by Lindsey Graham. I've been out of state. Yeah. That state likes... Doesn't like a Yeah. No. It wasn't gonna happen anytime soon. And he wasn't loathsome enough and, you know, whatever. He's just not... That that wasn't gonna happen. In the in the area of, some of them were very close, though. Some of them were very close, which I think was... You know, in in Iowa, I think that woman gave her a run, Joni
Scott Galloway · 46:48
Ernst. Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 46:49
I think Joni Ernst is on notice in that case. Oh, in Georgia.
Speaker · 46:52
I think
Kara Swisher · 46:52
she should feel good about her win. She should know she she she almost lost it. Collins one was really interesting because that... I I didn't I I didn't read a lot of the Maine coverage, and I don't know what the Maine report said.
Scott Galloway · 47:03
Everybody. I think that shocked people in Maine.
Kara Swisher · 47:06
Well, it's sort of... Someone said it's like, Maine voters are just like Susan Collins. They're very distressed and disappointed and will do nothing about it. So
Scott Galloway · 47:16
You love that.
Kara Swisher · 47:17
I I don't know. I think they just stuck with her. They didn't mind her being sort of anti Trump and yet not. I think that's... When she sort... When she went a little bit anti Trump, they said she was gonna lose all the Republicans. I think the Republicans were comfortable with her stance on that. Like, we don't wanna decide.
Scott Galloway · 47:33
You know what's also interesting is if you think of the market as
Kara Swisher · 47:35
That was a big one.
Scott Galloway · 47:36
Is this incredible breaker. What? This incredible sponge of millions of signals that spits back a number around the prospects for wealthy people, the prospects for the market. It feels as if and I don't think I'm reading too much into this, but it feels as if the market feels fairly good about a potential Biden win. I've been tracking the market gyrations relative to what's going on with race, and it feels like every time Biden starts... The the narrative gets more positive for Biden, the market seems to like it, which I found really interesting because you
Kara Swisher · 48:13
Yeah. They want a divided government. They want a divided... They want Nancy Pelosi and, you know, it's interesting. It'll be interesting to see how everyone deals with each other. It's a question I asked Astaire about this, and she feels that, like, Nancy Pelosi should be super nice if Trump wins, like, real nice. Like, it'll it'll unsettle him rather than being in his face. He doesn't... You know, that's how you deal with a narcissist. But they really do have to start figuring out a way to talk to each other. That is a 100% true. And I think Wall Street likes the idea of everybody sort of blocking each other
Scott Galloway · 48:46
Mhmm.
Kara Swisher · 48:46
So that they have to. They have to legislate, they have to govern, and enough of this fighting. Like, I think that's one thing that Wall Street probably hopes is gonna happen, but we'll see.
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Scott Galloway · 48:57
I'm exhausted, Kara.
Kara Swisher · 48:58
You're... I know
Scott Galloway · 48:59
you're watching need soup in cuddle. I need soup in
Kara Swisher · 49:01
a Just put... What can you do today? Go outside. Take a walk with your lovely wife. Take a walk with your children. Go outside. Put the phone in like a lockbox and lock it away. Yeah. You can't do anything. It's... It is what it is.
Scott Galloway · 49:14
The ball's out of our hands. It's out
Kara Swisher · 49:16
of your hand. The ball is out of your hands like you said last week. So take it out of your hands and just do something else.
Scott Galloway · 49:22
Oh, don't be so fucking mature. I'm going back, and I'm I'm watching CNN. So it's all over.
Kara Swisher · 49:26
Just day drink then. How about day drink? Be be a day drinker in a heavy amount. That's the other thing to do.
Scott Galloway · 49:32
Nice. Nice.
Kara Swisher · 49:33
No. None of those things. Anyway, we'll see. We'll see. We'll know by Monday, maybe. Probably not. Never. We're just gonna have two presidents. Nice... Uncle nice and uncle mean. Like Oh, that'd be interesting. Can you imagine?
Scott Galloway · 49:46
No. I can't.
Kara Swisher · 49:47
That would be. Like, that would be a reality show to end all reality shows. Put them both in the White House and and have hijinks ensue. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 49:55
Yeah. I don't... I can't even go there. I just can't even go there.
Kara Swisher · 49:57
Okay.
Scott Galloway · 49:58
I can't even
Kara Swisher · 49:58
go there. Thank you so much. That's the show. Email us with questions about companies and trends in tech and business at pivot@VoxMedia.com. We love your questions. Scott, please read us out.
Scott Galloway · 50:08
Today's show was produced by Rebecca Sinanis. Fernando Finite engineered this episode. Erica Anderson is Pivot's executive producer. Thanks also to Hannah Rosen and Drew Burrows. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. Or if you're an Android user, check us out on Spotify or, frankly, wherever you listen to podcasts. If you like the show, please recommend it to a friend. Thanks for listening to Pivot from New York Magazine Vox Media. We'll be back next week for a breakdown of all things tech and business. And next week, Kara, we'll still live in the most wonderful experiment ever. We'll still both be Americans. We'll still have each other. Let's let's... I will see you next week. Have a great weekend.
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