Scott Galloway · 19:33
A fucking way to pay them a decent wage. I mean, this is such bullshit. Oh, we can't figure it out.
Kara Swisher · 19:38
Love... I love Union Scott. Can
Scott Galloway · 19:41
show you.
Kara Swisher · 19:42
Look for the union lady.
Scott Galloway · 19:45
I'm... You know, I'm part of a union.
Kara Swisher · 19:46
Buying
Scott Galloway · 19:47
a coach's Anyways
Kara Swisher · 19:48
boss. Remember that?
Scott Galloway · 19:49
Yeah. I I do remember that.
Kara Swisher · 19:50
Great commercial.
Scott Galloway · 19:51
But the notion they just can't figure it out, but they can figure out a way to have you you in the backseat of a car and have it get you from here to Montauk without a driver. Oh, but they can't figure out a way to pay their... Give their driver stock. Give me a break.
Kara Swisher · 20:02
Alright. Okay. Speaking... We're gonna do one last thing, and then we're gonna get to break and then wins and fails. Pete ButtEdge Edge. Wow. He's become the new toast to Silicon Valley. I just got another invite for him in Oakland. He's been all over Silicon Valley hoovering up the dough.
Scott Galloway · 20:18
And why? Why... What is it they like about him?
Kara Swisher · 20:20
Well, our lovely reporter, Teddy Schliever on Recode, has been writing a lot about where the tech money is going. Reid Hoffman just did a thing for Cory Booker, but they like Pete Buttigieg, I guess. They, you know, they didn't much like Hillary Clinton. They did like Obama, and now Pete Buttigieg seems to be someone they're interested in. Although there were a lot of Bernie Bros in Silicon Valley and stuff like that. So it's interesting that he's going out there and taking that money when tech is under such siege. That's what's kind of interesting about it to me.
Scott Galloway · 20:45
And what do you think Pete's... What do you think mayor Pete's chances are?
Kara Swisher · 20:49
I don't know. I don't know. I I know you love him. But I think, you know, he's gotta keep the momentum going, obviously. He might have peaked too early, or I don't know. It's a little early to to be the the leading person. And then, Beto just hired someone who... A very significant person from the Obama campaign who did delegate count. So I think it's gonna be a long haul here who's gonna who's gonna make it, but he's definitely hoovering up the dough out there. And the question is, is it good dough to hoover up? What do you think of Pete or others, Cory Booker, others going and and getting tech money? Is that a bad thing or a good thing? Because, you know, Elizabeth Warren returned the opiate money. Like, is there money you can't take now?
Scott Galloway · 21:23
I don't think tech money is that tainted. I don't I don't see... I think Pete needs the money and Mhmm. You know, hate the hate the game, not the player. If you wanna be elected, you can... Until Donald Trump, the the person that raised the money owes one president. So Mhmm. You know, there's a direct correlation between there's a direct correlation between money and your ability to win. So you just can't blame them. I think it's nice. Bernie Sanders kind of changed the game because he got so much money in small money donation and created this upward spiral that people felt powerful to say, I have a candidate that's not taking big money. He's taking small money. And the Internet has enabled small kind of micro payments and donations. So I think a lot of them have gone woke because they can, and they can refuse PAC money. It's just... It's pure math, though. I don't think Elizabeth Warren or senator Warren was gonna get a ton of PAC money, but, you know, look. Jeb Bush is basically Jeb Bush basically and and and Hillary Clinton basically blew up the notion that money gets you an election. They were the first ones to raise the most money that didn't win.
Kara Swisher · 22:22
Yeah.
Scott Galloway · 22:22
So I I don't know, but I don't I don't resent him. I don't have a problem with him taking tech money. Is... What... Do you think there's an issue?
Kara Swisher · 22:29
No. I I don't. I I don't think there's an issue at all. Yeah. I don't think there's an issue at all.
Scott Galloway · 22:33
It's gonna be... And you know who's... But what's incredible is, Biden has actually extended his lead. And by the way, that was a prediction I thought he was gonna crash in the polls, and I got that wrong.
Kara Swisher · 22:41
I did not.
Scott Galloway · 22:42
He's stronger. Yeah. He's doing really well. And you know who he's hurting is Bernie.
Kara Swisher · 22:46
My mom likes Joe Biden. That's how I that's how I judge these things. She'll vote for us. He will vote for vote Joe Biden over Trump a 100% if you're looking for those votes, if you're looking for those edge votes. You know what mean? Like, she's a typical Republican voter, but if you wanna move the ones who voted for Obama back to that camp, it's... She's... He's the one. I'm sorry.
Scott Galloway · 23:05
Got it.
Kara Swisher · 23:06
Disappointing, but true.
Scott Galloway · 23:07
Got it.
Kara Swisher · 23:08
So Alright. So A win. So go ahead. Finish up because then we're gonna take an ad break. What? What?
Scott Galloway · 23:12
But we don't wanna talk about a win?
Kara Swisher · 23:13
A win. No. We're not yet after the ad break. Alright. When we get back, we're gonna talk about a win because Scott so much wants to jump the gun here.
Scott Galloway · 23:20
I'm ready.
[Ad break]
Kara Swisher · 24:10
Okay, Scott. We're back now with wins and fails. Go ahead and do your win.
Scott Galloway · 24:14
So my win is is, your woman, senator Kamala Harris. Did you see her questioning of attorney general at the bar?
Kara Swisher · 24:22
My was was gonna say you're I'd like.
Scott Galloway · 24:23
You know what? Honestly, I was gonna say you're a girl rather than a boy. Then I thought, okay. Can't say you're a girl. That's a hate crime. I trigger you. Yeah. It's Okay. So you're Trigger me.
Kara Swisher · 24:32
It's just rude.
Scott Galloway · 24:33
You're you're That's
Kara Swisher · 24:34
what it is.
Scott Galloway · 24:35
Anyways. Okay. Senator. You're a senator. If I said
Kara Swisher · 24:38
your opposite of woke
Scott Galloway · 24:39
as we were completely asleep. If I said your boy Pete, is that disparaging?
Kara Swisher · 24:44
I I don't like any of it, go ahead. He's an adult. Although he's somewhat of a man boy, but
Scott Galloway · 24:48
A winner.
Kara Swisher · 24:48
A man.
Scott Galloway · 24:49
A winner. Winner. Kamala Harris questioning William Barr. I thought she was outstanding. And you
Kara Swisher · 24:56
can She's a prosecutor.
Scott Galloway · 24:57
Just as... Just for fun, stop the YouTube video of him at any moment while she is questioning him, and he looks like a 17 year old that's just been caught masturbating by his parents. Yeah. He looks so incredibly embarrassed and without explanation.
Kara Swisher · 25:12
Wow.
Scott Galloway · 25:12
He looks just entirely like, I don't know what I don't know what to do, how to answer. I just know I'm I'm I'm wrong. I I... He looks ridiculous. I thought she was... I I would be... She is literally the last person you would wanna see in a courtroom when you're on the stand.
Kara Swisher · 25:29
So what does it make any difference, though? Like, look. He just... He... They... All the contempt charges, everything else doesn't matter. They're just did not... They're just stonewalling like crazy and seem to be doing rather well by doing it.
Scott Galloway · 25:40
But that's that's another loser, and that is Okay. Our institutions and our referees, and it starts at the top. We're now violating, court orders. We're now violating... Ignoring subpoenas. We're now basically saying, fine, put me in contempt of congress. And it's it's trickling down to a lot of dangerous places. In the NBA, people are yelling at refs, calling them... One ref called a female... Oh, excuse me. One player called a a female ref a fucking bitch. Another threw his mouth guarded referee. And what's most dangerous about it is not this this irresponsible, reckless behavior, but the fact that it's being exhibited by the stars, and it's becoming associated with the best players. So if you're a real man, if you're really excellent at what you do
Kara Swisher · 26:21
what Tristan told me.
Scott Galloway · 26:23
Well, this is not it. But also it it
Kara Swisher · 26:25
permits talked about it. It permeates. Even if you're not, you don't read Facebook, it permeates your culture.
Scott Galloway · 26:30
Well, Elon Musk, it's happening everywhere. A sign of your mojo and your leadership and how badass you are is to stick up the middle finger to our institutions, and it's just not healthy. It's... We're literally tearing this stuff apart at the seams. So the... A big loser right now is our institutions and our referees.
Kara Swisher · 26:48
Right. Well, yeah, but they... What can they do? If someone says no, it's like having an incredibly bratty child who you really don't have control of.
Scott Galloway · 26:55
Well, it's our fault. So in the case of us, it's it's the electorate that doesn't elect people that have a backbone. It's start demanding... Start voting for people who say, I'm gonna break these guys up. Start Mhmm. Stop going to Golden State Warriors games. Stop buying season tickets or or get rid of that corporate box when you say, until the NBA actually starts imposing real fines with this sort of disrespectful behavior. I'm not interested in supporting the team. Money talks and votes talk. We do live in a democracy because the scary thing is we've decided we like this shit.
Kara Swisher · 27:27
Well, do you think it's because... I mean, I do agree with Tristan. I'm gonna say his name like that again. Tristan annoys you. Tristan. Tristan said... I think it's true. It does it does it does seep down into the culture at large. And so he said even though you can say you're not an online person, that what's going on online seeps everywhere, you know, whether it be, you know, the anti vaxx thing that if you live in a neighborhood, there... There's actual physical dangers there, but also the the the conceptual idea that you can say and do anything. Like, all bets are off.
Scott Galloway · 27:56
Yeah. It's not It's the
Kara Swisher · 27:57
purge, Scott.
Scott Galloway · 27:58
It's the purge. Do you have any winners and losers this week?
Kara Swisher · 28:01
I do. The New York Times reporting on Trump's finances. I really enjoyed. Yeah. It was trying to Look. It was great. It was great. It was... Again, they... Like, their tax thing, they're doing amazing reporting on this. Not that it matters. Again, does it matter? Do... Does anyone care? And then they spin it into isn't he a success? And of course, he was trying to say that he'd like to... He essentially admitted to tax fraud and how successful he was at doing tax fraud.
Scott Galloway · 28:21
Yeah. But now we know he wasn't afraid to really... Or he's not afraid or reticent to release his taxes. Don't think because it necessarily indicates a crime, which it might. But more than anything, the bottom line is he's a really bad businessman. Yeah. He inherited a base... He inherited, I think, approximately a $500,000,000 and managed to turn it
Kara Swisher · 28:40
into a lab. Like a good businessman.
Scott Galloway · 28:43
Fred sounds like a smart, disciplined businessman, and his son is just a kinda... You know, the second generation always loses it.
Kara Swisher · 28:50
Sloppy. Sloppy. Alright. The other fail? What is your fail this week?
Scott Galloway · 28:54
I had my fail, the refs and institutions.
— Predictions segment begins —
Kara Swisher · 28:56
Refs and... Okay. Predictions. We gotta get out of here. Predictions? Predictions? Okay. You were wrong about Biden. So let's just
Scott Galloway · 29:01
Wrong about Biden. But let's revisit our Lyft prediction. How's that going? Okay. How's that working out?
Kara Swisher · 29:06
Not good. Not good. But Ubers this week.
Scott Galloway · 29:08
We nailed the prediction on Lyft. So Uber... Let's talk a little bit about Uber. Uber's
Kara Swisher · 29:12
coming prediction? Alright. One prediction for them.
Scott Galloway · 29:14
They keep coming. They keep lowering the price range. It's now down to 90 building. I I think... I'm not sure, and it's much more fun to talk about dramatic predictions, but I've decided my prediction around Uber in terms of the stock is gonna be meh. I think this thing is being perfectly manicured and measured to a small pop and that's about it and I think it'll hold steady. And then the first quarter is gonna be the thing that's gonna determine Uber's success or its ability to maintain this incredible valuation that they've been able to convince the market is their ability to, like Amazon, use their money losing flywheel, e commerce, in this case ride hailing, to spin out other profitable businesses. And they've shown an ability to do that, unlike Lyft with Uber Eats. Now, can they do
Kara Swisher · 29:58
You know, Lyft had a big... A good quarter in terms of growth. It was a very impressive growth quarter.
Scott Galloway · 30:03
Well, Kara, give me give me a... Tell me to go build a $2,000,000,000 business I can lose a billion dollars on. I'll show you growth.
Kara Swisher · 30:09
It's not
Scott Galloway · 30:10
I mean, that's just not that hard. Is that
Kara Swisher · 30:11
a billion for them? No. No. It's not quite a... Oh, it's close to a billion.
Scott Galloway · 30:14
You're right. You're Give give me a credit card with a billion dollar credit limit. I'll I'll create the illusion of prosperity.
Kara Swisher · 30:18
On that next week. I gotta get you
Scott Galloway · 30:20
guys Get me one of those? It's not a Discover card. Don't give me a Discover card. It's gotta be an Amex
Kara Swisher · 30:25
I'll ask my friend Bill Maher, which you were not on. No.
Scott Galloway · 30:27
Oh my god.
Kara Swisher · 30:29
Looks like you. Moby looks like you. Let
Scott Galloway · 30:31
me just say not a
Kara Swisher · 30:33
nice thing to say. On there rubbing the Trump against his penis. Everyone thought that was you.
Scott Galloway · 30:37
By the way, what happened to that guy? One of the best albums ever play. I mean, literally one of the best albums ever. And just like Michael Jackson, he can't do anything now. He can't... What... What's the last thing he's done?
Kara Swisher · 30:46
He had issues around personal problems. He had lot drinking and drugs and stuff that.
Scott Galloway · 30:51
I feel bad. I'll get to I'll get to genius. By the way, I don't... And I don't know how you're gonna respond to this. You know what I thought when I saw you, Kara? You look nice. You look... What are you doing? What did you do? Whatever you did there, you should do that every day. I'm like, wow, Kara is attractive. Is that a hate crime? Do you feel triggered right now?
Kara Swisher · 31:10
What is it? You not see me in person? I'm very attractive in person.
Scott Galloway · 31:12
I mean, I'm like, Kara looks nice.
Kara Swisher · 31:15
I was Oh, it's
Scott Galloway · 31:15
amazing. Switched it off and went back to me, and I'm like, I can't believe they didn't invite me on that program.
Kara Swisher · 31:21
I'm gonna
Scott Galloway · 31:21
try to But my first thought was that you look nice, and I thought you were good. I thought I thought the show was... That was actually passable.
Kara Swisher · 31:28
It was hysterical.
Scott Galloway · 31:29
What's he like? Give me some behind... Is there, like... Does he take you to his home in the Hollywood Hills and, like, crush up Cary Alice or something? There's a party. Tell me about the party. Tell me about the party.
Kara Swisher · 31:38
It was a good... It was just a party in one of the rooms there. It was very nice. And then I went out to dinner with Kathy Griffin and a bunch of friends of mine.
Scott Galloway · 31:44
Oh, talk about a downshift. Talk about a downgrade.
Kara Swisher · 31:47
And then in the... No. She was great. And then the morning, I had breakfast in Ashton Kutcher, who I know pretty well was sitting next to me. It was a very Hollywood weekend. It was a very
Scott Galloway · 31:54
Hollywood breakfast with Ashton Kutcher?
Kara Swisher · 31:57
No. He was sitting next to me with his kids. That's all. He just happened to sit down. It was weird. I happened to know him because he was so... He's an investor in Uber. He's... You know, I've known him for a long time because he's invested in lot of tech companies. So it was very funny to have him and his lovely wife, Mila Kunis, sit down with his beautiful children. Anyway
Scott Galloway · 32:12
Yeah. What a shocker they have beautiful kids.
Kara Swisher · 32:14
Yeah. Yeah. But it was nice. It was at a deli there. It's just... I like Hollywood because of that. You run into people.
Scott Galloway · 32:18
It's like babies. Of beautiful children, my idea... And tell me what you think of this Okay. Is I think
Kara Swisher · 32:23
Then we gotta get out.
Scott Galloway · 32:24
I think I think AOC and Beto should marry Oh my goodness. Hold on.
Kara Swisher · 32:29
Hold on. Knew this.
Scott Galloway · 32:30
No. Hold on. Have millions of kids.
Kara Swisher · 32:32
Predictions. I then take
Scott Galloway · 32:33
those I then take those kids. I weaponize them with AI. We take over Australia. I become general consort of Australia, and I'll make you the first lesbian mayor of Perth. Boom. That's how we roll. Perth is like California in the fifties. It's dreamy.
Kara Swisher · 32:47
No. It really isn't. Melbourne is beautiful. There was a lovely story in the New York Times of thirty six hours. I love Melbourne.
Scott Galloway · 32:52
It's Melbourne's very nice. The San Francisco of the Southern Hemisphere.
Kara Swisher · 32:56
Whatever. It's pretty. My my nephew lives there. Scott?
Scott Galloway · 32:59
Kara.
Kara Swisher · 33:00
Thank you so much. Alright. Prediction for for the price for Uber when... Since you... That was your... What is the prediction for the price of Uber?
Scott Galloway · 33:06
So there's been too hot. There's been too cold. This will be the Goldilocks IPO. It'll do what it's supposed to do. It'll get a a decent but not a crazy pop, nothing like Beyond Meat, and it'll actually hold. I think this is... I think the bankers are gonna do their job here.
Kara Swisher · 33:20
Okay. Alright. Well, we'll see. We'll talk about that next week. We will know these things, then we'll see the fallout from the Chris UCM. We'll see what next billionaire turns on Mark Zuckerberg in the ongoing Game of Thrones in that in that in that company. Did
— Predictions segment ends —
Scott Galloway · 33:33
you see... By the way, did you see the pictures of those two? Chris Hughes and Yes. Mark Zuckerberg before. I'm convinced working at Facebook is like being president. I think it ages you unnaturally. Those guys look like my grandfather. And just five years ago, they both look like my paper boy. They're in a time warp. They are aging at five times.
Kara Swisher · 33:50
I'm weeping big heavy tears for them. I don't feel sorry for
Scott Galloway · 33:53
any of you. Shit. Seriously, guys. Go to a spa.
Kara Swisher · 33:57
Well, you and your amazing head of hair is so beautiful. Anyway, Nishat Kerweis is the show's executive producer. Scott, I'll see you next week. Thanks also to Eric Johnson. Thanks for listening to Pivot from Vox Media. We'll be back next week for a breakdown of all things tech and business. Make sure you subscribe to the show on Apple Podcasts. If you like this week's episode, leave us a review.
