Kara Swisher · 44:40
They're so smart. You could see what they were doing. Right? And and I remember one of the Kennedys who was representing Massachusetts, I can't remember which one it was, was saying, oh, they're gonna put an Amazon warehouse in my district. I'm like, they're not gonna have people in it. Like... And I remember Amazon being... Calling me and saying, don't be saying that. I'm like, but it... That's what's... It seems so obvious to me. And so this is where they're going with these. There there will be no people in Amazon warehouses or very few people. And then pretending otherwise seems kind of ridiculous because they've really... They're really quite good at it, and they're a logistics company more than a commerce company. And here in in in Korea, I was just in a thing called Robot Valley. I mean, robotics do not get enough attention compared to AI, but AI combined with robotics is really, like, one of these amazing and also terrifying breakthroughs for humanity, it seems to me. But I don't know. What do you think?
Scott Galloway · 45:40
Yeah. I agree with you. It's sort... It's a similar issue to all these data centers that congresspeople are excited to get in their district, but the reality is you could turn the lights off during the day because there's nobody working there. There's some labor involved in building these things. But once they're up and running, they're just a huge draw on the local electric or power supply, and they don't create a lot of jobs. I think robots and automation are in many ways... It's always it's always the shit you're not expecting that impacts you to the upside than to outside. I actually think the more important technology over the next twenty four months that would be the best bet for America is not g p t five. I think it's GLP one. I think that would be a better bet for America if they put GLP one in the hands of every obese person in a low income home. And I think robotics, to your point, are in some ways more important than AI because I think that Jeff Bezos and Dara Kastrashahi dream of a lack of drivers and and factory workers. I think they think, okay. Think about the majority of the bad press that Amazon has probably received in last ten years. A lot of it is stories of these delivery men in vans who have pee bottles and aren't aren't paid well.
Kara Swisher · 46:52
Warehouses or
Scott Galloway · 46:53
what have to hit quotas and have health insurance. And I I gotta be honest. I'm here for it. I want... I would love to see AI pilots in planes. If you look at the majority of... And it won't happen because of psychological reasons, but if you look at the majority of plane crashes, and there's very few, they're almost always pilot air. And so there will be job creation, though. There will be people that opt to program and build these things and service them. It'll be a higher wage job. But the story of America is that the low wage, low value add production jobs slowly but surely get screened out as we move from an agrarian to manufacturing to a services to a quote unquote innovation economy. I think it's a good thing. The problem with America is that we're not very good at retraining and supporting the people on the wrong end of that trade. We're very much winners and losers. Like, sorry, boss. It's the hunger games here. But I think it'll be... America, actually, if you look at the economy right now, it's a giant bet on AI, but there has been some real investment in manufacturing of our industrial base. And I think the only way we compete with China is to have these types of factories.
Kara Swisher · 47:59
Oh, China's way ahead on this stuff. I mean, all of Asia is in a lot of ways. And, again, AI gets all the attention, but AI combined with robotics is really... Yeah. There can be... Let me say, there's there's sort of a thing called human centric robots where it's not Mhmm. Replace... Not just getting our coffee and this and that.
Scott Galloway · 48:16
It's called a sex doll.
Kara Swisher · 48:17
Okay. That's right where you go to. But I'm talking... What I... The the stuff I was... The exoskeletons to help people walk better, to help the elderly, like, eventually, there... There's all manner. And one of the things... I had a really interesting discussion with Alex who, of course, is a mechanic... Is mechanical engineering student. And he's like, why do robotics have... Like, Elon Musk is... They laugh at Elon Musk here in Korea, have to tell you. Because he's like going, I'm gonna make Optimus, gonna make these, you know, humanoid robots. They don't have to look like humans. Like, the real changes are in places like what Amazon has done, which is they're robots. They're just not the robots you think of from science fiction. You know, doing a hand... Like, Alice was like, why does a dog walking robot have to look like a person? In fact, that's hard. They fall over the hand. It's funny. Like, it can look at... Like, automation is a very... And I think, actually, automation's not a... It is... Is the right word. Right? That's actually... Instead of calling it advanced technology, it's automation. But there's there's all kinds of ways robotics are gonna affect us, and especially when it's... When it now... Like, this one thing I was wearing, it uses AI to collect data in real time about my body movements, which would then calculate how these row... You know, robots should be adjusted per person in real time. And it used to be they'd have to be adjusted individually, but they don't have to anymore. Same thing with cars. Same thing. So the combination is really both deadly to jobs and at the same time breathtaking in terms of savings, like what it's gonna do.
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Scott Galloway · 49:53
So each year, and this is this is a thinly veiled ad, I do my predictions deck. And that is sometime in November, I put together a deck, I say, these are my predictions for the oncoming year in society, stock market, technology. And each year, I pick one of the big 10 companies, one of the magnificent 10 or one of the big four actually, Amazon, Apple, Facebook, or Alphabet. And I say this will be the best performing stock, and this is why. Last year, I picked Alphabet. It's up 60% in the last year. Well year done. Thank you. Pat myself on the back. This year, my pick is probably gonna be Amazon, and that is it hasn't... It actually hasn't performed very well the last couple years. And then... But traditionally, their margin expansion has been powered by AWS and the unsung hero of the business, and that is Amazon Media Group running the ads on the platform. And they force retailers to run ads, and it's very high margin. Now the margin expansion is happening in retail. For over a decade, the fulfillment and shipping costs ballooned more quickly than sales, decreasing margins. And then that reversed two years ago, and retail sales are now growing faster than shipping costs.
Kara Swisher · 51:01
That's because they got everyone to use Prime. Right? They got everybody in on on it. They were losing money on Prime, would assume.
Scott Galloway · 51:07
But also because robotics and the huge investment they've made in robotics is finally delivering operational leverage. Amazon expects to save about, I think, about $13,000,000,000 from 2025 to 2027 as a result of automation. And assuming no change in Amazon's enterprise value to EBITDA multiple, as you can tell me, do a lot of work on this, that translates to roughly $200,000,000,000 extra in enterprise value. Plus, it expects to sell twice as many products by 2033. I think all the investments they've made in automation coupled with robotics and AI, they're about to get huge leverage. So whereas ads in AWS have added all the margin, I actually think retail is about to be where they expand their margins.
Kara Swisher · 51:53
That's interesting. Oh, I think it's gonna go across our... In... The entire country, actually. When I... One time I was visiting Kentucky, they were talking about Silicon Holler and all this stuff and bringing back coal. Remember, Trump was bringing back coal. And I I stood up and I said, they're gonna bring it by by robots. What do they need you for? Like, you get sick. You have... Like, you get... It's bad for you to be mining coal. And I... Again, I was cut off. Like, don't say that. I'm like, well, of course, they're gonna use robots, like... Or or whatever. Automation. I don't care what word you use. But what's astonishing is how good Korea and China and all these countries are, and they're really making investments in robotics. And am... You're absolutely right. Amazon has been far ahead of any other... There are lots of manufacture... That... That's how we return with manufacturing, but it's not gonna be with people at all.
Scott Galloway · 52:46
But I would describe the last few years in terms of robotics as it relates to the retail as the investment phase, and it hasn't delivered... It's been expensive and hasn't delivered the leverage yet, but I think that's pivoting and switching. And the stock, even though it's up 20% in the last year, it's underperformed its competitors. Amazon typically trades at a five year average PE multiple of 60, and right now, it's trading at 34. Anyways, I think those... I think that leverage, the fact that it's reasonably priced... Anyways, I'm I'm excited about I'm excited about Amazon over the next twelve months.
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Kara Swisher · 53:21
Oh, I'm glad you... You've been focused on this. This is interesting. Anyway, let's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about Argentina's election results.
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Kara Swisher · 55:36
Scott, we're back with more news. The payoff of Donald Trump to help the Argentinian economy has helped. Argentina's president Javier Mele's party swept the country's midterm elections, winning 40% of the votes. They had to get above 35 compared with around 24% for the main oppositions with their... Which are the Peyronus who had been running Argentina badly for many years. President Trump endorsed Malay earlier this month and said a $20,000,000,000 currency swap bailout from The US was contingent on his midterm success. Trump took Truth Social to congratulate Malay saying he's making us all look good, and don't worry about the cost of the bailout. Let's listen to the comforting words of treasury, the thirstiest treasury secretary I've ever seen, Scott Besant, on Meet the Press this weekend.
Scott Galloway · 56:18
It is America first because we are supporting a US ally. There will be no taxpayer losses. This is a swap line. This is not a bailout.
Kara Swisher · 56:32
Well, this is working. I mean, this helped Malay, I think, quite a bit in in the thing. You know, he he... There's been a lot of pain what he's doing, of which is... It should have happened because Argentina has had, like, enormous inflation and things like that, but he's doing it in sort of this incredibly brutal way. So how... Talk about talk about this. Would... Explain what what Bessette was saying here, where this is a swap line. This is not a bailout.
Scott Galloway · 57:00
Well, I believe we're just exchanging dollars for pesos, but the peso has has a habit of of totally crashing and devaluing. It has been a fucking disaster despite an incredible blasting of natural resources, really good universities, an amazing culture, great natural resources, they have just been fucked over and over by kinda socialist corrupt governments. The country has entered into IMF rescue programs 23 times since 1956, more than any other nation. This nation has been has been bailed out more times than any other nation by the IMF. The most recent major IMF loan to Argentina was for 57,000,000,000 in 2018, and it failed to stabilize the economy and led to a default just two years later. Over the past fifty years, Argentina has defaulted nine times. So basically, every five and a half years, this country defaults, which has resulted in constant hyperinflation and peso devaluation. In the past year alone, the peso has fallen more than 350% against the US dollar. I guess the way to say that is the US dollar has increased 350% against the peso. So the... And this is... Let's call this for what it is. This is Trump bailing out one of his friends. Yeah. And major
Kara Swisher · 58:16
Same thing. Like, same thing.
Scott Galloway · 58:18
But it's not even about Malay. It's about Rob Citrone, a longtime associate of treasury secretary Bissent, who runs a hedge fund and has significant exposure to Argentine bonds and stocks. And what does it do? Again, this is about fucking corruption. The bailout props up these prices, offering a crucial window or exit to mark up the investments of his buddy who will make a huge donation to the Trump campaign. Stan Druckenmiller, Bessent's former mentor at Soros Fund Management, is also involved whose Duquesne family office was recently disclosed as the second largest investor in Argentina's main exchange traded fund. Citrone, meanwhile, has made Argentina his biggest bet in Latin America. This is just... You're you're... This is literally an orgy of corruption.
Kara Swisher · 59:04
It really is. It's just
Scott Galloway · 59:05
And and we're the ones that get, like, a $5 tip and have been fucked so many ways, and we just leave the party, you know you know, naked and, like, abused. And that's basically anyone that doesn't get to hang out in the mansion who's not willing to fillet the big fat man. I mean, it's just... To think that this isn't going to cost other hedge funds looking for true alpha and looking for investments, to think that somehow we're not gonna end up bailing them out again. And to think about how just moronic this is, we put a tariff on China, which makes no sense. They're smart. They go, I know. I'm gonna go for your heart and lungs. I'm gonna go after the red states and the people who voted for you four to one, the farmers, and we're gonna stop buying all of your soybeans. Those farmers go out of business. Right? And who do the Chinese get their soybeans from now? Mhmm. Argentina. Right.
Kara Swisher · 59:58
We're we're Soybean farmer.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:00
We're getting...
Kara Swisher · 1:00:01
I mean Did you see that pheasant calling himself a soybean?
Scott Galloway · 1:00:04
Yeah. He's a soybean. He's worth a $500,000,000. Yeah. He's literally... You are my wife. Goodbye, city life. Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:13
Anyone who's not real old like us doesn't get that Green Acres.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:16
Yeah. Doesn't get that. Yeah. By the way, that guy that guy, what was his name? Eddie Albert, he was a a very successful spy, a true patriot. That guy was an... That guy led a very impressive life.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:27
And yet he ended up on Green Acres is the place to be. Farm living is the life for me.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:34
That was right before the Beverly Hillbillies.
Kara Swisher · 1:00:36
Oh my god. I had that whole song in my fucking head. Anyway, go ahead.
Scott Galloway · 1:00:40
And it was what we were talking about, the orgy of corruption. We're bailing out. We're punishing farmers with sclerotic trade policy and then taking money and sending it to the new trades... The new the new supplier of soybeans, Argentina. That money, it's unlikely... Argentina needs structural reform. To Male's credit, he is implementing structural
Kara Swisher · 1:01:01
He is indeed.
Scott Galloway · 1:01:02
Reform. He is... I think he's kind of exactly what Argentina needed. He would have won without Trump. But because of Trump, I think he got more seats, more total power. And I think you can pretty much write off prediction. You can write off 30 of that $40,000,000,000. It... It's gone. Nothing's gonna get in the way of the peso devaluation over the short term. This is an economy of structural issues. I hope they come out of it. I was an investor in a company that used to hire these amazing engineers from the Cordova University or University in Cordova, Argentina. And the funniest thing was we had a down quarter and we were cutting the budget. Was company called Olapic, which we ended up selling and it was a big win. Great. Three three really super intelligent guys, two Spaniards, one Argentinian guy. And the Argentinian guy was in charge of the engineering team, and we could get great engineers for, like, $40 instead of a 140 or $2.40 outside of Cordoba. And the only line item that we could never cut was the Asado budget. That was beef. Every Friday, they had Asado. They had beef for all of the engineers, and that was, like, the only thing you were never allowed to touch. This was the key to the entire culture Wow. That's interesting. Was their beef.
Kara Swisher · 1:02:13
Well, you know, when I was looking at that before the summit, besides the Trump payoff, I think it did help him. I think it absolutely... The money that he was getting from Trump. But one of the things was Ivor was like, oh, he's gonna lose. I'm like, but the choices, the Peronists were terrible. Like, eighty years of shitty management. I don't see that being the option. So he was the only option in a lot of ways even though it's taking its toll. He's also crazy. Like, he's a little... Seems insane. But but, you know, there you go. There you have it. We'll see what happens there. Alright, Scott. One more quick break. We'll be back for wins and fails.
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Kara Swisher · 1:04:45
Okay, Scott. Let's hear some wins and fails.
Scott Galloway · 1:04:49
Well, my fail is... It's this... It's a specific issue of a much larger trend that has become the zeitgeist in our economy, and that is the NBA gambling scandal. Oh, yeah. So Miami Heat guard, Terry Rozier, I believe his name is, and Portland Trailblazers head coach Chauncey Billups were among 30 arrested in an FBI investigation that uncovered a poker rigging and illegal betting ring. Many politicians, well as the NBA commissioner Adam Silver, have increased calls to congress to tighten regulations around sports gambling. Since the 2018 Supreme Court decision overturning a federal law that prohibits sports betting outside of Nevada, 38 states have legalized gambling on sports. By the way, the first thing that happens when you legalize
Kara Swisher · 1:05:24
think what's gonna happen.
Scott Galloway · 1:05:25
When you legalize betting in a state is bankruptcies go up 20 to 30%. Wagers on sports hit a 160,000,000,000 last year, making it larger than the the lottery. One in four adults say they personally bet money on sports. And by the way, last year, one in two men just bet on the Super Bowl, and one in ten US adults have placed a bet using an online sports book. Despite the proliferation, Americans see betting as a bad thing. 43% of US adults agree that legal sports betting is a bad thing for society compared to just 34% who agreed three years ago. And this... It preys on... And I I I don't wanna infantilize young men, but they're more risk aggressive. And when you put dopa hit and betting in their pocket, it is in godlike technology. And basically every ad now when you turn on this TV to watch Premier League is £10 free when you sign up for £25. And folks, they make it impossible to win over the long term. If you're good at it, they basically don't let you bet anymore. And the newest trend in sports betting, which will probably have the greatest appreciation of market cap in private companies, is predictions markets.
Kara Swisher · 1:06:31
Right.
Scott Galloway · 1:06:31
And currently, the case is making its way through the courts to decide the future of sports betting on prediction markets. And prediction market weekly volume is about $2,000,000,000 with about a fifth of the coming from sports betting, the highest category volume. Anyways, the... But but on a bigger level, a meta level, it's... It it it essentially is more indicative of our economy, and that is we're we're... The economy now resembles Vegas, and that the house
Kara Swisher · 1:07:03
It's not a thing. It's just betting. It's like crypto. It's not a thing. It's not a making a thing. It's it's something else. What would you call it? It's an economic activity. It's just not productive.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:13
Well, the houses always win, and the machines have... Are are narrative. Platforms, hot tech IPOs, meme coins, dudes in hoodies pitching the next big thing. Your new And it... Its value... Our value in the economy now is not derived from character or hard work. It's from attention and speculation rather than goods and services. And then the traditional levers of power, business innovation, labor productivity, real estate growth, they all recede, and young people no longer aspire
Kara Swisher · 1:07:37
So empty calories is what you're saying.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:40
Yeah. And they don't as... They don't develop the means, they don't develop the will, and they don't develop the patience for enduring value. Why
Kara Swisher · 1:07:46
Scammy.
Scott Galloway · 1:07:47
Why actually figure out a way to get through all the regulations and build a building when you can go get it financed from Qatar by monetizing the White House? Or why even do that when you can just launch a meme coin? And then essentially, it means the winners get... You know, the winners, a small group of people who can own or control or monetize health care, monetize the government win, and the losers get stuck with the odds. So we have godlike technology and gambling that's the dope a hit. For majority of our time on this planet, we haven't access... Had access to free free, safe play and gaming. So when we have it, we we go crazy with it. Also, there's people telling us we can be rich, and we can be popular, and we can get women, and they hit you at exactly the wrong time when you're most vulnerable. And you're just seeing more and more people have their lives ruined by this shit. And then the broader loss is that our economy is becoming about synthetic risk taking, not enduring value, not the hard work, the labor to build a company, to invest in relationships. You get a quick hit from this kind of gambling or casino like economy. And I think it's creating... I think it's just creating the wrong values, and it's an erosion in the character of long term thinking. Yeah.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:10
No. We're a casino. But... Okay. So what's your what's your win?
Scott Galloway · 1:09:14
What is my win? You go first. I gotta think of one.
Kara Swisher · 1:09:17
You know, my... God. Have so many fails happening at this time... At this moment. But probably the Jamaica and and Haiti and Cuba with the with the hurricanes headed our way, we're gonna have a lot more hurricanes. And it sounds like it's gonna... Category five is gonna hit this place, so my thoughts are with the people there. I... It seems very dire what's happening there. And, of course, we've cut back on all kinds of really import... Speaking of important things we do monitor. This is... I just feel a sense of unease for them and also our own country, which will get hit by all kinds of weather mishaps that are highly avoidable in terms of saving lives. You can't... You know, we certainly have climate change issues that are making this worse, but at the same time, we should be able to protect and save people. So I just worry for those right now. It's happening right now, actually. At this... My other real fail... They're both real fails, but this is... Is is all this, which you're talking about, these empty calories, these, you know, pathways to corruption that are everywhere. You saw the media do it a bunch of times this week, whether it was Comcast putting money into the ballroom. I I must have really been difficult for Brian Roberts, but he did it because he's on the outs with Trump, so give him some money for the stupid ballroom. And and when I think about that, the way it could have been done... Look. I'm not I'm not... Look. The White House is not that attractive a thing of our many things. I think the main part is, But the East Wing was... Is not necessarily a winner, but the way to have redone it could have been so fantastic and bipartisan. And there could have been a contest. It could have been everyone involved. It could have been interesting the way we... You know, with the with the with the people who who are both pearl clutching and then attacking the pearl clutchers. I don't think they're pearl clutchers. I think they really are sorry that happened that way. Is is... It could have been done in such a great way. Like, let's let's update the White House. Let's do something. At a contest. You could have kids involved. You could have done a whole thing that would have united us versus this bullshit, which is he just does what he wants, and then the people get upset about him doing what he want, and it goes back and forth. It was such a missed opportunity. And, you know, it feels like that all over the place. Whoever gets to do what they wanna do is not American. It just feels very un American, a lot of these things. And then a win, you know, speaking of Brian Roberts, Taylor Sheridan, who's a really important producer... There's always a producer of the moment. He happens to be that. He's behind Yellowstone and Landman. He has signed a deal to join NBC Universal. It's not for a few years, but when his Paramount deal is up, it's not good for Ellison and Paramount, but it doesn't matter because Ellison is essentially a nepo baby, son of Larry Ellison. So he'll get his TikTok this week, or he'll get his deal to buy Warner, and and everyone will fall into line. But I thought that was an interesting situation for Taylor. I I thought it was a win for NBC. But who knows? Who knows how much more Sheridan will keep, you know, having the hits, but still an interesting shift.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:25
But I think if we were... Or what I wanna... What I'm gonna start doing is it's no longer... What are they calling it? I mean, I know it's called the East Wing. It's supposed to be called the Ballroom now or the Grand Ballroom.
Kara Swisher · 1:12:33
I'm not calling it that, but go ahead. Whatever.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:35
Well, anyways
Kara Swisher · 1:12:35
It's just the ballroom.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:36
From from this point forward, we should we should call it what it is. And this is the Epstein bedroom.
Speaker · 1:12:42
Mhmm.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:42
There's the Lincoln bedroom. This is the Epstein bedroom. Because all this is is another attempt to distract us from Jeffrey Epstein and the release of the Epstein files. So... And also, quite frankly
Kara Swisher · 1:12:52
Mike Johnson won't seat that that representative.
Scott Galloway · 1:12:55
But the bottom line is, it really isn't... I... Quite frankly, I don't think this is that big a deal. Obama had renovations. Okay. I don't like the way he's going about
Kara Swisher · 1:13:01
it. Is massive. This is different than anything.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:05
I I do not think this is that meaningful. I really don't.
Kara Swisher · 1:13:08
I don't, but the way he did... I think it's more like this wasn't... Like, this is what I'm saying. The guy's calling him to call off the San Francisco thing. Let's just tear it down without consultation, not even... Like, that is un American. It is it is just not, I guess, maybe it is American. I don't know.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:24
Anyways, the win... So the win is... And just a reminder, there is... For all this performative masculinity around taking a trillion dollar a year expenditure and having missile strikes, which may be quite frankly extraditional murder at this point, which is just so performative, in my opinion, stupid. There is a real war taking place with a real lethal force in Ukraine. And according to... I think it's Pateri Orpo, Finland's prime minister, Ukrainian forces do appear to have halted major Russian advances on some fronts.
Kara Swisher · 1:13:58
With help by Europe.
Scott Galloway · 1:13:59
Yes. That's right. And Ukraine's capacity striking its targets inside Russia has improved. I do hope we provide them with the long range missiles and the Tomahawk, which is an incredible weapon to target their refining capabilities. An opinion piece in The Guardian reports that Ukrainian's mood in Kyiv is more confident now than a year ago, though the situation is still grave. There's much... It still feels like the mood is upbeat. There's greater resolve. Discussions are advancing around using frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine's reconstruction and defense, which is on its own a sign of growing international alignment. So, anyways, my my win and reminder is is the the real fight here, the real lethality that is proving, you know, is upholding our freedom and our democracy is taking place. It's not off the shores of Venezuela. It's in Ukraine right now, where the Ukrainian army does continue to punch well above their weight class. So, anyway, that's my win.
Kara Swisher · 1:14:54
That's a good one. Because, you know, that's... Speaking of economic value, think about the the windfalls that's gonna happen there as we rebuild that very vibrant and innovative culture. Right? This is like an opportune... Again, an opportunity for The United States to build real things versus this nonsense. Like, you know, all the different people that have to suck up to Trump, it's grotesque to watch them one after the next, you know, sucking up to him. But there's no economic value there. It's just a it's just a grift. It's just one long grift. And that's not how you make things. Right? You get to get ahead because you fluff a billionaire. Like, stop it. Like, it's just... It it has no it has no economic value. And our... Whether you like us being involved in other countries or not, the best thing would be to have a a a peaceful Ukraine that will then innovate and create a better... I don't know. It just seems like it's not... None of this is economic. It's just drift, and so it's very disappointing. I'll tell you that. Anyway, we wanna hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com/pivot to submit a question for the show, or call 85551 And elsewhere in the Kara and Scott universe, this week on on with Kara Swisher, which Scott Galloway is gonna be on soon for his new book, I spoke with writer, director, and producer Judd Apatow. Let's listen to a clip.
Guest · 1:16:13
There are definitely ways that technology can help people. If you if you can go on a computer and make it look like deep space and it doesn't cost $3,000,000, it costs $40, well, clearly, in some ways, that will help people. It will decimate the people that made space, but it seems like we're not gonna be able to stop that when it gets cheaper. But the writing, and the directing will always wind up generic because it's scraped, and it's just copying other things.
Kara Swisher · 1:16:41
Oh, we'll see about that, Chuck. But he's really... I mean, that guy has got a history of really amazing work in comedy. Anyway, very... He he actually... You know, he's just really sharp about what's happening. I thought it was a great talk.
Scott Galloway · 1:16:54
Yeah. Smart guy. Impressive guy.
Kara Swisher · 1:16:56
He really is. But you're gonna be even more impressive.
Scott Galloway · 1:17:00
Oh, yeah. Go on.
Kara Swisher · 1:17:00
Be good. I'm gonna let you talk and talk and talk, so you'll have a good time. Reminder, which I always do here, we're gonna go on tour. We'll be going to Toronto, Boston, New York, DC, Chicago, San Francisco, and LA. Scott and I are gonna be together so much. We're sold out in Toronto and San Francisco, the other cities are very close. But visit pivottour.com, especially UChicago. We've got extra large venue there. Come and see us. We also got some surprises there. Some good big names coming. Okay. That's the show. Thanks for listening to Pivot, and make sure to like and subscribe to our YouTube channel. We'll be back on Friday. Scott, read us out.
Scott Galloway · 1:17:36
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